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    We had winds like that yesterday...around Houghton, MI (CMX) there was a highest recorded gust of 63mph. One of the weather stations off Maquette out in Lake Superior over 70mph

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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    Gusts to 49 at Birchwood last night, I put a truck in front of the 180. Merrill showed gusts to 38 but may have been a freak one that did not get recorded.
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    I was out at both Lake Hood and Merrill this morning looking after my and a few friend's planes. Gusts were 50+ I'd bet. The Merrill wind gauge must be funky because METARs showed way higher winds at Hood when it was actually way worse at Merrill.

    The cub broke its ropes from what I saw. Another Citabria had old weathered cam straps that the stitching pulled and it blew into a t-craft and a -12. A Pacer had old brittle ropes and it was getting up close and personal with a 172 for a bit there. Lots of tattered wing covers and bushwheel covers blown to the fence.
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    After two fubars in two years with 90 mph gusts I've gone to double roping everything preferably in different attach points

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    Ah, reminds me of the old saying “Cheapest thing in an airplane: The pilot”. How expensive is good rope?

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    Good rope and lift spoiler or at least vented covers? There's always some that buy regular covers then wonder why they blow up and off after bending the trailing edge of the wing. Lots of Cessna's around with concave upper ailerons from excessive cover tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    There's always some that buy regular covers then wonder why they blow up and off after bending the trailing edge of the wing.
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    on all the cub wings I build, if I have acmes to the wing covers, I add snaps in cover and on bottom leading edge to prevent cover from rolling back.... helps with spoiler covers allot...

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    Good idea on the snaps. So far my experience with a lengthwise ~3" air vent strip just aft of the leading edge is positive. Pointed into the wind the air gets caught by the under trailing edge of the solid wing or tail covers. It then flows under the them forward over the upper wing and exits the vent. Keeps the covers from blowing up off the wing much. I've also got an older set of 100% mesh spoiler covers that never move (or the plane for that matter) but melting snow can flow through and lightly ice the wing below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoxness View Post
    I was out at both Lake Hood and Merrill this morning looking after my and a few friend's planes. Gusts were 50+ I'd bet. The Merrill wind gauge must be funky because METARs showed way higher winds at Hood when it was actually way worse at Merrill.

    The cub broke its ropes from what I saw. Another Citabria had old weathered cam straps that the stitching pulled and it blew into a t-craft and a -12. A Pacer had old brittle ropes and it was getting up close and personal with a 172 for a bit there. Lots of tattered wing covers and bushwheel covers blown to the fence.
    Based on driving through Merrill about 7:30 - 8:15 yesterday, I'd have to estimate that (possibly) the steady wind and (certainly) the gusts were in excess of 50 mph. Saw 3 wind socks that were rock solid straight out and didn't flex at all unless there was shift in direction. When I stopped to get out of the vehicle, it was a serious effort to open the door against the wind.

    FWIW, 2 ea 20' sections and 1 ea 10' section of nylon rope with (IIRC) 4000' breaking strength cost about $50 (again, IIRC) at AIH mid-summer when I got new "go with the plane" rope.....maybe not the best for long-term use / repeated impact cycles, but cheap enough to use-replace-use during the stormy seasons.
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    Like my friend Joe says "I seen some chit today". Two military copters on low approach over a runway spaced L-R with R leading. Too soon a PA-18 on tires follows to land. They hit the right copter's wake (presumably) and lost half their altitude ~200>100 AGL instantly and rolled right. Sharp pilot rudders back level (I talked with them after) adds full power then climbs but re-centers left back over strip. Then again they presumably hit the wake of the second copter and roll left but not as far or fall as low. They then climb and return for successful landing.

    I knew and worked with the second pilot's father and know the passenger. Good experienced Alaskan pilots were that close to yet another Oops. Tower never mentioned wake turbulence I was told, but it's always a "save yourself first" deal anyway.

    After the copters passed the strip they flew over open water in a river to the south. Temp was -10F and their wake blew up a curtain of fog that remained for several minutes after the Cub landed.

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    Two Cubs collide in Texas. Glad the pilots got out.


    https://www.valleycentral.com/news/l...d-to-hospital/




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    Quote Originally Posted by tedwaltman1 View Post
    Two Cubs collide in Texas. Glad the pilots got out.


    https://www.valleycentral.com/news/l...d-to-hospital/



    Best of luck to both pilots. That’s a rough picture. To make lemons into lemon aid, their bellies and what’s left of the cubs were really clean.

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    Yikes! Both were conscious and transferred to a hospital. Looking at the picture, that is surprising.
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    Based on the photo, I’m not sure that I would have reported the airplanes to have “landed” after the mid-air collision.
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    Midair collision on Friday near T82 between two Bonanzas. A QB from the Kerrville hangar was killed.

