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    Job well done Eddie. Pay attention to your loaded CG. These planes tend to be nose heavy, which is why Cessna places the battery in the baggage compartment. Overall performance is much better with the CG more towards the rear than the front.
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    I'm looking forward to your first flight pirep. I'm betting you'll have a big smile. Have fun!
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    Depending on how the weighing goes, I will put ballast in the rear if necessary. I ditched some weight by deleting the vacuum but the 88 inch prop weighs a bit more. I am betting I shed 60 lbs off the last W&B.

    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    Job well done Eddie. Pay attention to your loaded CG. These planes tend to be nose heavy, which is why Cessna places the battery in the baggage compartment. Overall performance is much better with the CG more towards the rear than the front.
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    The firewall mounted Odyssey saves an easy 15# and provides much better battery performance. You shouldn’t have any issue with CG. When I did it my plane had a 470 and an 88” 2 blade. I couldn’t tell any difference. Now it has an 86” 3 blade and it’s still easily within the envelope. You might enjoy how it flies with weight in the back but it shouldn’t be necessary.
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    Nose heavy empty CG is great, given the load hauling mission these birds typically fulfill. Rearward ballast? Great excuse to start putting together your survival bag w/backcountry gear. With spare water, should weigh in around 30-40 lbs if requisite axe, etc goes in.
    Looking like you've put together a really nice 180, Eddie. Enjoy!

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    Depending on how the weighing goes, I will put ballast in the rear if necessary. I ditched some weight by deleting the vacuum but the 88 inch prop weighs a bit more. I am betting I shed 60 lbs off the last W&B.
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    Weighed the 180 today. Don't have the final CG calc yet but the weight went from 1850 to 1666!! Very little interior and two seats. It pulls to the left badly during taxi. Measured the toe and it is way off. Have to order shims from Grove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Weighed the 180 today. Don't have the final CG calc yet but the weight went from 1850 to 1666!! Very little interior and two seats. It pulls to the left badly during taxi. Measured the toe and it is way off. Have to order shims from Grove.
    That’s quite the weight loss. Awesome! It should fly great.


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    What did you remove that accounts for 184#?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    What did you remove that accounts for 184#?
    Exwife?
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    Most of the interior
    The bench seat
    About 40 lbs of abandoned wire, coax, and antennas
    Vac Pump
    Smaller Battery
    Very heavy avionics, autopilot, and radios
    About 20 lbs of dirt
    Dead skunk

    Who knows how accurate that 1850 was.



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    The 1850 was probably without dirt and wire. Probably actually removed 200 lbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    It pulls to the left badly during taxi. Measured the toe and it is way off. Have to order shims from Grove.
    What did you do to it that caused this error? Did someone have the gear apart losing the shims along the way?
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    I completely removed the gear and the whole sheebang. New brakes and wheels from ABI. I put it back together without shims for two reasons. They were in bad shape and I didn't label them well when I removed them. I knew that I would have to align the gear. I was not surprised that it did not track. New Grove shims on order.

    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    What did you do to it that caused this error? Did someone have the gear apart losing the shims along the way?
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    Eddie,

    Get it shimmed right and you'll never look back and you'll never doubt that landing gear. My opinion: If you change a LOT of stuff, you really need to put the gear on grease plates and rig it properly.

    Once it's done, the gear will be honest and you'll know what to expect. I think too many folks make major changes and expect to just go ahead with the gear and shims they had before.

    Good time to re-rig the gear. PITA, and well worth every minute it takes to get it right.

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    Mike is absolutely right as usual, do the work to make it track perfectly, it will pay big dividends. Don’t ask how I know this.
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    How light can a 185B with the simple fuel system be got down to? Would it beat Mr Foy’s excellent result?


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    Put another way Mr Foy’s aircraft is around 106 Lbs above the advertised bare bones 180H which is probably about as close to bare bones you might get


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    IMHO 1,666 is extremely light for a later model 180.
    Good job Eddie!
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    CG came out at 34.92! Still working on gear toe in. Flight in a week or so.
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    Ready to slip the surlies! Taxies straight as an arrow. First flight Tuesday!

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    That is LIGHT!! Great job!!

    Nice that your friends helped you out with air fresheners, a dead skunk is just a great way to move CG back for landing


    Amazing how fast weight adds up, especially when pulling wire that had been disconnected years ago.
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!
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    Maiden voyage complete. Sorry Pierce but I made 5 decent landings and no unplanned 180s. Airplane flies nice and straight.
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    Video proof? Did you take someone with or did you cowboy it? Congrats, I can picture the big grin on your face.
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    ALone and unafraid!

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    Video proof? Did you take someone with or did you cowboy it? Congrats, I can picture the big grin on your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Maiden voyage complete. Sorry Pierce but I made 5 decent landings and no unplanned 180s. Airplane flies nice and straight.
    Did you go actually around the pattern or just do 5 stop and goes on that little bitty 6,300' grass runway?
    Remember, These are the Good old Days!
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    2.1 Stall series and the whole smear. G5 shows 45 indicated when it mushes and nose drops. Pretty benign. Actually three flights for a total of 2.1

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    Did you go actually around the pattern or just do 5 stop and goes on that little bitty 6,300' grass runway?
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    Does that mean we will be able to see your SkyStud at SnF?
    Ill be there camping in Vintage from Sunday to Friday. Hope to see you.
    Anyone else going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FdxLou View Post
    Eddie
    Does that mean we will be able to see your SkyStud at SnF?
    Ill be there camping in Vintage from Sunday to Friday. Hope to see you.
    Anyone else going?
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    Yep.
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    Thanks SP. Missed it.
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    Just when I thought I was out of the woods. I now have a weeping left tank. My IA suggested Floats and Fuel Cells. Theirs are $950 each.

    Any other suggestions for bladders. Mine has the 32.5 gallons/ 30 useable ones.
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    Those are the ones that I used recently. Mine are the long range tanks and it took me 10 hours labor each. I hope you have long arms.
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    Video proof? Did you take someone with or did you cowboy it? Congrats, I can picture the big grin on your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    Those are the ones that I used recently. Mine are the long range tanks and it took me 10 hours labor each. I hope you have long arms.
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    Looks like two new bladders, sending units from McFarlane, and new quick drains. I am spending my ungrateful children's inheritance. Need to have it back together for Gastons. Sun N Fun is out.

    What tape is used on the inside.
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    Any good supplier will include all of the hardware, gaskets, and one roll of tape per bladder that they send you.


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    Removed both bladders this morning. One was from 86 and the other from 91. It wasn't too bad but both front screens have seen better days. $250 each from Burl.
    Now the real fun begins. Removing old tape and retapeing. Then getting all the snaps snapped. I do have long arms.

    Pray for me. I have a better understanding of why mechanics hate this job.
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    If the old tape is still in good condition there is no need to redo it.
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    That is the pray for me part. I haven't inspected the tape yet.

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    If the old tape is still in good condition there is no need to redo it.
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    I'm Back in a Spam Can!!

    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    If the old tape is still in good condition there is no need to redo it.
    Will it hold up for another 30+ years?
    When I was in A&P school I worked after school at an FBO. My first job was bladders on an early 210. Owner of the shop said if you do this job of re taping and installing the bladders , and don’t quit, you’ll probably make it.
    Last time I did one they sent a box of bandaids with there logo on it.


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