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    Favorite Cessna 180/185 Jack Pad

    Curious what everyones favorite 180/185 jack pad is. I have some home made ones I have built over the years but a friend wants one for his 185 and trying to figure out which one is best. Was going to use a floor jack instead of a bottle jack. Wanting to swap between 8.50 whels and tire and 29" Bushwheels. I see Atlee has two.

    http://www.fadodge.com/cessna-leaf-gear-jack-pad-2/

    http://www.fadodge.com/cessna-jack-pad/



    and Bogert.

    http://bogertaviation.com/collection...table-jack-pad
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    I can't find the old thread where I had pics of my tripod stand and hydraulic jack to lift my 180 under the gear boxes. Dave Calkins had a similar tripod that folded closed. Very cool. WAY better than a gear leg fixture.

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    Photos of 24" bottle jack with folding legs coming shortly.

    Jackpads scare me on taildragger Cessnas since the gear flexes and moves over as you lift a side

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    my main one i used was a 2x8 with a piece of plywood on it, then a metal part to keep jack in place and spread load screwed to it, used under gearbox

    the clamp on leg one's I've made i like to add a pin across top...

    and i also wrap chain around tail wheel so it doesn't decide to roll away or swivel

    I've also seen one that sets right against fuselage under gear leg

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    Av-Jack by Ace-Air

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    I have several, an adjustable gear leg pad (better than nothing), a welded custom gear leg pad that works pretty well for single side jacking and a whole belly Woden cradle that goes under the gear leg reinforcement boxes that is amayzing with a couple of jacks plus a tail cradle that goes under the stinger bulkhead that is really handy.
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    I use amsteel synthetic winch cable made into a continuous loop. Form a double prussic(sp?) knot around the gear leg and use a engine hoist or overhead winch to lift the gear leg. It looks and sounds crazy, but 3/16" amsteel has a 4900 pound breaking strength. Fast, easy and nothing in your way when changing tires. You can search for "cessna gear leg whoopi sling" and find a pic on BCP of how it looks.

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    Hoist on the seaplane lifting rings (if you have them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey Gray View Post
    Av-Jack by Ace-Air
    Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTV View Post
    I use amsteel synthetic winch cable made into a continuous loop. Form a double prussic(sp?) knot around the gear leg and use a engine hoist or overhead winch to lift the gear leg. It looks and sounds crazy, but 3/16" amsteel has a 4900 pound breaking strength. Fast, easy and nothing in your way when changing tires. You can search for "cessna gear leg whoopi sling" and find a pic on BCP of how it looks.
    Sorry,can't find it.
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    Jacking from a gear leg gets scary when you switch the first 800 or 850 to a 29" Bushwheel. Changing the second one is really scary. Jacking under a gear box is much more stable. Big tires, skis, outdoors in the breeze, on ice or gravel... no problem. Another good option is a vee block that wedges between gear box and gear leg but I have hydraulic lines there so I jack from the flat underside of the gear box. My top pad allows some roll to compensate for the angle change as the plane lifts so no side loading on the jack. It works great. If I built another one I'd make the tripod legs fold in for stowing like Dave C's does. Maybe he'll post a picture.
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    very nice in more ways than one.

    I hope it will work on pa-18 3" extended with 29" bushwheels.

    i hope she answers the phone when I call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Very nice.

    A little spendy $495 but it does look stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Sorry,can't find it.
    Steve, Samson Rope sells this (or similar) under the trade name of Amsteel. There are lots of variations on Aramid cordage. Here's a link:

    http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Prod...?ProductID=872

    This is working its way into several applications which traditionally used steel cable. It's not a universal substitute however. Another interesting application is for winch launching sailplanes, and it's pretty much taken over in Europe, and at the (few) U.S. glider operations who winch.

    Thanks. cubscout

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    I have wrapped the gear leg with a 1 inch by 24 inch nylon lifting strap and hooked that to my engine hoist. Once the slack goes out it stays put on a tapered gear leg. It is also handy to put through the lifting handle on a taildragger and run it back through the eye of one end. Absolutely no strain to my back when the hoist picks up the tail. jrh
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTV View Post
    I use amsteel synthetic winch cable made into a continuous loop. Form a double prussic(sp?) knot around the gear leg and use a engine hoist or overhead winch to lift the gear leg. It looks and sounds crazy, but 3/16" amsteel has a 4900 pound breaking strength. Fast, easy and nothing in your way when changing tires. You can search for "cessna gear leg whoopi sling" and find a pic on BCP of how it looks.
    Brandt sent me the link.
    https://www.backcountrypilot.org/com...17878?start=60

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    Quote Originally Posted by N86250 View Post
    I have wrapped the gear leg with a 1 inch by 24 inch nylon lifting strap and hooked that to my engine hoist. Once the slack goes out it stays put on a tapered gear leg. It is also handy to put through the lifting handle on a taildragger and run it back through the eye of one end. Absolutely no strain to my back when the hoist picks up the tail. jrh
    I try to not put too much weight on tail handles of a Cub. I am not saying you are overdoing it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    More pics of that plane??

    looks like a beauty!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Very nice.

    Fist time I have seen this.... And that crazy mechanic in the video is my old buddy Brian Lansburgh out of Sisters Oregon...

