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    IA question about deleting annual information

    This is not a Super Cub question but you are the best informed group around. A friend has a 1929 Fleet; it was part of a flying museum. The deal with the museum was they can use and fly the Fleet, in exchange they maintain the aircraft. As part of the deal, they did the annual last year on the aircraft. The relationship and tax issues changed, so they dissolved the relationship. nothing was said when the museum owner turned over the log books to the owner of the Fleet about the maintenance or the annual. Looking over the log book, my friend finds out the museum owner took white out and covered up the annual entry in the log book and inked over the IA's signature. Some info is still visible through the white out and ink. Needless to say, this is a mess. What recourse does he have? I would think that altering a log book from an aircraft you do not own is not a good idea. what can the owner do in this case?
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    Maybe part 43.12 ? This prohibits alterations for fraudulent purposes. I don't know about museums, but I had it beat into my head that one NEVER altered an entry. For any reason. Period. If something was recorded incorrectly, a further entry was made (corrective entry) that explained what was wrong and what the new information was.

    Kind of sounds like some one was trying to 'undo' an annual. The first thing I would do is contact the IA and find out his side of the story. He may wish to pursue his own course of action.

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    I did an annual on a neighbor's plane one year and a couple days after signing it off, he pulled a mag and had it all apart when I came by. I politely asked for the logs and when he handed them to me I cut the annual page out and put it in my pocket. He was mad and called the feds who called me and told me I'd done the proper thing.
    This sounds more like just a grudge match and if the museum owner isn't the IA, he's got no right to do that in my opinion. It'd be interesting to hear the other sides to this!
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    Having dealt with both parties I will refrain.
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    Can't an owner take a mag apart if reassembly and installation are supervised? Not guessing about your customer's intent, just an honest question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Misch View Post
    Can't an owner take a mag apart if reassembly and installation are supervised? Not guessing about your customer's intent, just an honest question.
    has to be arraigned in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    has to be arraigned in advance
    Thanks Mike. Makes sense, except wouldn't it just be in advance of assembly and installation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Misch View Post
    Thanks Mike. Makes sense, except wouldn't it just be in advance of assembly and installation?
    (d) A person working under the supervision of a holder of a mechanic or repairman certificate may perform the maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations that his supervisor is authorized to perform, if the supervisor personally observes the work being done to the extent necessary to ensure that it is being done properly and if the supervisor is readily available, in person, for consultation. However, this paragraph does not authorize the performance of any inspection required by Part 91 or Part 125 of this chapter or any inspection performed after a major repair or alteration.

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    Why did he take the mag apart?

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    I think I would start with having him arrested for vandalism to establish the case. Also I would see a real lawyer first, even though myself and others here are qualified to give very fine advise. Sorry but this is getting into tricky legal stuff.
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    Just thought about this, there are hard feeling here, wouldn't you want a real through annual done on it anyway. If someone is will to go to this extent what else would they do? Just annual it and get on with flying it safely. Good luck.

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    I was taught you NEVER alter or remove anything... you might X out an entry and then explain why, and sign your name to that explanation ... but never remove a page or such...

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    I am with Mike and Wire. A mechanic is simply obligated by law to make a logbook entry when he exercises the privilege of his license. Once one has made such an entry it would be a federal offense to remove it - everybody knows it is a federal offense to mess with someone else's aircraft, and the logs are a part of that aircraft.

    An annual is a snapshot. It says the aircraft is airworthy and conforms right now, and not fifteen minutes in the future. Source: Bill O'Brien. A mechanic entry is saying that whatever was worked on is good to go, so the mechanic is responsible in the future - not so the IA. If the owner removes a mag after you sign, the best thing you can do is record that fact in your records. If you are standing there, do not commit a crime by tearing logbook pages out. Get him to sign and date your record. That takes you off the hook. Even if he doesn't sign, contemporaneous records are as good as it gets for this kind of stuff.

    All that is opinion, of course, but they make us study this stuff.

    This is true for instructors too. If you give a class and some student brings you a logbook, you are required to sign. Boy, did we piss off a local ground school operation with this one. They refused, until we showed them the reg.

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    If I were the Fleet owner I would take the log book to the FSDO and let them handle it.

