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    mini-tablet GPS

    I've been navigating with Garmin handheld GPS's for a long time-- first a Pilot 3 for about 10 years and about 7 years ago switched to a 196. I just updated the database last summer so it's good to go, still works fine and I'm happy with it. But I've been thinking about modernizing and getting a 7 or 8" mini-tablet and some sort of sectional / moving map GPS app.
    How about some (brief) pireps on which tablet & app you use (or have used), and what you like or dislike about it.
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    Take a look at some of Darrel Starr's posts of the past three to four months. He's got a pretty nice rig using a mini iPad and Stratus.
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    I think the general consensus is the iPad is the clear favorite for piloting apps. The cell version is favored if you don't want to add an external GPS receiver. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot are excellent apps (I'm less fluent in the other choices). If you've grown up with Garmin units you're most familiar with a top map view. Foreflight doesn't offer one while Garmin Pilot does. Foreflight does have an aerial view that's nice but it only works when in cell range so only with a cell compatible tablet. If you think you want synthetic vision and/or attitude info expect to pay an additional $800 for either a Stratus or GDL39-3D ADS-B/ADHRS unit. Those are game changers when comparing a tablet app to GPS unit.

    http://www.supercub.org/forum/showth...Pilot-Question

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    I think the general consensus is the iPad is the clear favorite for piloting apps. The cell version is favored if you don't want to add an external GPS receiver. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot are excellent apps (I'm less fluent in the other choices). If you've grown up with Garmin units you're most familiar with a top map view. Foreflight doesn't offer one while Garmin Pilot does. Foreflight does have an aerial view that's nice but it only works when in cell range so only with a cell compatible tablet. If you think you want synthetic vision and/or attitude info expect to pay an additional $800 for either a Stratus or GDL39-3D ADS-B/ADHRS unit. Those are game changers when comparing a tablet app to GPS unit.

    http://www.supercub.org/forum/showth...Pilot-Question
    No need to get a 4G iPad mini. Just use your iPhone as a hotspot. Save the $120 for gas.

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    I plan to set the tablet up to be a stand-alone device, don't want it to require another device to work.
    Looks like the most popular combo's are Foreflight on an ipad, or Garmin Pilot on an ipad or android.
    Anyone using (free) Avare & Android?
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    These work great, reconditioned, cheap, internal GPS. Add Naviator for 34 bucks a year. Velcro wherever you want it.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gala...4AAMXQWzNSg38w

    http://www.naviatorapp.com/

    $80 Pad


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    I've used this for a couple of years, free and works great on every droid tablet and phone I have https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ds.avare&hl=en

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    I'm not very computer-savvy so bear with me.
    Having 4G also means that it has a built-in GPS (no separate GPS device required)?
    I was just checking out ipads online, I see anywhere from 16GB to 64GB with corresponding price differences.
    What is a good compromise between capability and reasonable price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I'm not a high-tech guy so bear with me.
    Having 4G also means that it has a built-in GPS (no separate GPS device required)?
    I was just checking out ipads online, I see anywhere from 16GB to 64GB with corresponding price differences.
    What is a good compromise between capability and reasonable price?
    4G is signal capability. Nothing to do with GPS

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    These work great, reconditioned, cheap, internal GPS. Add Naviator for 34 bucks a year. Velcro wherever you want it.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gala...4AAMXQWzNSg38w
    How can you tell if it has GPS capability?
    I read the description and it doesn't mention that, even under misc special features.

    If it does, however, that looks like a good way to get my feet wet on this tablet / app stuff.
    $100 for a tablet, and the free Avare app.
    I can always upgrade to a fancier device and better app(s) later.
    I would kinda like an 8" tablet instead of a 7, though-- I imagine they're probably available on the "used, reconditioned" market also.
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    Almost all Tablets have a GPS, its the ( Yuppie ) Ipad stuff that are lacking in that dept. Even little Timmy is happy with the $80 reconditioned Samsung.

