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    I can already visualize ALPA's lobby for it's members who land at the wrong airport... plow up all runways less than 7000 feet.
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    ALPA Bullet points as relayed by one of their mouthpieces....
    1) AMA, CAMA AND NTSB not on board
    2) Should use normal NPRM, congressionally dictated medical rule, could backfire
    3) SAFETY (they love that word) many GA pilots do not get annual physicals and this is the only stop gap to find an issue

    When I commented that there may be retaliation from EAA and AOPA when they need them, I was told, "they need us much more than we need them" ...The arrogance is nauseating, but normal..

    One rather noisy member told me that "your rich boy hobby needs more regulation, not less" (Canadian citizen, air force trained, living in the US working for a major US carrier, never worked for any one else and holds no single engine ratings)
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    To be fair, with regard to the three points, can you make a convincing argument that they're incorrect?

    Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the expansion of 3rd class medical reform and more so of the expansion of Light Sport limits. I'm a great example of what's wrong with the aeromedical process. When I was sick I got my medicals easily. Since I got fixed the FAA makes me burden my doctor to prove I'm fixed every 6 months. I have skin in the game and all this political posturing has done nothing but delay the process and delay my next Cub project because I don't know what the gross weight limits may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDCROWE View Post
    I can already visualize ALPA's lobby for it's members who land at the wrong airport... plow up all runways less than 7000 feet.
    I thought their member did a great job plowing it up himself when he landed 6 miles short...

    I fully agree with Stewart, there are some legitimate reasons for not approving the medical change. However, lets do a reality check, the class 3 is a biannual check, so you can not tell me that really screens folks when they are getting older.

    And right now airlines are scrambling to hire pilots. All those Viet Nam vets have retired now, and so many of us that were young and saw how few jobs were available did something else for years... now the airlines are REQUIRED to put an ATP in the right seat, an ATP which must be obtained after an expensive class that young pilots can not afford.

    So Alpa might be thinking they are doing good for their members, but in reality they are pushing, along with TSA, GA out the door into history, so before long the powers that be will allow passenger drones, and pilots will be a thing of the past.

    Then where will ALPA be?

    What needs to happen is us GA guys need to get our lobby busy and have the airlines restricted to small sections of our airports, and not allow them out. The rest of the GA area should not be required to have all the security so we can have young folks help wash aircraft and grow up with aviation. Not locked outside the fence.

    Rant over
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    The rest of the GA area should not be required to have all the security so we can have young folks help wash aircraft and grow up with aviation. Not locked outside the fence.
    That is simple and correct.
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    It may not matter, but there is a "ALPA Doesn't Speak For Me" Facebook Page. Chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton Harper View Post
    It may not matter, but there is a "ALPA Doesn't Speak For Me" Facebook Page. Chime in.
    Is there one of those pages for the IBT also

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    Not doing business with the companies on that list might make you feel better but it won't do any good. The companies and ALPA are two different entities.

    I'm a ALPA member, FedEx pilot, but I'm very disappointed in their stance on this issue. I wrote them an email relaying my anger and disgust and for what it's worth this was their response:

    Capt. Rogers –

    Thanks for the message. We understand that this is an emotional issue.

    A couple points that were contained in the AOPA and EAA messages to their members are incorrect. Just so you are aware, we have been attempting to work this issue with AOPA for some time now and, in fact, thought we had identified a middle-ground solution. We spoke with GAMA reps about that middle-ground solution to start to build consensus. It was the attempt to attach the amendment to the surface transportation bill without prior coordination that triggered ALPA’s response on Friday.

    As you know, ALPA’s responsibility is to advocate for our members in their capacity as professional airline pilots. As highlighted we have been trying to work with AOPA to satisfy their concerns but they went ahead, without our knowledge, in an attempt to attach this amendment to the Highway Bill.

    ALPA’s long standing policy is to maintain the highest level of safety within the National Airspace System. Self-certification of medical qualification for pilots flying in the same airspace as airlines is a step backwards from maintaining the highest levels of safety. ALPA members who are also GA pilots hold a Class 1 or 2 medical (as part of their jobs) and thus are not affected by this issue, except for the fact that it could have an adverse effect on the safety of the airspace in which we operate.

    Contrary to many assertions, there have been airborne medical issues for GA pilots, just like commercial pilots, and moving to medical self-certification will just make it worse. There are a couple stats released by NTSB and the Aerospace Medical Association that everyone should review when considering whether medical self-certification is safe. The Aerospace Medical Association has stated that immediately after the Sport pilot category was introduced, the general aviation accident rate increased by 20 percent. In addition, the NTSB has documented the sharp increase in accident involving Sport pilots where prohibited substances were found in the system of the pilot and contributed to the accident.

    We hope to continue to work with AOPA and other stakeholders to find a solution to the their special-issuance concerns and any other problems they would like to address. There are other aspects of the pilots’ bill of rights that we support, which is why we have attempted to work the issue with AOPA.

    Hope that this helps.

    ALPA Communications

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    As a retired ALPA member with 29 years of line flying, 38 years of professional flying, I am really angered at this and have expressed it with 'the association'. Let's not kid ourselves, everyone seeks a 'friendly' AME from the first ever physical and nothing changes. Hopefully, when self assessing if a problem arises, an appropriate doctor is consulted. ALPA is very hypocritical on many issues, but this one is not only appalling, but embarassing. The only reason 'they' were so vehement in their opposition to the FAA sleep apena proposal is that thousands would be grounded on the very next physical and the COST to 'the association' would be staggering. It's so nice to be retired, fly day VFR and not have 'management' lurking around doing their 'managing'.

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    Jimmy11,
    I'm envious of you retired guys and can't wait myself. I still have at least 13 years to go if I go early at 55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy11 View Post
    It's so nice to be retired, fly day VFR and not have 'management' lurking around doing their 'managing'.
    AMEN BROTHER!!!
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    However, I do miss the Hog.
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