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mvivion said:
Respectfully, I’ll beg to disagree. Today, many pilots are not taught even the rudiments of aerodynamics, or stall/spin aerodynamics. In fact, many pilots were never taught proper use of the controls. In short, we’re doing a pretty good job of teaching students how to manage a GPS, but we seem to be failing them when it comes to LOC avoidance.

And those folks become flight instructors……

MTV
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Yes! Primary flight instruction in the US is in bad shape!


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A friend who had been a Coast Guard officer said he respected his swimmers even more than his pilots. Jumping into heavy seas in the night hoping it's a 10 foot drop not 30. No tracking device on your person.
 
Skywalker said:
A friend who had been a Coast Guard officer said he respected his swimmers even more than his pilots. Jumping into heavy seas in the night hoping it's a 10 foot drop not 30. No tracking device on your person.
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Takes a lot of confidence in yourself as well as confidence and trust in the crew you are leaving…


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According to Joe, the prop was sent to Sensenich, inspected, and found to have no damage. It is back on the airplane.
 
Some nasty storms with high winds ripped through Ely last night. Our Beavers rode it out alright, but this J4 tucked in next to the city dock on Shagawa ended up in the bushes. Sad day.

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Back to Snort… no one is bulletproof but you never expect it to be “that guy”.

A little more detail/info -

Fatal accident...
(24/July/2021)
- United States of America [emoji631] :
A SIAI Marchetti SM.1019B STOL plane, owned by 717 Aviation Inc, registration N28U, experienced an apparent departure stall and a subsequent impact with airport terrain at Lewiston-Nez Perce County Regional Airport (LWS/KLWS), Idaho.
The airplane sustained substantial damage and the sole pilot onboard, retired Navy Captain Dale “Snort” Snodgrass, was fatally injured.

ATC records show that the pilot was cleared to takeoff and about 30s later, he was heard yelling "Ahh! S**t! S**t", the tower cleared ground vehicles to the runway about seven seconds later.

The aircraft used a Rolls Royce/Allison 250-B17B turbine powered engine.

- Meters:
KLWS 241845Z AUTO 00000KT 9SM FEW065 29/02 A3009
KLWS 241850Z AUTO 03002KT 10SM FEW065 30/02 A3009
KLWS 241855Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT060 30/02 A3009
KLWS 241900Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT050 SCT065 30/02 A3007
KLWS 241905Z AUTO 07004KT 10SM FEW012 SCT050 SCT065 30/02 A3007
KLWS 241910Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW055 31/02 A3007

- Photo: aircraft com / Lewiston Tribune


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I downloaded the recording but didn't really want to talk about it. But, for what it's worth, the words sounded to me like, "Check! Check!"

Some have speculated about medical issues. His radio transmissions sounded very crisp and normal. One minor distraction was that he had to be reminded to change to tower frequency from ground. He did so promptly.

I'll add that one local who was there said it looked like an uncontrolled pitch up. No info on why.
 
That's not good. Thankfully they landed ok. Well, if they're compromised better to fix it than loose the occupants.

Gary
 
J3 fatal at Hartford , WI. Registered to Sharon Krog. Many of us know Steve from the Cub world and his column in EAA magazine. Reports say the female instructor perished and the male receiving instruction was seriously injured.
 
Watched two 206 pilots try to take off out of a semi-small lake and use more than the lake had to offer a couple days ago. Thankfully, only one succeeded.

The first pilot, after leaving a good 1/3 of the lake behind when he started his first run, continued to pull back to rotate- not lift a float. He got it stopped after he pulled power back with just enough room to turn around.

Light load it took him three or four tries, and I swear he about cartwheeled twice- but he got out of there finally.

Second plane loaded up three passengers, left a couple hundred yards behind on take off, tried twice to rotate, finally decided to lift a float- dropped it back in, tried again but was out of time. Did not pull off the power and hit the three feet bank at the end.

The plane made it about three hundred yards until it stalled one wing, came down turning then dug the nose and flipped.

God protects fools- my group was standing by the plane and included two ambulance EMTs very competent with accident trauma. We think we made it across the lake and to the crash in less than ten minutes. One serious head trauma, others were all able to walk.

This is serious business. If you don't know enough to roll floats instead of lift the nose more on floats- please get more instruction.


Oh- When in doubt, ferry out. Make two runs is always an option.
 
aktango58 said:
... semi-small lake ......... after leaving a good 1/3 of the lake behind when he started his first run........... left a couple hundred yards behind on take off.
This is serious business. If you don't know enough to roll floats instead of lift the nose more on floats- please get more instruction.


Oh- When in doubt, ferry out. Make two runs is always an option.
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Those who don't know, don't know they don't know.
 
Saw this in Bozeman when I got home from OSH.

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No idea what the story is. Wing tip and prop damage. Bummer, nice looking plane.

MTV
 

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I expect a reasonable amount of experience and professionalism from my peers flying out here. Some of the worst weather you can imagine, and lots of rivers and small lakes where you have to shuttle or drop one lake, pick up another. Both these guys had recent 135 check rides- and the basics of NOT PULLING BACK TO LIFT OFF in float operations was one of the first demonstrations we all got when learning to fly floats.

The one pilot said he had 5 years flying out of Anchorage with good recommendations.

Gary, yup, that was the one.

Sorry for my ranting guys. I am still in shock. Sitting on the bank watching a plane crash, knowing from before they applied power that they were making mistakes, and having no way to help correct any of them sucks.

Learn the basics, follow the basics, practice the basics and you will have reasonable results!
 
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