Results 1 to 40 of 40

Thread: incident at Johnson Creek????

  1. #1
    fatcub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Enumclaw, WA.
    Posts
    229
    Post Thanks / Like

    incident at Johnson Creek????

    I am getting reports here of an Incident involving a pacer. You guys on the ground over there know anything??
    PA-12 Fat Cub

  2. #2
    irishfield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Penetanguishene, Ontario Canada
    Posts
    2,944
    Post Thanks / Like
    I know about it here in Ontario as my Colorado buddy was landing behind them. Best I keep my lips shut and let someone with first hand reply to what the situation is now.

  3. #3
    SJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Kansas City, USA
    Posts
    14,544
    Post Thanks / Like
    Yes there was an accident today, only one aircraft involved. There were injuries but we believe that both guys will recover. Out of respect of all involved let's not speculate about it until we have all the details. sj
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
    ------------------------------------------

  4. #4
    fatcub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Enumclaw, WA.
    Posts
    229
    Post Thanks / Like
    Thanks Steve, Hopefully they will be around the campfire soon with you guys.

    Scott..
    PA-12 Fat Cub

  5. #5
    soyAnarchisto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    Posts
    570
    Post Thanks / Like
    glad nothing too serious - you guys fly safe

  6. #6
    barbwire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    SD/AK
    Posts
    328
    Post Thanks / Like
    If anyone has information on the health of those involved it would be appreciated. Don't really care about the details but would like to know if they are alright and out of the hospital at least.

  7. #7
    pzinck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    western,me
    Posts
    2,093
    Post Thanks / Like
    I agree . At one time some pertinent info would be shared. Conjecture or speculation could be left out. Sounds like it is politically incorrect to even share the facts.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    7
    Post Thanks / Like
    nothing has been said on any of the three sites I frequent.. it's almost as though the over 100 aircraft owners in attendance were told to not discuss this... I would like to know if this was an approach to landing accident, a ground loop, or what... I agree it has become somewhat politically incorrect to discuss or even mention anyof these mishaps..but then again it's why I avoid fly ins....

  9. #9
    SJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Kansas City, USA
    Posts
    14,544
    Post Thanks / Like
    Folks, I think people are just being respectful here - and they don't have good internet in Johnson creek. I don't have current information on the condition of these fellows and I think we should wait until we have that. There is no conspiracy to keep information off of here, just the same kind of respect any of us would want were it us in the situation.

    sj
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
    ------------------------------------------

  10. #10
    PerryB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Northern Calif.
    Posts
    1,797
    Post Thanks / Like
    It was an attempted go-around executed too late. Unable to clear the trees.
    After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF !

  11. #11

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Valdez, Alaska
    Posts
    637
    Post Thanks / Like
    Sometimes I feel things are better left unsaid. People often want to glob onto the negative, rather then focus on the positive...additionally we see folks ready to relish and post photos of others mishaps. Glad the folks survived...carry on Folks...hope to make Johnson Creek someday...
    .

  12. #12
    kestrel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Southern NH
    Posts
    304
    Post Thanks / Like
    Sweeping events like this under the rug and focusing on only the positive is a recipe for repeating history. People want to learn from others so as to avoid making the same mistakes.

    Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk
    --
    Bearhawk, RV-4

  13. #13
    n40ff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    WV
    Posts
    907
    Post Thanks / Like
    Ditto. NTSB report will not be secret either...... Whatever. Post #10 is enough for me. Thanks.

  14. #14
    kestrel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Southern NH
    Posts
    304
    Post Thanks / Like
    Agreed about #10. That is the objective facts I was interested in. However, #10 appears to go against politics.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    --
    Bearhawk, RV-4

  15. #15
    SJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Kansas City, USA
    Posts
    14,544
    Post Thanks / Like
    There is a very big difference in "sweeping under the rug" and giving family, etc the benefit of knowing what happened first, and knowing all the facts.
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
    ------------------------------------------

  16. #16

    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    7
    Post Thanks / Like
    agreed all i needed was post #10

  17. #17
    Cub@H20's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    150
    Post Thanks / Like
    I agree it has become somewhat politically incorrect to discuss or even mention anyof these mishaps..but then again it's why I avoid fly ins....


    Okay, I'll bite. How does political correctness enter into reporting on an incident/accident, irrespective of the reporter's accuracy of what occurred?

  18. #18
    RaisedByWolves's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    3,770
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by PerryB View Post
    It was an attempted go-around executed too late. Unable to clear the trees.
    That's what happened. Anymore is speculation, which is what SJ is trying to avoid.

  19. #19
    Lisa Martin LMartin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Coeur d'Alene, ID
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    I don't see PCness, I think it is being a polite and respectful human being and fellow pilot to let those involved be allowed to tell their story. I read something about that once, in an Alaska flying book (an unwritten Alaska pilot code of conduct), and it makes sense. S**t happens. Sometimes it is pilot error and sometimes there are other factors that the pilot can't fully mitigate, hopefully they all heal completely and fly again.

