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    These are lithium-ion batteries. The good ones are lithium-iron.
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    Yes Sir...you're right Sky...wonder if that's a spelling error...one silly little "r" can make a difference. I had a professor that didn't care about spelling as long as you get the point across...it clearly matters here!
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    Low, I suspect that is the correct spelling as it mentions Boeing as being the only other entity which had them approved. AND it was the bad ones which Boeing was using. It's easy to get them wrong as people don't pronounce words the same as the next person. These two different battery compounds always seem to be pronounced the same, even by being abbreviated to "Lithium". I made up a little phrase to remember it by. "Strong like Iron".
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    That makes it easy to remember regardless of how it's said.
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    Happy St Patrick's Day!!
    Tip a brew or two after wheels down for the day!!

    Spring like weather is here in North Idaho and the weather guessers say we're loosing an inch of snow per day so we're moving in the right direction!! Shorts weather can't be far behind.
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    Back to aeroplanes...warmer weather is getting some planes in the air and pilots out of the house. Some off and on rain is holding up putting my walls up and I bumped the truss delivery a couple weeks due to road weight restriction...pretty much like AK but hopefully will open up sooner.

    I had another discussion with a couple AI's, one of which used to build VW race engines back in the day...he's a fan of Vdubs in the planes and he's making me think about putting one in my little Challenger Long Wing in place of the 2 stroke 503 again. Last time I brought this up we (those who responded) were pretty much in favor of Lyc or Cont. in place of the Rotax. Guess I'm still looking for pro's and con's to get 60+ hp on the little airplane. Weight and CG are not really an issue for the Challenger since I almost always fly solo anyway and the long wing has a pretty healthy gross weight/useful load.

    Any thoughts??
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    Well, the lack of response certainly prevents dispute.

    One of the contentions raised during the VW discussion was that a "designed for airplane" air cooled engine that had it's roots in an opposed German car engine using modern design, technique and materials should be just as reliable as any Lyc or Cont., both of which have had design improvements and upgrades over the years. I stand by that thought since my Harley's engine doesn't in the least resemble a 1903 or early motorcycle engine but it is still a 2 holer "V" and air cooled...argument seems to hold water.

    New airplane engines designed in the last few years resemble car engine evolution and not following old style airplane movers. Maybe that makes sense to follow auto technology that improves on an almost daily basis.
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    Well, I was thinking of building a Heath Parasol until it became apparent that it would be difficult to get a Henderson motorcycle engine in a good airworthy condition.
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    https://www.ebay.com/i/153437170755?chn=ps and a good machinist can solve that problem for you. I'd like to follow that build!!
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    Sorry I've been AWOL but the house is coming along...roof is on and I'm half way thru the siding. Electrical rough-in is mostly done and just about finished interior framing and trying to get inspections behind me so we can get insulation and sheet rock underway.

    Haven't lost interest in the LSA and with any luck I'll be back on it when the snow flies. Keep the faith!
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    The curse of being handy. I know guys who aren't handy, hire everything done but seem to have all the time in the world. They always say, "I wish I could do that." My response, "You can, but be careful what you wish for." You'll get what you think is important to you done. It might not be in the time frame or order you were hoping for, but does it really matter? As long as you have a to do list and enjoy working on the list more or less.

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    You're right Jim...sometimes it is a curse. My son and I are doing 90% of the work and it's great having his help and he's learning new skills and he grumbles a bit but still likes to be working with me...that makes it all worthwhile. I grew up working with my Dad building houses in the 50's/60's in Central Florida and the feeling of accomplishment is still there...I just can't work as fast or hard as I did back then. With the help of our state plumbing inspector we both learned enough to get thru that...NOT that I want to become a plumber...one day at a time and things get done.
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    Getting propane hook up in the morning and will have hydronic heat and hot water by the end of the day. We're making good progress but still won't be complete until the first of the year. Just getting started on the cedar ceiling in the "great room" and still have about 900 SF of Pergo XP flooring to get down...old back, knees and other parts are not exactly happy about it but we'll be doin it anyway. Back sidewalks and patio concrete get a run of hydronic tubes to keep the snow melted but still have the 6' snowblower ready to hookup on the little orange tractor front end loader and blow the stuff away from the house. Heat in the shop feels good but the hanger isn't insulated yet and probably won't be for awhile. 4 kayaks, 2 canoes and 13' Alaska Kaboat are pushed into the corners and will be hung up from the trusses before too long. Harley and dirt bikes were sorely neglected this summer as were the boats...no hunting this Fall but I did get good look at a full grown cougar a couple miles from the house...a neighbor shot a very nice one about 3 years ago while he (the cougar) was breaking into the chicken house. My wife got a Golden Doodle for last Christmas and it sure isn't a hunting doggie so maybe I need a new German Short Hair pup from Santa.

