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    I would call them up Scott
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    Steve, that is the basses of this, I have called them, talked to them face to face, sign up on there waiting list (sadly a few times) I have Bought 3 props, But with all good things. "Time passes, Things change" with any luck there moving forword with this process, and I for one wish them wild success. Again! My one real, and real point here is (that many can't seem to grasp) is years of stated and implied inaccurate information. period !!!....Scott

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    Like I said, your experience and my experience are 180 degrees from each other. Sorry for your frustration. I will buy you a beer next time I am up your way.
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    Scott I don't understand why you would be mad at them for the optimistic timeline as I'm sure they are going as fast as they can. You already told us that you have got one on your cub in the 1st post and even posted a picture in your 180 ad of your cub with a catto prop on it so why would certification matter you've already got it approved.

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    Your assuming I'm mad, I'm far from that, I wish them all the success In world, but years of inaccurate information is ridiculous. I'll ask you and all others wishing to opine. "Why would you as a company have soon to be coming sign up list, at your AK airmans show sales table", years after year. After year. I'm only asking, is this a smart business practices? After many years of this seems a cruel joke on us all. My point here is why all the inaccurate information. Nothing more, simple question. Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    your assuming i'm mad, i'm far from that, i wish them all the success in world, but years of inaccurate information is ridiculous. I'll ask you and all others wishing to opine. "why would you as a company have soon to be coming sign up list, at your ak airmans show sales table", years after year. After year. I'm only asking, is this a smart business practices? After many years of this seems a cruel joke on us all. My point here is why all the inaccurate information. Nothing more, simple question. Scott
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    Steve, I have met you before, I look forward to a few beers and great flying story's, I have a guess log cabin on the lake out here, I let folks use free of charge for flying in, stranded ect....Your welcome to my cabin, cold beer and a warm camp fire any day....Scott
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    Scott, I wasn't there is 2017 but that is when they decided to pursue the approval. Prior to that all i ever saw was a questionnaire to sign if you were interested in a certified prop. They were seeing if there was enough interest not asking you to sign up on a waiting list. The waiting list I have heard about at Stoddards and at Catto if you call are less than one year old. We understand that you have been seeing a waiting list for many years, point taken. Sorry I haven't seen it. Now we know.

    I remember when Lars said his fabric would be approved in 6 months, B&C has been trying to get their alternator with front oil cooler mounts approved for 2 years and the stories go on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    Steve, I have met you before, I look forward to a few beers and great flying story's, I have a guess log cabin on the lake out here, I let folks use free of charge for flying in, stranded ect....Your welcome to my cabin, cold beer and a warm camp fire any day....Scott
    I had to give up the beer many years ago but will take you up on the cabin and camp fire and flying stories for sure.
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    Pa22 /20, your faa is a cop out, did the faa have sign up list at shows, start the one at staddards, tell you soon, next fall, next spring, maybe never. Did they force Catto to to do any of that? I think not....the only thing wrong here is inaccurate, implied or other wise information from Catto. Now did the faa change, delay, screw over Catto....oh he'll yes....I'm sure. But the flow of information, from Catto was terrible....Scott

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    Steve, the real question at hand is not the time, it's the flow of good and accurate information, that's not on the faa, the faa can make it harder, longer, it's on the company pursuing there product to convey the information and progress, if any. I'm not accusing Catto of any thing shady or underhanded. Simply why the poor handling of what there persuading....Scott

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    Avation is a hard place to make a living and run a business, (I know if it was my only source of income I'd be a lot thinner) but when you find a niche market like catto, lycon, Javron growing pain can hurt because you don't want to invest all of your capital or tool up fast because you know what avation is like generally and will the boom keep going? That's a good way to go bust. But what do all these fine avation companies have in common from time to time besides high quality products, slow production and then you throw the FAA/government in the mix and this is just what one has to expect if they are going to stay profitable and in business.

    I know im getting real sick of people flaming small avation companies on here lately, it's doing nobody any good to come on here and drag a person/business through the mud over slow delivery or maybe not the best customer service when they produce fine product, we all fudge up here and there, no one is perfect. I've had my share of frustrations with delivery of parts from every vender is this very small community but it's not the norm and I sure as hell wouldn't go out behind there back a bitch about it, if you've got a problem you can't live with man up and deal with them directly.
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    PA 22/ 20, well put, I concur in all you say but the bitch behind there back part, 1. I have talked and bought from them, 2. This forum is an open forum. And you can rest assured, there on here. 3.the flow of info is on them, there the ones in business....4. No maning up needed, constitutive input is a good thing, a strong company knows this..on top of that, they a great bunch of folks over there.....Scott

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    I doubt we will hear from Catto with a time line because they would just be lying to you again, in all honesty they probably don't have a clue when FAA approval will happen let's just hope they aren't broke if they get it done. I know you'll say it's sh!ty business practices but what do you do when you don't really know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    PA 22/ 20, well put, I concur in all you say but the bitch behind there back part, 1. I have talked and bought from them, 2. This forum is an open forum. And you can rest assured, there on here. 3.the flow of info is on them, there the ones in business....4. No maning up needed, constitutive input is a good thing, a strong company knows this..on top of that, they a great bunch of folks over there.....Scott
    The last part of my post wasn't necessarily meant to you but towards the common theme of shaming quality companies on here lately.