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Corvallis, Oregon
    Posts
    45
    Post Thanks / Like
    Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, lots of emotions at this time. I was the pilot, received a broken arm stiches above the hairline and facial, shoulder and bruising to my feet. Jeff, who was with me broke his left arm, left leg, 2 ribs and his nose. as well as stiches to his nose and bruises. Very glad for all the help and care we received from all of you after the accident. I have been thanking our lord constantly that no one on the ground was hurt, and Jeff and I are alive. Clearly it was a mistake to try a go around at JC with density altitude and a 135hp Pacer. I was told getting low was key while flying the pattern in to JC. Turned final and saw I was high, slipped it down when I should have gone around then. after that it was one thing wrong after another. Very sorry to put a damper on your weekend.


    Glenn
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin

  21. #21
    Hardtailjohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Marion, MT
    Posts
    695
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glad you didn't get hurt anymore than you did! Thanks for the report!

  22. #22
    mvivion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bozeman,MT
    Posts
    10,435
    Post Thanks / Like
    The primary key in any aviation operation is to be ABLE to tell the story after the fact.

    Congratulations on surviving a tough situation...I'm sure we all wish you a speedy recovery.

    MTV
    Last edited by mvivion; 06-22-2015 at 11:41 AM.

  23. #23
    SJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Kansas City, USA
    Posts
    14,544
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn, it was very hard to witness, and we are all very relieved that you are both alive.

    sj
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
    ------------------------------------------

  24. #24
    aktango58's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    18AA
    Posts
    9,057
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn,

    MTV said it well, being able to tell the story is the most important part of the equation. Glad you and your friend are alive and will heal.

    Many of us have a story or two to tell about things going bad, so don't feel alone or beat yourself up about it.

    Bill Rusk talked about his scare on the river a few years ago, it was a good education for many of us - we were all glad he had survived that. Maybe some day in the future you can help others avoid the situation you found yourself in.

    Until then, heal up and keep the faith!
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

  25. #25

    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Meanwhile,...
    Posts
    4,997
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn,

    The two of you will have great stories for years to come and at this point it's nothing that some paperwork, some good Burbon, some time, and something your new hat won't help fix.

    Wear it with pride and humility, because you can... I know I do!

    Kirby
    Last edited by OLDCROWE; 06-22-2015 at 09:52 AM.

  26. #26
    Bill Rusk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Spokane Felts Field, WA/Poplar Grove, (Chicago) IL
    Posts
    5,215
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn and Jeff

    Thank the Lord you will be OK!! I know the hurt. Been there, done that. I am so very thankful you are here. I will pray for your healing, both physically and emotionally. God Blessed you, and us, with your life. Next time I'm in Portland I'll buy you a beer, and you know you are always welcome at the house for R and R anytime.

    Thank you Lord and please Bless Glenn and Jeff.

    Bill
    Very Blessed.

  27. #27
    Bugs66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Spokane WA
    Posts
    2,309
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn, some time needs to pass but you'll get it sorted out. Missed you down at the shooting pit yesterday. Put lead down range for ya. Get well soon buddy!

  28. #28
    574cub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Eagle River AK
    Posts
    149
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn try and keep your head up. Easter before last I bent my cub luckily no one was hurt. It still makes me mad to this day. The new fuselage will be done in a couple weeks. Planes can be replaced or rebuilt the important thing is your both here to tell your story and fly again.

  29. #29
    soyAnarchisto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    Posts
    570
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glad it wasn't worse.

  30. #30
    barbwire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    SD/AK
    Posts
    328
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn, thanks for posting the health update and glad all will heal and return to their families.
    What Bill said above!! ----- By the grace of God.

  31. #31
    n40ff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    WV
    Posts
    907
    Post Thanks / Like
    Yes, so glad you are still with us.


    Had another one on the Biplane forum. I relay his accident here because it be the type flying(scouting) more commonly done in a cub? He "Moose Stalled" his Acroduster 2 Hot/High, Low/Slow. He stalled, recovered but realized he couldn't clear trees so he "stuffed"(his words) it into brush. Absolutely totaled but he went home to his family.

    His post,

    "I stalled it in a bank at low level checking out one of my companies worksites. I recovered quickly, but it was hot and I was at 4,500' ASL. I was recovering but would not have cleared the trees in front of me. I cut the power and stuffed it into some brush. There was about two seconds between realizing I was done, and the Big Bang where a lot ran through my mind. Why it didn't go boom I have no idea. I can't say enough about how tough that little plane was. The truss design on the top wing, and all the extra framework saved my life. A passenger would not have made it though. Pretty much crumpled to my feet. I am 6'2" and 200lbs. What I learned from this is that it doesn't just always happen to someone else! "

    Gets my attention!

    Be careful out there! I know our mates have learned very likely "their" lessons, I hope the rest of us learn from their mistakes. The Acroduster incident may indeed help to save my life. I just finished mine and now am doing the paperwork/FAA routine.......I've heard of it's lack of stall warning so Low/Slow scares the S... out of me! This friends mistake has put a big ! on my concern for sure!