    Long long ago a friend bought a newly recovered Taylorcraft Model 15 with a "fresh" annual. I went to fly it home from the obviously poorly operated airport. We had to put gas in it as there was none. One fuel tank leaked so we disconnected the fuel line and plugged the fitting to prevent cross feeding from the good tank. Then while taxing to the runway the brakes stopped working. SO since the seller/airport owner was an @#$%^&() I took off and flew it home where it went directly into the shop. You wouldn't believe the number of defects which were found. Mr FAA was called. He made a visit. The IA who "pencil whipped" the annual lost his ticket. (This particular IA, it was learned had been on the FAA's watch list in a different FSDO region than mine). They were pleased to finally catch him.

    In my opinion the IA who "maintained" that Fleet didn't look at anything other than the log so that the museum could fly the plane without doing any maintenance at all. He was covering up the fact by obliterating the log entry.
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    Read 43.12(3). You might also read 3.5. Both talk about fraudulent entries, but 43.12 also cover altering entries.

    As stated earlier, if it were my airplane, I think I’d want to do another annual.


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    I wrote a big long post but decided I would only offend both parties. I can imagine that both parties let their emotions get the best of them and neither want to get the FAA involved since they both could have issues. I would never white out or remove a logbook entry but have found other ways to get even without doing anything that will get me into trouble. Unfortunatley I am not good at forgiving and forgetting so I would not work with either party.
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    Thanks for the comments guys. The owner is going to talk to the IA first and let him know he will be heading to the the FSDO if the log book is not corrected. The rub is this was done without the knowledge of the owner. The information regarding the annual can be read through the white out with a bright light it turns out so it will be interesting to see what the FAA has to say about the issue tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kase View Post
    Why did he take the mag apart?
    Said he wanted to see if he could figure out how it worked.
    Sounds like I was wrong in doing what I did, but my PMI sure backed me. As he said, your name, your entry, your option to retract. That was in the late 80's early 90's... I'd still do the same thing today. Problem with your idea that an "annual is only a snapshot" is that it doesn't quite work that way. I've spent a day in court, proving innocence. But, that's just my experience.
    I agree with Marty, it'll be interesting to see what the feds say tomorrow on this deal. I can't imagine using white out on a log book entry.
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    You lose the option to retract when you return the logs to the owner. The only way to retract is as outlined above by Mike and Wire - draw a line through it, state "entered in error" and sign and date it. Once you return the logs, you cannot touch them without the owner's permission.
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    Medical field is the same way. You can line through anything and put you name at the end. That way if a question arises they know who to talk to. I do a lot of my own work HOWEVER!! I talk to my IA beforehand and he usually says pull it over to his hanger so he has supervision or he comes by and looks at my work. I prefer to do it at his hanger so I can steal all the small parts I do not have!!! I am sure if I had pulled my mags without my IA approval there would be hell to pay one way or another!! It is a old guy thing, we take responsibility for things when we put our name down!!! I gave out a lot of sound advice that was never followed, it took years to get my hide thick enough to understand that people will do what they want to do no matter what I said!!! I would still give sound medical advice, write it down, and took care of them when they did not follow my advice. Human nature is a sometimes perplexing thing.
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    I was buying a plane with a 'fresh annual'. As I was discussing the annual with the IA as we were getting ready to fuel the plane and push it out, I asked the IA about the carb and AD's to be sure it was all signed off and correct. .

    An hour later the guy I was buying the plane from told me the IA tore the annual sign off out of the log book and left.

    Any guesses as to the compliance of the carb?
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    Maybe IAs need to take a course in Professional Responsibility. The proper thing there is "geez, I am glad you mentioned that! I will take care of it and sign that off before the sale."

    The lesson here is never, ever leave your logs with the mechanic. When you give him/her the check, the logs must be in your hands. Easier than suing them for trespass. Or conversion - logbooks being held hostage is common. When a dispute arises, a mechanics lien is a better answer.