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    24" bottle jack. Welded aluminum folding base. Block of wood has a piece of conveyor belt "padding" that the airplane belly rivets kindof grip. Also. A short stub of 4130 tube is set into the block to "key" into the hole in the belly so it will never slip. I jack it nearly all the way up sometimes and attach the ski bungees with no need to stretch them. Super stable!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey Gray View Post
    Av-Jack by Ace-Air
    thats pretty slick looking.... would be a fun project to make one like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    I try to not put too much weight on tail handles of a Cub. I am not saying you are overdoing it
    Would it make a difference if it broke off in your hand or hanging from a strap? The tail weighs the same both ways. jrh

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    You are so right jrh. Sorry. I said the first thing that came to mind. Then retyped it. Shoulda erased it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    You are so right jrh. Sorry. I said the first thing that came to mind. Then retyped it. Shoulda erased it!
    No, that's OK. You made me think and that's supposed to be good. jrh

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    +1 for the engine hoist and strap method. We just use a 1.5" wide strap wrapped around the gear leg.

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    The av-jack looks good. Anyone know if it has enough travel to switch from 8.50's to 29's without setting the axle down on a block and adjusting the jack?

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    As I recall, Vern's first version of the Av-Jack wouldn't. He then did a little redesign work so it will do 31s as well as small tires.
    If you want to talk to Vern directly, PM me and I'll send his cell number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey Gray View Post
    As I recall, Vern's first version of the Av-Jack wouldn't. He then did a little redesign work so it will do 31s as well as small tires.
    If you want to talk to Vern directly, PM me and I'll send his cell number.
    I'd like to know as well, see if you can get him to post here...
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    Probably not a big deal, but I try not to have a lot of fuel in the tanks. I have terrain just outside the hangar that I can put the fuel selector on both and run fuel to the opposite side I want lift and it might help lighten the lift a little.

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    Favorite Cessna 180/185 Jack Pad

    Couldn't get in touch with anyone for the av jack so I built some. Will lift a 600-6 off a 180 and put a 31 on. Works great on 206's too. I've got four made. Powder coated too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Couldn't get in touch with anyone for the av jack so I built some. Will lift a 600-6 off a 180 and put a 31 on. Works great on 206's too. I've got four made. Powder coated too.




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    I think Vern has a patent on the design. I'm pretty sure it's not even acceptable to copy them for your own use.
    I'm not a patent attorney, but I have talked to patent attorneys about competitors copying equipment that I designed.
    Might want to be careful.

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    You think he might? Nice job on the "New Design"

    I'm not a paten lawyer, but having paid one before... I can see so many reasons that would make it very difficult to receive a paten certificate... What's so special about a lever that is actuated but an undercarriage on wheels, be it manual, hydraulic, or electric? And even if you got it, you still have to go to trial and see what the court thinks... To me (and I mean no offence to any lawyers out there... you serve us all selfishly with your deeds ) a lawyer is like a hammer sales man, all problems look like nails...

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    A patent keeps you from selling the product not from building for personal use.
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    Our patent attorney told me that not only can't you sell it, you can't build it for your own use.
    He enlightened me after I said, "Well, it keeps me from building it and selling it, but it doesn't keep me from building one for myself."
    The same attorney told me that really nobody had invented anything in a really long time, people just rearrange things.
    I know a guy who has a patent for putting casters under a surface grinder. He didn't invent grinders, he didn't invent casters and he certainly wasn't the first to put casters under a surface grinder, but he has a patent.
    The only thing special about Vern's gizmo is that people are still having airplanes fall off other gizmos.
    It's just an actuated lever on an undercarriage that keeps a Cessna from falling over, that apparently wasn't thought of before.
    I bought one and gave it to a buddy with a Cessna because some of the other stuff is scary.

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    Does the Abjack work on uneven surfaces or soft stuff?

    Ddoes it scrape the paint on the bottom of the gear leg?

    I didnt watch the video, but I think I see these two issues.

    I dont wanna get sued for using the name of the contrivance, so I spelled it wrong!

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    I got their phone number off the Av-Jack website and called and ordered one today. Just got my shipping confirmation. Talked to Vern about his Super Cub adapter as well. Looks like a way better way of lifting Cessna's and Cubs than the way I have been doing it. My Bogert jack for the Cub is scary and not everyone has lifting rings which is my preferred method of jacking. Had an employee drop a C180 once with the seat on a table under the wing. Not a simple fix. I think the Av-Jack will me a nice addition to my tool and equipment collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    Does the Abjack work on uneven surfaces or soft stuff?

    Ddoes it scrape the paint on the bottom of the gear leg?

    I didnt watch the video, but I think I see these two issues.

    I dont wanna get sued for using the name of the contrivance, so I spelled it wrong!
    Smooth surface isn't a problem for me. I will have to see how it will work but I have some pretty good rubber I use under my other jack pads to address the paint scratching.
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    You were considering one of those jack pads for a smooth floor hangar? Nobody uses those things inside hangars, do they? Whatcha gonna use when some Skywagon driver needs you to fix a flat in the real world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey Gray View Post
    I think Vern has a patent on the design. I'm pretty sure it's not even acceptable to copy them for your own use.
    I'm not a patent attorney, but I have talked to patent attorneys about competitors copying equipment that I designed.
    Might want to be careful.
    i didn't see any mention of a patent on website....

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