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Likes: Except for that thing we refer to as “The ball”?Originally Posted by skywagon8a
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Except for that thing we refer to as “The ball”?
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If they even look at it. In most jets it's built into the bottom of another instrument. And the airplane usually is well coordinated without pushing pedals. I suspect (pure speculation on my part) that this pilot likely didn't see it or understand it's meaning.
NX1PA
Unless he was military, he likely did not learn to fly in jets so he should have SOME understanding of coordination - I would hope. All the new glass panels in small planes de-emphasize the coordination indicator (fancy word for "the ball"). For example, it is stuck at the top of the G5 and is hard for some to see.
sj
"Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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Yes, amazingly, the Air Force's primary trainer now is a turboprop, with a full time yaw damper to simulate jet-like control inputs from the git go. Why the AF feels it's too hard to train pilots that they don't have to worry about P-Factor, torque, etc even initially is beyond me.
Sometime in the 90s, I flew with an Air France 747 Captain in my C-170 on floats for a SES add on. He was a delight to fly with, but before we got in the plane the first time, he warned me that he'd never flown an airplane with a propeller. I was blown away, and asked him how that was even possible. He noted that he'd learned to fly in the Armee de l'Aire, and their primary trainer was a pure jet.
Now, the 170 on those big PeeKay B2300s was pretty yaw unstable anyway, but he bounced me off the side wall of that plane initially, laughing all the while, and yelling: "Stupeed French Jet Pilot, cannot fly for sheet!". Fortunately, he was a pretty quick study, and figured out what rudders are for in a couple lessons. But flying with him was an eye opener, and ultimately, a pure delight.
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Local PA-18 floatplane that demos for the tourist industry and offers training damaged today. No other info.
Gary
Rivers, fast with runoff can bite….
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ST. ANTHONY (KXNET) — A private plane contracted by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) crashed in a field south of County Road 136 and west of St. Anthony early Tuesday morning.
According to the Morton County Sheriff’s Office, the plane, a Piper Super Cub, was sent to dispatch coyotes at the landowner’s request and while flying, the plane stalled when the pilot was attempting to maneuver a turn at a low altitude, which is believed to have caused the crash.
The pilot and a passenger both sustained minor injuries but did not have to be transported for medical care. The plane received major damage.
The crash remains under investigation by the Morton County Sheriff’s Office and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
Another win for the coyotes. Glad the crew wasn’t badly injured…..
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The Feds charge an aircraft operator criminally for flying without a license following an accident.
There must be a lot more to this story.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ak/pr/w...ing-2022-crash
Alex,
Yes, there is....see this earlier thread on that subject: https://www.supercub.org/forum/showt...t=feds+serious
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Beep beep!
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Evolution in action...the coyotes have learned to shoot back!
Cessna Skywagon-- accept no substitute!
Them animals know exactly how to pivot to sucker the pilot into a low altitude stall.
Sheriff: 2 Cirrus employees dead in rural Duluth plane crash https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2023...h-plane-crash/
I believe one was a member here.
Thoughts and prayers to the families. RIP
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Dang, I know Bryan. Thoughts and prayers to both families.
Steve Pierce
Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
Will Rogers
Oh no! Bryan has been a member here for years. What a nice man - so very sad.
sj
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How awful to hear….prayers to the families.
Blue Skys and Tail Winds
Remember, These are the Good old Days!
Bryan has been a SC.Org friend as well as FB Friend for years. Today is Bryan's Birthday. How Awful for his family. Blue Skys, Green Grass and Tailwinds Bryan!
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a well preserved body but rather to slide in sideways, well used up proclaiming "WOW What a Ride"
Small floatplane crashes near Beaver Island in Lake Michigan…passenger perishes pilot survived. Sad
https://upnorthlive.com/news/local/s...-beaver-island
Very sad. Look at the lending gear position. It's not up nor fully down.
NX1PA
“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
Looks like a P40.
Steve Pierce
Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
Will Rogers
MN guy. Probably a Fagen surplus bird they sold. Quite sad. Plane well intact
“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
Yes, it was a Fagan rebuilt P-40.
Also yesterday: https://www.grandforksherald.com/new...in-polk-county
Another ugly one. Pilot was one of my former students and a very good stick, with years of experience in this airplane. Sad deal. Tailwinds, friend.
