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    TurboBeaver: We used what we had! Nothing else available up there...., and actually, the shoes offered a fair bit of surface area to the compacted snow. Angled out a bit, they held better then nothing, which was his other option. With an entrenched high pressure system, and real calm conditions, I at least slept OK that night, good timing, lucky timing actually, with that.

    At work today, I expected to get a text from him around 8 or 9, saying he had made it out. By 11:30 I was starting to think the worst. Then he texted and said the delay was due to a tailwind, so they waited as long as possible for it to die, which it did, but not long enough for it to soften up again. I'll get the blow by blow account plus see the video in a few days, should be a hoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Absolute best medicine to getting stuck on skis....laughter! If you can’t laugh about it, you’d best make a nice warm camp and prepare for the duration.

    One additional “trick” when sorta stuck, but thrust just won’t quite get you going: IF you have a constant speed prop, run up max power, then pull that prop control all the way to the coarse pitch stop, then shove it all the way to fine pitch. It’ll generate an impressive surge of thrust....for a short time, but many times just enough to get going.

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    After the “What the hell did I just do!” Evaluation. Before any digging commenced I got in by myself to “Maybe” power out of it. Surprised it moved almost 3 feet by cycling the prop. Then it wasn’t going anywhere. The prop was just barely off the snow to start with as well as resting on the belly with one wingtip a couple of inches above the snow. Amazing it even moved at all with most of the skis and gear/suspension and belly pod under the snow. Not to mention those GLH3000 skis had that huge weight of wet snow piled in front of the tire. Nonetheless it was a great learning experience. If any of you happen to be up at Alexander Lake near the outlet and notice that it looks like a truck buried itself on the shoreline........I know the individual involved.LOL Did I mention BIG scoop shovels are cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    TurboBeaver: We used what we had! Nothing else available up there...., and actually, the shoes offered a fair bit of surface area to the compacted snow. Angled out a bit, they held better then nothing, which was his other option. With an entrenched high pressure system, and real calm conditions, I at least slept OK that night, good timing, lucky timing actually, with that.

    At work today, I expected to get a text from him around 8 or 9, saying he had made it out. By 11:30 I was starting to think the worst. Then he texted and said the delay was due to a tailwind, so they waited as long as possible for it to die, which it did, but not long enough for it to soften up again. I'll get the blow by blow account plus see the video in a few days, should be a hoot.
    I know what your saying! Guys gotta do what ever he can...........
    Good thing you were around to save his butt. Flying around landing at those altitudes, in jeans n sneakers???
    Sounds about the same as what guys are doing around here as well???? I can only imagine the only back up plan; must be
    to wait for US Govt to come and save
    their sorry as×....????
    Glad it all worked out for him this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboBeaver View Post
    ….. I used to secure my Cub to a full 55gal barrel of fuel under each wing. Came back lots of times and found it had drug the two nearly 700lb (total) drums all over the place?....
    One airport I fly into pretty often has a guy who regularly ties his airplane(s) down to 5 gallon buckets filled with concrete.
    Worse than not tying down at all IMHO but they're his airplanes.
    Cessna Skywagon-- accept no substitute!
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    My buddy who I helped out returned my snowshoes and car I had lent him today while I was at work, but not my tie down ropes and fuel jug.?? He needs to realize those are my lucky ropes, (they've never left me down) I've used those same 12' long 1/2" dacron ropes for front spar tie downs longer then he has been alive, no kidding. I don't want to hear from anyone here about how some newer type rope is better for tying down, I just want my lucky ropes back. Never used outside for extended periods just on flying trips, so not UV worn. My tail tie down rope, is my original hang glider harness rope from 1972, that you clip your harness into, and I don't lend that out ever. Not that I'm superstitious....I just want my damn ropes back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    My buddy who I helped out returned my snowshoes and car I had lent him today while I was at work, but not my tie down ropes and fuel jug.?? He needs to realize those are my lucky ropes, (they've never left me down) I've used those same 12' long 1/2" dacron ropes for front spar tie downs longer then he has been alive, no kidding. I don't want to hear from anyone here about how some newer type rope is better for tying down, I just want my lucky ropes back. Never used outside for extended periods just on flying trips, so not UV worn. My tail tie down rope, is my original hang glider harness rope from 1972, that you clip your harness into, and I don't lend that out ever. Not that I'm superstitious....I just want my damn ropes back.
    NO tie downs rope yet, plus he still has my snow shovel that comes apart for easy storage in the plane. I guess it's up to me to come get them, the least I can do. Oh wait, I let him know yesterday I was going to fly over there to his town, on other business, and as he said he'd be around I assumed I get could my stuff back then. So I fly in, right at the time I had mentioned, get my bike out and run a few errands, and then go over to his hangar and he is gone and it is locked up. Via text, the next day, he told me he had had to leave, but apparently didn't think to leave my stuff where I could get at it. No problem, it's good to know my gear is safe, locked up in his hangar, instead of rattling around in my plane. And, I understand, he was too busy to let me know he'd be gone. And my SUV I loaned him, that has less fuel in it now? Well that just saves weight for when I next drive it. As does the lesser gas weight in the plane after I flew to get him off that ridge top. It's just good to know how it is supposed to work, when you put your butt and aircraft at risk and use your fuel, time, and equipment to help someone out, the least you can also do is round up your gear later yourself and buy your own gas, I guess I had it wrong. The last time I needed similar help, I filled the helper pilot's plane fuel tanks without thinking things through, this guy has taught me a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    NO tie downs rope yet, plus he still has my snow shovel that comes apart for easy storage in the plane. I guess it's up to me to come get them, the least I can do. Oh wait, I let him know yesterday I was going to fly over there to his town, on other business, and as he said he'd be around I assumed I get could my stuff back then. So I fly in, right at the time I had mentioned, get my bike out and run a few errands, and then go over to his hangar and he is gone and it is locked up. Via text, the next day, he told me he had had to leave, but apparently didn't think to leave my stuff where I could get at it. No problem, it's good to know my gear is safe, locked up in his hangar, instead of rattling around in my plane. And, I understand, he was too busy to let me know he'd be gone. And my SUV I loaned him, that has less fuel in it now? Well that just saves weight for when I next drive it. As does the lesser gas weight in the plane after I flew to get him off that ridge top. It's just good to know how it is supposed to work, when you put your butt and aircraft at risk and use your fuel, time, and equipment to help someone out, the least you can also do is round up your gear later yourself and buy your own gas, I guess I had it wrong. The last time I needed similar help, I filled the helper pilot's plane fuel tanks without thinking things through, this guy has taught me a lot.
    At least you know to not answer next time he gets stuck