    Wishing everyone a great and pretty Fall, good health, blue skies and calm winds...I remain...Lowrider... with at least one plane to finish.
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    Don't get excited yet, but my house is almost done, less the variety of concrete around the outside of the house which will wait for Spring thaw. The plan is to get the shop and hanger squared away as soon as possible (they are FULL of stuff which my wife refers to as "crap" but in reality is very valuable items), take a few Spring motorcycle trips (Harley or Goldwing) since I have only had one long trip in the last 3 years. I need to get the uncovered wing in the jig, rob a bank to get money to buy alum skin (building house is expensive) and dust off the other parts of the Lowrider LSA with the intent of finishing it in this lifetime. Other distractions include fishing, a canoe trip or two, another camping trip to Moab and general area, riding the Road to the Sun in Glacier NP and eating that wonderful Montana beef while in the area...Whitefish has a great steak house or did last time I was there.

    Plans are focused and I plan to execute in some orderly fashion...more to follow.

    Stay warm...Spring is coming!
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    Got the backhoe on the tractor today and ready to dig some footers for the back patio and front walk. Still planning to put hydronic PEX tubes on top of the 4" foam under the patio to melt snow/ice in the winter. #1 son is pressing hard for me to use solar to heat the slab but I'm borderline sure we don't get enough sunlight here in the winter to provide the heat necessary to heat the 4" slab and melt snow. Besides, my wife doesn't want to look at ugly collectors while sitting on the patio. I'd love to use sun power instead of propane to heat the slab...not convinced it will work. Or, gerbils on a treadmill but then you must feed the little critters and there is probably a gerbil workers union that wants their cut too.

    Life is great but complex at times.
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    I've been using solar thermal panels for rad heat for 35 years, but not for preventing snow build up on an outdoor slab. You are correct, that is a poor application for them. For that you really need a trick controller that will anticipate the temp drop and preemptively, or nearly so, warm the slab enough to PREVENT any build up to start with. Eliminating it after the fact takes a whole lot more BTU's. I have 6 on my shop/hangar, and 3 on my home, so am quite familiar with what they can do.

    I've never had enough spare cash to consider a auto slab melt system, I also don't try and heat my house with the doors and window open. A similar concept, it takes a LOT of BTU's (from any source), and the only times I've seen it used to any practical advantage was on VERY high end projects, the Sun Valley ski area lodge for instance.

    When I wanted a power source for my crane shed's rad floor system, rather then go with thermal hot water solar panels, I installed a 2 KW PV system. Thanks to my utilities grid tie arrangement, I am able to keep the slab (in a well insulated building, not outside) at 50 degrees all winter, using a small electric boiler, using the KWH credits I build up spring, summer, and fall. I just shut the system down last week, having used all my credits, but not having to pay for even 1 KWH, now my balance will start building again. A very simple system, as compared to thermal plumbing, takes up less space also.
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    Hey Courier!!
    GLad to hear you're doing well!!

    I'm guessing you folks down south get a bit more sun in the Fall and Spring than we do up here. Two other issues, both involving trees...the ones that shade the house/patio and my neighbor's trees across the taxiway that shade my hanger and some of the shop in the Winter when the sun heads South and drops down low. Summer time I get plenty of direct sun when I don't need to melt snow or heat anything. I told my neighbor that when he comes back from Arizona in the spring he may find his trees laying and not standing...he was not receptive of that idea. I took down 85 trees to clear for the house, shop and hanger and I don't want to cut anymore. I have considered using electric solar panel for my shop heat and I could sell to the coop in the summer but I couldn't get a break even point to make it worthwhile.

    STILL thinking about solar and thanks a lot for the explanation on your heat/power from the sun!! If you get up this way, by all means stop in.
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    Just watched Bill Rush's AK videos. If you haven't seen them they are worth an hour out of your day. Just walked out to the hanger to make sure I put float fittings on my fuselage and I did. Makes me want to start building floats but I suppose I need to finish the airplane first.

    I got started on a brief re-carb job on my DRZ-400 and as usual it's turned out to be a much bigger project than I anticipated. Harley and Gold Wing are both available but not worthy of off road work in Moab.

    Wife is not happy I'm not planning a vacation this summer or that if I do, it may be without her...must compromise. Still have hanger work to do and need to get busy on the LSA. Just not enough room or time...downsizing is a bitch and my wife has too much stuff!

    Hope everyone is well and had a nice Easter under the circumstances.
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    Lowrider, if you don't quit working on all that domestic stuff, you'll never finish your plane! That stuff can wait.