    Jack
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Acroduster%2520Crash (799x799).jpg 
Views:	205 
Size:	353.5 KB 
ID:	20701  
    Last edited by n40ff; 06-23-2015 at 07:25 AM.

  32. #32
    Anne's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    SE Michigan
    Posts
    1,685
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn, so glad you're both alive and with injuries that will heal. Hoping for a quick and full recovery for both of you.

    Anne.
    Baloney is still baloney, no matter how thin you slice it.

  33. #33
    Lisa Martin LMartin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Coeur d'Alene, ID
    Posts
    53
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glad your ok. I had one that hurt my pride and bent my right gear a year ago. Landing on a road, I bumped the right brake (wearing snow boots) and it locked. I applied go around power, but after jerking hard right, the right gear hit the ditch/hill at a 45* angle at take off speed. My pride was hurt, my pocketbook was hurt...but they were nothing compared to the nightmare the Montana FSDO put me through. I wanted to deal with them honestly and just like any average GA pilot. I found out that the FAA, at least in Montana, wants to revoke pilot certificates, even though I broke no regs. It was my fault, I wasn't quick enough to correct the situation that 15' wide landing site. Luckily, my husband has been a 135 pilot for many years, so I started calling FAA reps that we know in other states. I was getting bullied big time and knowing that, and having advice on what my rights were and exactly what I needed to tell them calmed me down a lot. Hopefully your state is better, still, if you haven't already, get on AOPA Pilot Protective Services and line up a lawyer. Lisa

  34. #34

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Troy, Ks
    Posts
    4
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glad to hear everyone is going to be ok and praying for a speedy recovery.

  35. #35
    cafi19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    MO longer CT :-)
    Posts
    1,750
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn,

    We are so relieved that the two of you are ok. I'm sure you are still raw with emotion but hang in there. It will get better. As others have said, we too are praying for your speedy recovery!

    Thanks for sharing your first hand account!!!

    cafi

  36. #36
    jaypratt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Fort Worth, TX
    Posts
    373
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glen and Jeff, so glad you will recover. Hope you will fly again soon.
    Jay Pratt
    Paul Revere, Borrowed Horse, & Shooter

  37. #37
    windy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    629
    Post Thanks / Like
    Glenn, it's a relief to know you and Jeff will recover. Bent planes can be fixed, but friends are priceless. Praying for your speedy recovery, my friend.
    windy

  38. #38

    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Posts
    1
    Post Thanks / Like
    Folks, This is Jeff, I was with Glenn in the Pacer. I am also a pilot. Glenn and I have been friends for only a few months and he asked me to go on this Johnson Creek fly in with his buddy Dennis and Terry. (Great people!). I can tell you this. This entire cub community is full of very thoughtful and caring people. I am blessed to have been introduced to a few of you. During the approach to Johnson Creek, Glenn did everything he felt was right at the time. There were a lot of decisions that had to be made quickly. We had 5 planes in front of us, 4 behind us, lots of planes on the ground. A ton of things to process and then add in 8500 ft density altitude, it gets tricky quick with a low powered pacer. It was impossible to see in front of us, so it was hard to judge that critical point for a go around.

    I am thankful to be here today to tell a great story. Glenn and I will heal, it's just bones and bruises and we'll remain great friends. I am already up and walking (with a walker) and have a ton of friends and family taking care of everything for me. I will get some nose work done in a month or so. Both legs and arm are healing up good and I can get to the bathroom on my own!!! Each day I realize how fortunate I am to be surrounded by such great great people. I'll get back to Johnson Creek someday and meet a bunch of you and I look forward to it.

    Jeff

  39. #39
    fatcub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Enumclaw, WA.
    Posts
    229
    Post Thanks / Like
    Jeff, when I started this thread I feared the worse for you 2. I had already heard through the coconut telegraph about it. We are all in your corners and giving our good karma up for you guys to use. Thank goodness, it sounds like your taking advantage of it and cashing it in.

    Take care.
    Scott...
    PA-12 Fat Cub

  40. #40
    Steve Pierce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Graham, TX
    Posts
    18,638
    Post Thanks / Like
    Jeff, So glad you are healing. I was crossing midfield when I saw you guys impact the tree. Having been in a similar accident I can imagine some of what you have experienced thus far. I was pretty concerned if I could get back in the air. Luckily those fears were squashed when my Dad took me up in a Super Cub with my leg, still in a brace, sticking out the door. Wishing you a speedy recovery both physically and mentally.
    Steve Pierce

    Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
    Will Rogers

Similar Threads

  1. How I would get to Johnson Creek...
    By aktango58 in forum Super Cub Repair Facilities
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-17-2011, 07:23 AM
  2. J-3s at Johnson Creek?
    By stearmann4 in forum Cafe Supercub
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 03-19-2011, 10:59 AM

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •