Dave et al,
My apologies for the thread drift... I do think the slat conversation is relevant, as many slat / slot drivers truly believe their planes are invincible. Which IMNSHO is why this thread exists. The driver in the video clearly fit that bill.
It is off topic Rob, but have you given thought to a very aft empty weight CG and a LIFTING horizontal stab?
Yes, and thank you for reminding me to revisit this. Someone once started a thread exploring the possibility of adding a canard to a cub. In my mind, your proposition is an easier (on a cub) and more elegant solution to achieve essentially the same effect.
I scrapped the idea, because the failure mode scared the begeezuss out of me, although I admittedly have no education or experience to base that fear on other than being in an airplane (C180) with a runaway trim, an ag plane with an inadvertent dump, and another agplane with the stick pinned in a steep climbing left turn.. In all cases the runaway climb gave me pause (to say the least). At the end of the day, failure is failure I guess, and maybe up or down is irrelevant? But even a true Canard retains a 'down flying' tail...Thoughts?
Hi Pete,
Yes! long live long wings
I love the free ride long wings (increased aspect ratio) offer... I use them on everything I fly. At the end of the day, since I am of the opinion that cubs of this caliber are flying on the prop wash, it probably isn't a stretch to imagine that we could stretch either wing (main or tail) to the moon, and we soon reach the point of diminishing returns. On planes of this caliber the tail needs more than extra chord or aspect ratio. Extra chord has been done, even exists via STC... it works great! But you need more than single digit airspeeds to reap any benefit.... Beyond that there has even been airfoil improvements, but alas they still don't hold a candle to how much improvement has been done to the wing of these cubs... I mean really? We fix the angles, add slats or slots, VG's, clean everything up and then what? throw the tail a bone and give it 3 inches of chord? Ha.... not enough.... Maybe tail rotor ? Thanks Mike! I never would have thought of that! It sounds very doable!
Back at Dave, Ak49,
and Pete,
Tail... yes, being able to stall the wing of these uber cubs would be great, but that isn't even half of the problem. What we really need is a
rudder that will work at single digit speeds. Because regardless of where this poor guys feet where when they should have been moving, I am of the belief that even with his rudder pinned to the stops, he was not going to salvage that spin. He
was for all intents and purposes, a passenger once she broke. The solutions offered for the elevator are good (although I don't believe enough) but what about the rudder? because in the end, that's going to be the deal breaker. As I pointed out we can currently rotate at almost no ground speed and fly, why doesn't anyone do it in competition? because at that point they have no control over p factor, torque, or even a little gust.
That, is where the next big improvement needs to be.
Stu,
Amen brother, so far I agree with
everything you've said in this thread, which is is why a PIC (politically
incorrect) person like me wouldn't touch the OP with a ten foot pole.... but now I guess I'll bite... I could write a small novel on exactly why the person in question does
NOT appear to be a good stick, and almost
none of it would be about rudder control... but that would not be very unpopular ;-) and at the end of the day, would an entire opinion formed on a 20 second snippet of someones performance under duress really be cool? I mean, not that I have ever made a mistake or anything..... Ha!
I assure you I can teach an orangutang pretty much all it needs to know about flying an airplane as slow as it will go... Slow flight is not IMHO any measure of how good a pilot anyone is. What is going to happen when it goes too slow, how and if it is even possible to fix that at low altitudes, what the rest of the day entails if everything goes sideways, and what those consequences are going to do to everyone around you that day, and the choices you make regarding these facets, are far more a measure of how good a stick someone really is to me, than how slow their airplane is traveling at any given moment.
Anyone can slow it down to the point of breaking....
Anyone... even an orangutang :-(
Slow flight contest at 100' AGL?.... really? who was dumber on that one? the participating pilots or the one who dreamt up the idea
knowing full well that
someone was going to wreck... This was a foreseeable albeit unfortunate event. I would have bet my entire years earning that someone would have wrecked on that day...
I love nascar, and almost every race someone
is going to wreck, we
know it,
they (drivers) know it, and a tremendous amount of thought and planning goes into that aspect of the race. I wonder how many participants at this display of "skill and talent"
planned on wrecking?... oh yeah... none, instead we went the pity party route when things went sour... bummer... all who know me,
know that I would be the first to help you pull wings and move a plane, first to drink a few while we pass the needle stitching ribs, or hold the new wings up while we re rig and reinstall... but Go Fund Me? Really? Man, if you can't own up to it, you shouldn't be doin it.... Let that one go for the grieving widow or mom who has no idea how to pay for the burial of her untimely loss, or for the mom and pops outfit, whose home and business burned to the ground... If this gentleman is anything like me, (and I suspect he is) he built this cub on his own just fine, and he will rebuild it on his own equally as fine.
Take care, Rob