    Glenn
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    [QUOTE=stewartb;649373]I think the general consensus is the iPad is the clear favorite for piloting apps. The cell version is favored if you don't want to add an external GPS receiver. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot are excellent apps (I'm less fluent in the other choices). If you've grown up with Garmin units you're most familiar with a top map view. Foreflight doesn't offer one while Garmin Pilot does. Foreflight does have an aerial view that's nice but it only works when in cell range so only with a cell compatible tablet. If you think you want synthetic vision and/or attitude info expect to pay an additional $800 for either a Stratus or GDL39-3D ADS-B/ADHRS unit. Those are game changers when comparing a tablet app to GPS unit.]

    I've been using an Ipad with Forflight and I really like the synthetic vision view, but I can't use user waypoints in it and the topo map view is not detailed enough to be of any use. I think I'm going to pull the plug in Feb rather than renew it.

    How does the Garmin Pilot synthetic vision compare to the Forflight? I haven't bought ADS-B/ ADHRS and won't unless it is clearly worth doing. Do user waypoints show up in Garmin Pilot synthetic vision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    How can you tell if it has GPS capability?
    I read the description and it doesn't mention that, even under misc special features.

    If it does, however, that looks like a good way to get my feet wet on this tablet / app stuff.
    $100 for a tablet, and the free Avare app.
    I can always upgrade to a fancier device and better app(s) later.
    I would kinda like an 8" tablet instead of a 7, though-- I imagine they're probably available on the "used, reconditioned" market also.
    http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...3_8_0-5456.php

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gala...48284996&rt=nc

    Glenn

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    I sprang for the mini iPad a month ago and have it mounted over on the left side of my instrument panel, using one of the circular RAM mounting units and an arm that can be moved around a bit...until I bought the mini iPad this spot hosted my iPhone. Currently i have my Garmin 496 mounted using some adel clamps to the cabane in the midline of the airplane.


    Anyone know of the correct RAM clamps that are needed to attach the mini iPad to the cabane just above the instrument panel? Steve Eaton, I think you showed me that you used something like that for your Garmin 796???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I plan to set the tablet up to be a stand-alone device, don't want it to require another device to work.
    Looks like the most popular combo's are Foreflight on an ipad, or Garmin Pilot on an ipad or android.
    Anyone using (free) Avare & Android?
    You want a Cellular capable ipad. It will have an internal GPS good to about 5 meters. GPS works without a cellular signal. That is what I use.

    Add the Stratus 2 and the accuracy is 1 meter plus you get weather radar, AHARS info, synthetic vision, and ADS-B in.

    I have backup via my Iphone and carry a spare mini on trips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefoy84 View Post
    You want a Cellular capable ipad. It will have an internal GPS good to about 5 meters. GPS works without a cellular signal. That is what I use.

    Add the Stratus 2 and the accuracy is 1 meter plus you get weather radar, AHARS info, synthetic vision, and ADS-B in.

    I have backup via my Iphone and carry a spare mini on trips.
    5 meters works for me, I'm not that good that I would notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefoy84 View Post
    You want a Cellular capable ipad. It will have an internal GPS good to about 5 meters. GPS works without a cellular signal. That is what I use.

    Add the Stratus 2 and the accuracy is 1 meter plus you get weather radar, AHARS info, synthetic vision, and ADS-B in.

    I have backup via my Iphone and carry a spare mini on trips.
    No need to spend $500 on a cell capable ipad unless you want to spend more than needed. Any gps capable droid pad or phone and the free droid app Avare will do the job just as well and be much easier to use than an ipad. Forced to use ipad apps for work, apple is a mess compared to droid, I use Avare for VFR navigating in my cub, Apple doesnt get near it. Save the hundreds of dollars you could pay for an ipad an get a droid and spend the money you saved on a few tanks of gas and go fly

    Heres Avare running on my 129$ nexus 7 inch pad, you can zoom in or out on the charts, this is zoomed out a bit on a WAC chart, but you can download via the app sectionals or ifr charts afd, lots of options and all free. The internal gps on the droid nexus 7 is very accurate.