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    I think back to the '70s when I was starting out in aviation, working under supervision. A mechanic from another field comes in and lines up a row of logbooks along a bench. This guy did allot of Stinson 108 rebuilds as well as general work. I wandered past that bench to fetch something and noticed $20s in the pages, good money 40 some years ago.
    I came to form a vision of who was training me.
    Not long after a Cessna fresh out of Annual from the other field went into the trees on takeoff. Had fresh signature from our field in it's books. Fuel valve was sticky and only partially open.
    The mechanic I was working for suddenly moved on to an airport up in Maine, no clue if he had other legal issues.
    I put the 2&2 together early in my career and new better than to play that game. I guess there are those that still feel it necessary to make money fudging entry's or signatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob turner View Post
    .....The lesson here is never, ever leave your logs with the mechanic. When you give him/her the check, the logs must be in your hands. Easier than suing them for trespass. Or conversion - logbooks being held hostage is common. When a dispute arises, a mechanics lien is a better answer.
    I prefer to keep my logbooks in my possession.
    Mechanic gets them during annual to check AD compliance, etc.
    Gets them again to do inspection or repair sign-offs, after which he gets paid.
    Usually in cash.
    A lot of mechanics don't like doing paperwork, and tend to put it off-
    to me , it seems like just part of the job.
    In any event, a handful of money is often pretty good incentive to get it done.

    I've witnessed a few incidents where logbooks were lost--
    usually just misplaced, or mistakenly put in with the wrong customer's paperwork.
    But I did hear about one situation where logbooks were stolen as retaliation in a personal feud.
    Another where the mechanic died and his customers played hell getting their logbooks from his heirs--
    "you're not taking dad's stuff!".
    I've also seen where logbooks etc were left laying around, in a high traffic area with lots of people coming and going.
    Pretty easy for them to disappear and nobody knows a thing about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    The log books leave there hands when they drop the airplane off and get put in a fire proof gun safe until the airplane leaves. Seems like the best place for me. I don't like keeping them once the airplane leaves.
    I do the same. If you don't trust me with your logbooks why would you trust me with your airplane. There are a lot of instances where I go back and research an issue in the logs to see if something has been worked on before. I also spend quite a bit of time in the logs on the first annual inspection. I can guarantee you don't want to stand behind me while I do the first AD research, you might hear words that you don't want to hear.
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    Gotta love the term "PCW Previously Complied With".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Gotta love the term "PCW Previously Complied With".
    only counts if it list when, so you can verify signoff in logs/list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    only counts if it list when, so you can verify signoff in logs/list.
    To many people use that as a catch all. One of my pet peeves.
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    Many years ago, I left my airplane's logbooks with my mechanic.....including between annuals. Airplane went from wheels to skis, to wheels, to floats, so in and out a lot.....convenient. At one point, I got the books, and when I went through them, the first logbook from 1952 was missing. It had a lot of signatures that were really cool in it.

    I seriously doubt if any skulduggery was involved, and I blame only myself for being lazy, and not taking care of the books myself.

    On the subject of AD compliance, I looked at an airplane whose Annual inspection entries all said "all ADs complied with". But the logs didn't include an AD applicability list. Went through the logs previous, and looked for a couple ADs that I know about that are required.....and no logbook entry that specifically verified that those ADs were complied with.....just "all ADs complied with" on every annual. Two fairly expensive ADs with no specific notation of compliance......no thanks.

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    per 91.417 you need to have the following for each AD -
    The current status of applicable airworthiness directives (AD) and safety directives including, for each, the method of compliance, the AD or safety directive number and revision date. If the AD or safety directive involves recurring action, the time and date when the next action is required. And from 43.9 the mechanic is required to provide -
    (1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of work performed.
    (2) The date of completion of the work performed.
    (3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
    (4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work performed.

    So, if there is no AD listing showing the 91.417 requirements, and no log entry showing the 43.9 requirements, it never happened! As an IA, when you sign an annual you are responsible for everything that happened to that airplane since day 1. If you can't find documentation to prove an AD was complied with, then comply with the AD again!.

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    I've done " tune ups" many times following an annual inspection. My AI was a good guy but wasn't much of a mag timer. The AI that tore into my logbook after the annual would have been on his ass, if he was lucky. He should have just suggested the mag work be checked and signed off before flying the plane.

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    Me too. A Super Cub has enough ADs against it that you need a list, referring you to a log entry. Normally, Cubs do not come that way, and it can take 5-6 hours just to figure it out. Then, of course, there is the weight and balance and equipment list - these always take a couple more hours.

    Best to make a careful list, and put it in back of your current airframe log, in ink, with five or six spaces for new ADs. They seem to do a new wing strut AD every year, and that should be addressed and listed.

    I also list pertinent 337s and mods in the back of each new log. I do not list the "on floats/on gear" 337s, or earlier covering (except it is important in some cases to retain, say, Poly Fiber even though the latest was Stewarts).

    Once that is done, an annual shouldn't take more than a day, unless that exhaust AD needs to be done.

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    I think an AD print-out, from "AD Log" or similar software, is pretty nice.
    Separated by one-time ADs and recurrent ADs.
    One-timers marked as "N/A by serial number", "PCW by inspection see logbook entry dated 4/1/99", or whatever.
    Then the recurrent ones can be addressed and signed off every year.
    I think there's only three recurrents on my C180:
    fuel bladders/caps, seat rails/claws/pins, and mag switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I think an AD print-out, from "AD Log" or similar software, is pretty nice.
    Yep, I bet there are 30 plus ADs on airframe, engine, prop and accessories that should have some sort of compliance documented and if you have that system it is very easy to research. Problem is not many are that good and takes a lot of time to dig through the history to verify compliance. My favorite is the nose gear fork on a friend's 172 from 1971 that had had PCW written in the logs every year until I did the pre-purchase back in 2006. Never could find a log book entry documenting anything besides PCW on that AD. When I researched the AD and service information I found the effected fork still installed on the aircraft. Had a call yesterday on a J3 I use to maintain. New mechanic has an issue with the A65-A75 conversion an stamping of the data tag and overhaul entry with no parts numbers and the prop is marked 71" but the TCDS on the 75 hp engine limits the prop to 70". Guess I missed the prop, still researching the engine. If you think we are picky, grumpy bastards put yourself in our shoes and sit across the table from the lawyers a few times and you might have a different appreciation for what why we are how we are.
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    The funny thing about this, the records required by 91.417 are the OWNERS responsibility. If he is too cheap to pay the IA to do it, he is free to do it himself. True also of W&B and equipment list. They don’t want to do it themselves, but they don’t want to pay the IA the 10 to 15 hours to research it and document it. Then come next year, they forget to bring it and you got to do it all over again.


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    After reading this thread I've decided to make copies of my log books. I plan from this point forward to only leave my copied log books with my mechanic. Does anyone see any problems with this? If ink signatures are required (my mechanic has been making his inputs via sticker - I just slap it on a page in my log book - works nice) I'll be present for the signing of the log books. I'd be absolutely irate if one of my books got lost or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubDriver218 View Post
    After reading this thread I've decided to make copies of my log books. I plan from this point forward to only leave my copied log books with my mechanic. Does anyone see any problems with this? If ink signatures are required (my mechanic has been making his inputs via sticker - I just slap it on a page in my log book - works nice) I'll be present for the signing of the log books. I'd be absolutely irate if one of my books got lost or something.
    Just me, but if the logs get mussed, it can cost some money. If I don' trust the guy with my logs that I expect to do quality work on my plane that will kill me, I just think I shall find another guy to work on the plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    If you think we are picky, grumpy bastards put yourself in our shoes and sit across the table from the lawyers a few times and you might have a different appreciation for what why we are how we are.
    If there is a characteristic that I really value in a mechanic, it's being picky.....picky in the maintenance of my airplane, and picky in getting the paperwork right. And, if I had to put up with all this, I'd be grumpy too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubDriver218 View Post
    After reading this thread I've decided to make copies of my log books. I plan from this point forward to only leave my copied log books with my mechanic. Does anyone see any problems with this? If ink signatures are required (my mechanic has been making his inputs via sticker - I just slap it on a page in my log book - works nice) I'll be present for the signing of the log books. I'd be absolutely irate if one of my books got lost or something.
    I take a picture each year and have a folder just for these pics. If the logs get lost I've got a good backup that's simple to keep up-to-date.
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