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    Don,

    You're so right and I keep telling my wife that and seem to get further behind as a result.

    She asked me to get the 18" diameter fir stump out of the front yard (or what will be) so I jumped on the chore first thing this morning. Had the backhoe on the tractor and it seemed to be 1 hour job and everything went well until I got on the 3rd side of the stump when I grabbed a root about 4" in diameter, started to curl the bucket,heard a grinding noise and I lost all hydraulic power. Climbed off the backhoe and looked at the PTO hydraulic pump and saw a small crack on the side of the pump gear box that didn't used to be there and fair amount of grease was ooozing out of crack that was suppose to be inside the gear box. Pump appeared to be fine but the gear box was trash.

    Don, this just reinforces your point...domestic chores suck and should be ignored in favor of airplane work. Now, I must fix the backhoe and still don't have the damn stump out of the ground...some days there is no justice. I can't lift the boom up out of the hole and can't remove it from the tractor to replace the gear box. Tomorrow may be a good day to go fishing since it's day 21 of a 3 week "stay home" thing that seemed like a good idea at the time and that would rule out domestic work.
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    Just realized the boat's in the hanger with a pallet of cedar in front of it and I need to put the forks on the tractor loader to move the cedar so I can go fishing...life isn't always fair!!
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    Well, it looks as though you are stuck and can only work on your airplane!
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    Hey Sky!!

    Good to hear from you!!

    Logic would dictate in that direction but if I could post a picture of my shop you would understand my problem...STUFF! I went from a 4400 sf house to 1800 sf and the shop went from 2400 sf to 2000 sf and there is a 50' door between the hanger and shop which isn't suitable for shelve and benches. I think I have found most of the big parts to the plane and I left off with getting ready to cover the other wing which requires some fair amount of space...ain't as simple as it sounds.

    I'm trying to not whine about my shop should have been bigger than 40' x 50' and it will resolve itself...whine, whine, whine!!!
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    It came to my attention, rather it was brought to my attention repeatedly that I have some work to do on the house, the shop, the hanger, my mower, my tractor and two other neglected aircraft that can't fly at the moment. Oh yeah, there's the yard landscaping, 2 large stumps and dead-fall, the driveway...you get the point.

    My 170 is stuck in Ohio and my Challenger needs a new engine which I plan to upgrade to make it more suited to float flying. If I win the lottery I will pay someone to deal with these issues. Until then, I need to get some priorities set that don't call for immediately working on the LSA. I worked yesterday in the shop and cleared a 30' x 15' space and I can actually see the floor, all the time looking at the LSA wing hanging on the wall that needs to be skinned.

    I need to get some other stuff done before I can concentrate on the LSA. I may not be the only person faced with decisions such as this but I DON"T LIKE IT...where's that lotto ticket anyway.
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    Good news, bad news. #1 son and I took my flatbed trailer behind the little Nissan Frontier to Eastern Ohio where my 170 was stuck for 5 years, pulled the wings and loaded it on the trailer and headed back home. Great people at the airport but really sucky weather...over a 100F "feel like" temps but then I guess most of the folks on the East Coast experienced it too so I'll stop whining. I may never go East of the Missouri River again. Wonderful to get back to cool dry weather in Northern Idaho. Made room in the hanger and put the 170 fuselage and wings inside. After several days of looking, measuring and looking some more I'm pretty well convinced that not only is the right landing gear box bent it looks like the fuselage is also twisted. Did it happen when I ran off the runway in Delaware or was it torqued in a wind storm while tied down in Ohio? I suppose it really doesn't matter at this point...question is...what to do now.

    I've thought about putting the 170 wings and original 145 horse Conti engine (350 hours to TBO and runs like a sewing machine) on the Lowrider LSA, but then I have one mostly done wing built and another pretty much ready to skin. Also i have a half yellow tagged 0-320 getting close to sending the jugs off to get worked over to get at least the 160 hp and hopefully more. I'm not worried about the 51% rule but then the 170 wing is NOT as good performance wise as the LSA wing design and it's a 1948 metalized wing with no apparent problems, smaller flaps and different attach points. What to do...what to do??

    Yesterday, in a weak moment, I went motorcycle shopping. I stumbled upon a pristine Suzuki 1250 Bandit with 7500 miles for a very good price and bought it. I had a 2002 1200 cc Bandit and gave it to #2 son while he was in college with the idea of him giving it back when he graduated. Well, that day came and went and I got the "can I keep it Dad?" question and in a weak moment I agreed.

    There's something about a bike that's faster than your airplanes to clear your head. I'm anticipating a moment of clarity soon!!
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