    Added a second shot of the nexus 7 and Avare app and sectional zoomed in
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    I bought probably the most expensive Mini iPad with GPS and the max memory because the great thing about an iPad for airplane navigation is that it is not a One Trick Pony. I can use it for navigating in the car with Apple or Google maps and for other stuff especially on a trip. I am done with buying a $2000 - $4000 Aviation GPS that is used 50 - 65 hrs a year and can not be used for anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel Starr View Post
    I bought probably the most expensive Mini iPad with GPS and the max memory because the great thing about an iPad for airplane navigation is that it is not a One Trick Pony. I can use it for navigating in the car with Apple or Google maps and for other stuff especially on a trip. I am done with buying a $2000 - $4000 Aviation GPS that is used 50 - 65 hrs a year and can not be used for anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel Starr View Post
    I bought probably the most expensive Mini iPad with GPS and the max memory because the great thing about an iPad for airplane navigation is that it is not a One Trick Pony. I can use it for navigating in the car with Apple or Google maps and for other stuff especially on a trip. I am done with buying a $2000 - $4000 Aviation GPS that is used 50 - 65 hrs a year and can not be used for anything else.
    But the $100 android pad will do the same thing. I'm typing this on mine

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    Just ordered one up-- 16GB 8" tablet, new, for $100.
    Tough to beat that.
    Thanks for the tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supercub1999 View Post
    No need to spend $500 on a cell capable ipad unless you want to spend more than needed. Any gps capable droid pad or phone and the free droid app Avare will do the job just as well ...... Save the hundreds of dollars you could pay for an ipad an get a droid and spend the money you saved on a few tanks of gas and go fly.
    This is what I'm thinking.
    If and when I need more device, or more app, I can always upgrade, but for now I'm sure this'll work just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post

    Anyone know of the correct RAM clamps that are needed to attach the mini iPad to the cabane just above the instrument panel? Steve Eaton, I think you showed me that you used something like that for your Garmin 796???

    Randy
    Randy, its call a RAM Tough Claw Yoke Mount, Google that and they are everywhere for $20-30. Clamp that on the v brace and use the extension to clamp to the back of your unit mount. I think my extension (on the back of the 796) is 3"... Just wanted to clarify that..... Works great and has never moved.

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    http://forum.naviatorapp.com/viewtopic.php?id=1159 A little over $100 will get you an ADS-b receiver that will bluetooth to your tablet and get you free weather. It does not always work out following Tim's lead but this was a good one.
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    another shot of Avare on a droid Moto X phone sometimes easier just to wip the phone out when you're flying and use it, but this screenshot is while I'm driving
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I've been navigating with Garmin handheld GPS's for a long time-- first a Pilot 3 for about 10 years and about 7 years ago switched to a 196. I just updated the database last summer so it's good to go, still works fine and I'm happy with it. But I've been thinking about modernizing and getting a 7 or 8" mini-tablet and some sort of sectional / moving map GPS app.
    How about some (brief) pireps on which tablet & app you use (or have used), and what you like or dislike about it.
    Am only familiar with Foreflight's Stratus system I use it with an Iphone 6+ as the primary nav tool, and with an Ipad Mini as a moving map backup. For the Ipad you either have to upgrade to a cell phone model or get the Stratus gps receiver. The Iphone works independent of the stratus but lacks some of the functionality foreflight lends to the Ipad. I opted for the Stratus II model with the ADSB available in limited areas.
    The Stratus II gives a very effective AH display on the Ipad, but not the Iphone. Limitations in a tailwheel are that the stratus needs to be synced before you start moving, and will therefore show level flight in the 3 point attitude. reregistering in flight has been a hit or miss effort.
    I liked the idea of having a fallback attitude indicator as the J5 is strictly VFR, and if I did get caught out, I would really like a gps with attitude superimposed on it to get down or up out of trouble.