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Tragic. Condolences to his family and friends for their loss.
The photo of the P40 isn’t very clear, but doesn’t it look like the front windshield and top of the cockpit is missing. Could he have attempted an emergency/precautionary off-field landing and came across an unseen barbed wire fence? Doesn’t it otherwise appear to be a successful belly landing?
Saw another picture somewhere and it was on fire. The article said engine loss on takeoff
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One of the things I did not like about Aerocet floats, about the only thing, is that they don't lock the wheels up into the floats. Lose hydraulic pressure and the mains sag outside of the floats.Very sad. Look at the lending gear position. It's not up nor fully down.
No idea if this might be the cause, but this is why mirrors are so important.
I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!
Beaver Bristol 4580 amphibs had no up locks. I had a hyd. line pop a leak just as I touched down in Karluk Lake. I’d done final gear check just prior, and pumped up pressure, which is likely what caused the leak. Plane did a HARD left turn as left main came down first. Totally helpless at that point, the thing I distinctly recall was seeing the right wing tip handling line ring cutting through the water just before I hit the bank. The shore likely saved me from a swim or worse. Slid up on the bank right next to the passengers waiting for a ride.
One of my brilliant moments was climbing out of that beast and asking if those folks were ready to head to town. No takers.
Got the plane to ANC and uplocks were added, no questions asked.
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Fatal accident on Kodiak. Three survivors. https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...kodiak-island/
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Yesterday, a very nice Maule 180 got upside down on Turf 11 here in BZN. Folks, please understand that just because ATC clears you to land with a quartering tailwind, that does not imply you have to accept that clearance.
Because there is no ILS from the East here, ATC assigns runways 12 and 11 until they have a direct tailwind of 10 knots on those runways. And, winds here are frequently 320 to 340 at 12 +.
Remember an old mantra: ATC isn’t PIC.
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And same thing at uncontrolled. Just because everyone is doing it doesn’t mean you have to.
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Nose draggers follow other nose draggers.
How many tailwheel people do we know (I know of at least four) who have landed on the grass beside a runway to "save" their Bushwheels and ended up doing a teardown due to a ditch, culvert, airport sign, etc... Darwin did not only fly nosewheel airplanesNose draggers follow other nose draggers.
sj
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All of the bush modifications in the World do not take precedence over the use of the matter between the earphones which does not require an STC or FA.How many tailwheel people do we know (I know of at least four) who have landed on the grass beside a runway to "save" their Bushwheels and ended up doing a teardown due to a ditch, culvert, airport sign, etc... Darwin did not only fly nosewheel airplanes
sj
NX1PA
Seen too many people land here and follow the masses instead of choosing the runway into the wind favoring 75x5000 over 50x3317. So a brand new pilot tear up a 172 on his first flight with his wife coming here for BBQ. I often wonder if she ever flew with him again cause she was pissed.
That is very sad and makes me wonder where and from whom he received his instruction and took his flight test? There must have been something lacking in his training and certification.
NX1PA
There is a lot about aviation that can intimidate a relatively new or inexperienced pilot. Our ATC routinely issues landing clearances based on “Policy”. That said, we have a crosswind runway, and ATC will authorize operations in the grass next to it upon request. And that grass area, while a bit rough, is easy on 31 inch Bushwheels.
Generally, ATC folks are willing to help. Yesterday, I wasn’t enthused about departing with a “light quartering tailwind”, which in mountainous country can almost instantly become a “strong” wind. I called Ground and asked if departing the crossing runway into that breeze would work for them….at their busiest time of day. “You may expect a delay of no more than five minutes for traffic.” I’ll take that EVERY day. In fact, they got me out in less than two minutes.
When in doubt, ask. Part of the problem here are those “Winds variable at five” calls on the ATIS. Remember, the ATIS is recorded once per hour, unless a Special is required.
Don’t be a Sheeple. Exercise your authority as PIC.
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But so often an act of congress.
I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!
If we are honest with ourselves I’d bet every single one of us has done something really stupid in their first 500 PIC hours that could easily have caused an outcome that would be mentioned in the Opps Thread. Even after logging a couple thousand hours I’ve kissed the ground a number of times thankful to be alive.
Or was it just me?
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