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    Probably left for the mountain.. where he left your ropes in the snow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    NO tie downs rope yet, plus he still has my snow shovel that comes apart for easy storage in the plane. I guess it's up to me to come get them, the least I can do. Oh wait, I let him know yesterday I was going to fly over there to his town, on other business, and as he said he'd be around I assumed I get could my stuff back then. So I fly in, right at the time I had mentioned, get my bike out and run a few errands, and then go over to his hangar and he is gone and it is locked up. Via text, the next day, he told me he had had to leave, but apparently didn't think to leave my stuff where I could get at it. No problem, it's good to know my gear is safe, locked up in his hangar, instead of rattling around in my plane. And, I understand, he was too busy to let me know he'd be gone. And my SUV I loaned him, that has less fuel in it now? Well that just saves weight for when I next drive it. As does the lesser gas weight in the plane after I flew to get him off that ridge top. It's just good to know how it is supposed to work, when you put your butt and aircraft at risk and use your fuel, time, and equipment to help someone out, the least you can also do is round up your gear later yourself and buy your own gas, I guess I had it wrong. The last time I needed similar help, I filled the helper pilot's plane fuel tanks without thinking things through, this guy has taught me a lot.
    Suck it up, your like me, you'll do it again because you have to. It's in your DNA

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    This is a Golden Rule pilot dealing with one who's not.

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    You get them everywhere - and I’ll bet that if the roles were reversed he wouldn’t be out there helping you. Quite a lot of descriptors spring to mind but I won’t share them - other than churlish knave.


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    I have carried a rope come-a-long but have not had the pleasure of trying it yet in the plane, I don't think you need all the force of a cable model and you don't have to re-rig as much when you run out of cable. Has anyone thought of taking the Kevlar replacement cable for winches and using it to replace the cable on a regular come-a-long? Would that get more length on there? Seems popular in the ATV world but they obviously have more capacity to begin with. Even a length of the Kevlar cable would be handy to have for an extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jprax View Post
    I have carried a rope come-a-long but have not had the pleasure of trying it yet in the plane, I don't think you need all the force of a cable model and you don't have to re-rig as much when you run out of cable. Has anyone thought of taking the Kevlar replacement cable for winches and using it to replace the cable on a regular come-a-long? Would that get more length on there? Seems popular in the ATV world but they obviously have more capacity to begin with. Even a length of the Kevlar cable would be handy to have for an extension.
    Test your rope come along BEFORE you need it. Had used many with no problems. But the last one I got from amazon with rope included slips on the included rope. Need to buy some of that yellow rope and retest( that’s what we always used to flip planes over)


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    If you ever drop a ski through an ice layer you’ll want a real come-along. The scope of the line is flat and the plane has to be lifted, which in this case comes from getting the tip(s) on top and hoping the aft check cables hold as you pull the plane with the skis tilted toward the sky so it can climb on top. It’s a chore. I carry a Pack Mule come-along and a couple of hundred feet of Blue Steel line. The problem with dyneema rope is it requires a thimble and splice to terminate. It breaks on itself if you use conventional knots, but conventional knots are all I know. At least the backlash isn’t lethal like with steel cable. If you do get by with a regular knot and the line has had a load? May as well cut it because that knot isn’t coming out. I guess them’s the breaks for using bad judgement, or so I’ve heard.
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    Old manila rope works with rope come-alongs. Sticks to the sheave better.