    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/244719

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    Sounds like they did a good job. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAcaF5doFbA


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Sounds like they did a good job.


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    I got a notice of that when it happened, all electrics out, all hydraulics inop. They had just raised the gear so the emergency extend system obviously works. If only they had brakes or reversers. I bet it will be quite the challenge to move that plane from the soft ground. They must have to get all the Hyundai parts out to lighten the ship first.

    From what I read they had loss of control function due to cable damage, not knowing just what that damage was, Yes they did good.
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    You don't see this everyday!



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    Yakutat Airport has been a zoo grounds for years. In 1977 a couple of us going from Fairbanks to Juneau on the commercial milk run scared the nuggets out of some moose on the runway. The 737 made a low pass first to clear the runway.

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    Looks like illegal taking of game...... fly hunt same day.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mam90 View Post
    Looks like illegal taking of game...... fly hunt same day.....
    This does not apply if you have flown on a regularly scheduled commercial or commuter airplane At least it didn't get sucked into the fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Yakutat Airport has been a zoo grounds for years. In 1977 a couple of us going from Fairbanks to Juneau on the commercial milk run scared the nuggets out of some moose on the runway. The 737 made a low pass first to clear the runway.

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    It's all fenced now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    It's all fenced now.
    How did the bear get through the fence? Might be worth knowing....and how would they leave later? Article says "partially enclosed" but we know how accurate that can be. Now there'll be Gov't reaction.

    https://www.juneauempire.com/news/je...ng-in-yakutat/ and http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020_11_15_archive.html

    Same in Fairbanks. Moose, Fox, Lynx and whatever simply use the ungated entry points on the East Side.

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    Some cowling damage is a pretty lucky outcome. Hitting a brown bear with ANYthing going over 20 mph is going to leave a mark....those things are solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    How did the bear get through the fence?

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    bear, fence..??. not challenging...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    bear, fence..??. not challenging...
    Yes good point. Electricity helps discourage probing. But, if the runway is open to ingress per the articles then it's up to the Gov't to deal with it. They have not had much luck in Fairbanks where moose roam at leisure and return nightly when they need food in Spring. All the taxiways and runways here are open for game to travel if they're inclined and learn the airport's ungated entry points.

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    Should have been the Bears vs the Jets on Monday Night Football tonight, instead of Bears verses the Vikings.
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    In the case of the bears vs Alaska Airlines....what were the toe pickers doing prior to the 737 's arrival? All it takes is once over hundreds of evening's when Operations drives their vehicle to check for potential obstacles. Is there a potential for security or intrusion issue there? Fix it. If we pilots were the problem it'd be fodder for a lengthy incursion analysis and report.

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    MTV, the report said it was a sow and her cub estimated at two years old. Wouldn’t they ordinarily be in dens now? Or is Yakutat that much warmer that their denning period starts later? Didn’t look like a particularly fat bear in the pics I saw: maybe it was postponing hibernation in the hopes of putting on a few more pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedo View Post
    MTV, the report said it was a sow and her cub estimated at two years old. Wouldn’t they ordinarily be in dens now? Or is Yakutat that much warmer that their denning period starts later? Didn’t look like a particularly fat bear in the pics I saw: maybe it was postponing hibernation in the hopes of putting on a few more pounds.
    Yakutat is pretty warm, so doesn’t surprise me. And, like humans, bears are affected by all sorts of complications in their lives. Might have been an old gal, struggling to keep her last cub, or a young one with her first, or....? But, this time of year I wouldn’t be surprised to see brown bears out and about in coastal areas at all. Go deer hunting on Kodiak in November.....and keep an eye out.

    And, in any case, sows with Cubs, even big Cubs, have the toughest time prepping for the den. To keep that cub alive, she has to pass up many of the prime food sources because of other bears.

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    We usually have at least one bear wandering around town in Naknek and King Salmon into early December.
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    I can’t believe he used the word impossible......
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    The lighter in the same screen shot's a nice touch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfield View Post
    The lighter in the same screen shot's a nice touch...
    Unfortunate coincidence for sure.
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    FAA's Return to Service for the 737-8 and -9: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...570_FAAWeb.pdf

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    Nicely executed emergency landing!

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    Didn't need the strobes, he needed turn signals. Great Job!

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    Everyone thought it was a great job except the guy in the van. But it was well done...
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    Yes, well done. Perfect timing.
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    The driver ahead and to the right might have moved further right to let him pass or at least sped up. Watch it on Youtube at slow speed option.

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    True, but what would you do on 35W with that in your rear view mirror?

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