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    Deetz,
    I have never had any problem adjusting the attitude display from the Stratus to my Ipad inflight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deetz View Post
    Am only familiar with Foreflight's Stratus system I use it with an Iphone 6+ as the primary nav tool, and with an Ipad Mini as a moving map backup. For the Ipad you either have to upgrade to a cell phone model or get the Stratus gps receiver. The Iphone works independent of the stratus but lacks some of the functionality foreflight lends to the Ipad. I opted for the Stratus II model with the ADSB available in limited areas.
    The Stratus II gives a very effective AH display on the Ipad, but not the Iphone. Limitations in a tailwheel are that the stratus needs to be synced before you start moving, and will therefore show level flight in the 3 point attitude. reregistering in flight has been a hit or miss effort.
    I liked the idea of having a fallback attitude indicator as the J5 is strictly VFR, and if I did get caught out, I would really like a gps with attitude superimposed on it to get down or up out of trouble.
    deetz, sounds like good stuff if the attitude reference is solid, I thought about getting an attitude backup but than started using my turn coordinator for bank and remembered the partial panel flying I practiced a lot years ago, and found out how accurate you can fly partial panel, that turn coordinator works real well for bank, and pitch is airspeed.. after a few minutes practice I saw no reason for an emergency attitude reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    Just ordered one up-- 16GB 8" tablet, new, for $100.
    Tough to beat that.
    Thanks for the tip.
    Got the tablet the end of last week, have it attached to the center panel via a ledge mount + Velcro.
    Downloaded the free Avare app, I like it so far. I've only flown about 3 short trips with it so far, but have screwed around with it on the ground a bit also. There's a learning curve involved, esp since this is my first touch screen device plus I'm not a big tech guy, but I'm already getting the hang of it pretty well.
    I also downloaded the free FltPlanGo app a guy I know uses, haven't looked at it too much but from the little bit I did I prefer the Avare.
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    I use the Ifly on the tablet works great don't forget to look outside the airplane occasionally

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    Got the tablet the end of last week, have it attached to the center panel via a ledge mount + Velcro.
    Downloaded the free Avare app, I like it so far. I've only flown about 3 short trips with it so far, but have screwed around with it on the ground a bit also. There's a learning curve involved, esp since this is my first touch screen device plus I'm not a big tech guy, but I'm already getting the hang of it pretty well.
    I also downloaded the free FltPlanGo app a guy I know uses, haven't looked at it too much but from the little bit I did I prefer the Avare.
    Best Buy has that droid pad on sale now for 79$, not sure if thay have a 30 day better deal thing but you might be able to get 20 bucks back. How's the dPad working?

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    Not that this will help anyone, but ....

    I'm using an Android tablet (Nexus 7), with a program called OziExplorer. I have topo maps as well as VNC's (Sectionals) installed. I prefer the topos for the speed at which I fly as they provide much more terrain detail. Besides, it makes it look as if I'm going MUCH faster!

    I also have my old Garmin 76C running as back-up, with the tablet on 'moving map' and the Garmin pointing the way to destination.
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    Slightly off topic but here's a link to a really good app for off-line topo maps for once you get to where you're going assuming you went there to do something.

    https://www.gaiagps.com/gallery/

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    Why no reference to Air Navigation Pro? I bought the app early on for $40 and later Foreflight. With both on my iPad mini, ANP map detail is preferable in skizzy going.

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    I am wanting to get a different 'plane specific' tablet also. Reading this thread, and already being an Android with happy Avare user, I am giong to get a 7" or an 8". I agree with hotrod180 and am thinking the 8"might be the way to go. I've been using my old Galazy 10.1 but rarely carry it on the plane anymore since it just seems too bulky, ie. takes up too much space where space is limited.

    Doubt I will buy one with cellular capabilities since I am one that does not do contract phones. Traveled all over the country with my Moto-G using Net-10 service and have been very happy with it.
    Not sure if there is a way to use the Net-10 service on my tablet without paying for another number/line.

    I am not very tablet/computer savy What do you guys recommend for size? Is the 8GB sufficient? Or is a 16GB or larger needed?

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