    If stuck cut a 4-6" pole and kick under the ski tips with them pried or lifted up. Hook the puller to a screw anchor in the ice. Once it comes up some put more logs and brush or spruce limbs if available under the skis and pull the plane up on that hopefully dry platform. Clear out a path forward with snowshoes and shovel in front of the skis and especially the prop. Get in the plane and gas'er trying not to pick up slush if present with the prop tip. Ice on the prop kills thrust. If it won't go then just put up camp for the night and leave the plane sitting above the crud on a pad. Pack a trail ahead that will set up and freeze. Use your 1 KW generator to make heat for you and the plane.

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    I'll pass on one trick I used in 1970- I had a 7AC with an 85 hp on wooden skiis. I foolishly tried to go flying at -30F. I pre-heated the airplane over night, but discovered I couldn't taxi 1 inch because of frost on the bottom of the skiis. I remembered a trick I had read about- I put each ski into a garbage bag. It taxied without a problem and on takeoff the bags ripped off and went elsewhere. (Today I would taxi until the bags ripped, then I would pull them off of the skis before flying.) I learned to carry two small 2 x 6's to lift the skiis up after stopping. We were dressed for -30F but found at 1500 feet or so it was a balmy 0 degrees. Today I argue with myself about going out into the heated garage when it's cold outside...

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    In the last 2 years I have changed my "unstuck kit". Still snowshoes and a good scoop shovel with a fiberglass handle, but no more come-along. I have found that my little stihl electric saw with a fully charged battery is more useful. I am always amazed at the power and longevity of that saw. You can almost always work out some way to lift a ski and get something under it, then build up snow (overflow) or pack it down to eventually get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercub9675 View Post
    I'll pass on one trick I used in 1970- I had a 7AC with an 85 hp on wooden skiis. I foolishly tried to go flying at -30F. I pre-heated the airplane over night, but discovered I couldn't taxi 1 inch because of frost on the bottom of the skiis. I remembered a trick I had read about- I put each ski into a garbage bag. It taxied without a problem and on takeoff the bags ripped off and went elsewhere. (Today I would taxi until the bags ripped, then I would pull them off of the skis before flying.) I learned to carry two small 2 x 6's to lift the skiis up after stopping. We were dressed for -30F but found at 1500 feet or so it was a balmy 0 degrees. Today I argue with myself about going out into the heated garage when it's cold outside...
    Used garbage bags on the skis many times, also in the 70’s and 80’s.... Worked well, also worked great as improvised rain coat with arm holes cut out.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StalledOut View Post
    In the last 2 years I have changed my "unstuck kit". Still snowshoes and a good scoop shovel with a fiberglass handle, but no more come-along. I have found that my little stihl electric saw with a fully charged battery is more useful. I am always amazed at the power and longevity of that saw. You can almost always work out some way to lift a ski and get something under it, then build up snow (overflow) or pack it down to eventually get out.
    ?? You replaced your come-along with an electric saw? Please explain. Is there a winch head or power block on the saw? If so, sounds interesting. More info please.

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    The problem with dyneema rope is it requires a thimble and splice to terminate. It breaks on itself if you use conventional knots, but conventional knots are all I know. At least the backlash isn’t lethal like with steel cable. If you do get by with a regular knot and the line has had a load? May as well cut it because that knot isn’t coming out. [/QUOTE]



    If you tie a loop knot: bowline, girth hitch, sheet bend, or even a granny knot that is going to be under extreme load, especially in mud or freezing conditions, I put a 1 inch peeled stick in the loop. If you leave about a foot sticking out on one end you'll be able to pull it out and the knot will have plenty of slack to take it apart. I have towed heavy skiffs, behind a seiner from Bristol Bay to Ketchikan and pulled the knot apart, no problem.

    This also gives the rope a "thimble" to spread out the load. I have never had dyneema break on itself, but will keep that tip in my back pocket. Thanks Stewart.
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    No, just hauling around the come-along and rope all those years and never used it.
    It seems like I was always looking for limbs or some kind of wood to get the skiis up on and then used the scoop shovel and snowshoes to do the rest.
    Hacking away with a hatchet has given way to using the electric saw.
    I am sure some day I will wish I had the come along though.
    Guess if I haven't used a come along in 40 years I probably won't start this year.
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    Cubs are light. Try unsticking a C-185 that submarined under a snowy ice layer into a foot of water above the real lake surface. Two red faced overweight dingers shoveling axing and winching got it back on top. I had to drive it up on the lake shore then winch the tail with tires down 180 to blast out of there. Oh...and someone forgot to load the snowshoes. Guess who's job that was? Did three passes over the LZ to pack it first but didn't see water percoating up until too late. Always wait a few minutes after packing to see if it's wet below. We wore bunny boots full of water when it was done.

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