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    PA 22/20, you have made my day, you have in your last few post made my case and point, if you don't know, say that!!!!.manage your progress ...haveing BS sign up list is misleading, be upfront....tell us the real deal, in your words, if you really don't know, about sumes it up for me.....But id like to say this strait, you say they they would be just lying to me again, your off base. I know theses folks, lyers there not. Poor information management. Without a doubt....Scott

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    Thats funny, but im in AZ and NV for the winter....smart Alaskan....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    PA 22/20, you have made my day, you have in your last few post made my case and point, if you don't know, say that!!!!.manage your progress ...haveing BS sign up list is misleading, be upfront....tell us the real deal, in your words, if you really don't know, about sumes it up for me.....But id like to say this strait, you say they they would be just lying to me again, your off base. I know theses folks, lyers there not. Poor information management. Without a doubt....Scott
    Glad I could make your day but I'm not sure I really made your point or not, I never called them liars my point was if they have a timeline in mind that they think it will be complete and tell you that just know the FAA will make sure it's twice as long therefore make them liars not that they are purposely he lying to you. Must be a long winter in Alaska because you are arguing a worthless point.

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    Chuck, the only worthles thing in this whole thread is someone that don't get it, and signing up for a prop multiple times, for multiple years that don't exist..With promises it's coming....where beating a dead horse here......Scott

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    And as the Sun sets on another great SC.org thread we will be patient and see what the new years flying season brings





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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    Again, two post list above are not about the issue at hand, it's not about time, it's not about the company. It's about misleading info...cant any understand that? Barmizfas, cancer, local this, local that......FAA times, it's about them not being up front about the prop and when and if it's going to be or not goi g to be certified. All other is blather.... Scott
    I'm sure Catto is giving you the best info they can with the info and feedback they have.
    Have you ever talked to someone who's having a house built, and/or to his contractor(s)?
    Everyone has a timeline for completion, but no one's timeline ever comes true.
    No one's lying, everyone's telling the truth as they see it,
    but yet...the house is NEVER done on time.
    Just how it is.

    I know someone who was working on an engine-upgrade STC, and as soon as he got through jumping through the FAA's hoops..
    they'd come up with more hoops.
    I'd guess that's probably the case here.
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    Hot rod 180, have you not been reading the post? The one you copied you clearly did not read. It's not about set backs by whom or who ever, it's about correct, accurate information management from the Co. If there are changes, set backs what ever. Tell us the real deal, NOT another year of sign up sheets...wow....hard to believe where still on TIME THING, it's not about the time..for the last time......it's about Managing your products / programs and the buying customers informed with updates, changes. But most important, accurate information....scott

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    Ding! Ding! Ok, everybody back in your corners...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ View Post
    Ding! Ding! Ok, everybody back in your corners...
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a well preserved body but rather to slide in sideways, well used up proclaiming "WOW What a Ride"
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    Pa22 /20, your faa is a cop out, did the faa have sign up list at shows, start the one at staddards, tell you soon, next fall, next spring, maybe never. Did they force Catto to to do any of that? I think not....the only thing wrong here is inaccurate, implied or other wise information from Catto. Now did the faa change, delay, screw over Catto....oh he'll yes....I'm sure. But the flow of information, from Catto was terrible....Scott
    When I did my STC, I was told by the FAA and the DER I don't remember how many times..."it's almost done, you'll be ready in a couple months"..... A total of 5 years later, I finally got it all through. I agree with Steve....they probably put the first lists out to see if it was even worth while to start down the long and bumpy road of approval. I also remember being involved writing another STC when we got the manual almost done and they changed the standard. It happens, and it can come from the FAA. I don't know Catto's personally, but am just relating MY personal experiences.
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    John, you to are now added to the list that don't understand it's not about the time and or delays, we all know that's going to happen....it's about Managing the delays with responsible, accurate information about the product your working on....set backs are expected, for many reasons. Explain the reasons with updates and accurate info. That what's this is about, chuck up another in the time collum of not understanding the original issue at hand. Scott

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    Scott I don't know what you need to hear from Catto to make you happy and saddle up this old beaten nag and ride off into the sunset but I'm done trying to figure you out.

    PS saddle up Todd from the Javron thread too.

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    Chuck, you make it a simple question, I like that, and it's the only question. When can we expect true and accurate information on if and when the prop will be certified. If your happy with another year of a sign up sheets for what 6 or 7 years now, and counting. Feel free to sign up. I'm rather parshel to accurate information my self.....so now Chuck, is that clear it up for you for what I'd like to hear, one would hope so......Scott
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    "Ca-bin fee-ver" Noun.

    "Irritability, listlessness, and similar symptoms resulting from long confinement or isolation during winter"

    Seems to to be at epidemic levels lately..
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott the cub guy View Post
    ...can we expect true and accurate information on if and when xxxxx will be certified. ..
    sure ... the mountain goat was 90 days away from that in 1993... and still here we wait...

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    Funny you say that. The Mt Goat’s break-through was Bill’s composite props. That was unheard of on Cub types at the time. Look at what this topic is about!

    By the time you guys all get your approved Cattos you’ll figure out what the exp guys have found. Whirlwind is better. And then you’ll complain about the Whirlwind not being approved. Groundhog day.
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    Folks, I believe we have covered all there is to cover here, beat all the horses adequately, and now it is time to move on - or wait. Either way, I am going to close this thread.

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    I haven't seen any Whirlwind props on a Super Cub. I have seen the on the Backcountry airplanes. Do you have a PIREP comparing the two?
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    Folks, I believe we have covered all there is to cover here, beat all the horses adequately, and now it is time to move on - or wait. Either way, I am going to close this thread.

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