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    According to the news report he called in with engine trouble shortly after take-off.
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    The pilot is a local instructor/A+P. Probably knew about the lines. Maybe he did have engine trouble.
    What's a go-around?

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    He will be getting billed for "loss of power production" from the agency who owns the lines, on top of everything else. I know this from my crane business. Or so I've heard... Lucky SOB all in all.

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    Glad he was able to get free of the plane, and rescue personnel were on scene quickly to render aid. Getting out of a plane in the water isn’t as easy as it looks, particularly if injured.

    Power lines will be repaired. Those suckers are HARD to see, particularly if not marked.

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    Just up the river from Stewart & Johns sap House

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    "Optimism is going after Moby Dick in a rowboat and taking the tartar sauce with you!"

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    Oops, darn it...

    Op Ed:

    He didn’t know about the wires, or didn’t remember.
    He had recently purchased the cub from a well known instructor in Maine, who offered some instruction at the sale but offer was declined.

    Installed new 35’s, starting offering instruction.

    “Almost witness” saw him flying low up the river and knew about the wires ahead and “waited for the sound of the crash and then dialed 911”.

    After the crash the pilot was able to swim to shore, but it must have been a struggle. He is now in a Boston hospital with a broken back in multiple places.

    Cub had 400 smoh, engine was “best thing on it” per seller.

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    Lucky for sure.
    Second crash related to this set of wires. Might be time for some balls to be installed.


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    If you're going to be playing on a river fly overhead first and check for wires. I know, it's no fun to fly high first. It's more fun than clipping wires
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    Damn! Pogo was right: “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”.

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    It was a sweet flying A model on floats last summer, got my rating in it up in Maine. Strong running engine at that time…

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    Almost oldest ad in Trade-A-Plane
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    I did my SES rating on the Colorado river at Laughlin. We had been on the lake above the dam and were returning to the river. My instructor asked "Do you see the wires?". I replied "Yes, I see the wires" then almost immediately realized there were two sets of wires and I had initially seen only one of them. That was an "Oh sh**" moment on an otherwise very enjoyable day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mam90 View Post
    Good video, thanks for the link. However, I cringed every time I saw how one crew member was wearing their belts. The right seat pilot didn't seem to have done much better. How can a harness worn like this provide any protection at all?
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    Yes, agree totally on the belt. All the jets I flew had a crotch strap to hold the belt in place. As far as the video and wires in general, when I retired I spent a year flying power line patrol in a 407. We had to take a two day course on flying in The wire environment. Very good course. Even when the mission was to be in proximity to the wires, there were two occasions when my heart was in my throat after losing sight of the conductor. Be careful.....
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    Does anyone have any info on a Pacer crash at Lower Loon Lake, ID (C53) that occurred on 6/26/2022?
    Thanks

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    Nothing here: https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:93:::NO::: or here: https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/monthly.aspx

    Edit: I was wrong see post below. Bad deal.

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    This?

    https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=1...CHALLIS,N1231C

    If you Google “Challis ID plane accident” there is a story.
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    “We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

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    That’s sad. Poor family


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    Incident with the Shockwave truck during air show performance.
    Rear tire blew or something caused it to blow, sending truck into a fatal crash sequence.

    https://youtu.be/2Ux32qjRGT4


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    Re: Dale Snodgrass, Idaho.

    Final report. It can happen to anyone. Let’s be careful out there.

    https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/a...m7M8N7buQuZ_jI


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    Don't forget to stir the pot before takeoff

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    "Optimism is going after Moby Dick in a rowboat and taking the tartar sauce with you!"
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    Lifting the tail would have saved the day. Good habit. Not so with the 1019?
    What's a go-around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Re: Dale Snodgrass, Idaho.

    Final report. It can happen to anyone. Let’s be careful out there.

    https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/a...m7M8N7buQuZ_jI


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    There’s a lesson here for us all. Pre flight checks can save lives. What a terrible loss. RIP to a great aviator.

    MTV

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    Don't forget to stir the pot before takeoff

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    I was taught to also “stir the pot” prior to engine start, allows you listen for issues while also feel and visually confirm.
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    I’d like to see the version they have in the Italian variant. This one would be pretty hard to get your shins around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    I’d like to see the version they have in the Italian variant. This one would be pretty hard to get your shins around.
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    Super Cub. July 6. Montague Island, Alaska. No injuries. No details.
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    ^^^Recent local professional restoration for N2588P. Beautiful Cub. 4th bump for the pilot, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedwaltman1 View Post
    Super Cub. July 6. Montague Island, Alaska. No injuries. No details.
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    Nice landing spot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    ^^^Recent local professional restoration for N2588P. Beautiful Cub. 4th bump for the pilot, apparently.

    Gary
    And had just asked on FB flyout group about places to land on the island for an overnight stay...Careful what you ask for huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedwaltman1 View Post
    Super Cub. July 6. Montague Island, Alaska. No injuries. No details.
    Looked for more detail and found this:

    https://coffeeordie.com/downed-plane-island-bears/

    and this

    https://www.kinyradio.com/news/news-...ntague-island/

    Neither explained if the log strewn beach was the intended landing site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frequent_flyer View Post
    Looked for more detail and found this:

    https://coffeeordie.com/downed-plane-island-bears/

    and this

    https://www.kinyradio.com/news/news-...ntague-island/

    Neither explained if the log strewn beach was the intended landing site.
    That is one of the more poorly written and made up articles I have read. I spend a fair amount of time on that island and I know of many other places in the state that bears are a much bigger issue. If they were dumb enough to be flying around without the proper bear medicine they deserved to get a darwin award.

    I have a hard time thinking that could have been an "intended" landing site. If one is flying low level and has engine issues there are LOTS of place on the island that look just like that or worse so about all you can do is look for the smallest log or rock and try to hit that one.
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    “Emergency Landing sites”…. Same applies when trying to get that perfect YouTube hero shot over a craggy glacier or cold water with ie all around. One cough away from certain death.
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    It is entirely possible they were landing at low tide.....HUGE tides thereabouts, so should have been a lot of beach showing. Problem is, unless you're on your game, those steep beaches can be tricky. One of the things that often happens is tail goes downhill, plane points uphill, and.....

    Purely speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    It is entirely possible they were landing at low tide.....HUGE tides thereabouts, so should have been a lot of beach showing. Problem is, unless you're on your game, those steep beaches can be tricky. One of the things that often happens is tail goes downhill, plane points uphill, and.....

    Purely speculation.

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    Huge tides? uhhh. NOPE. Landing at low tide in the pickers? NOPE. Landing well below the tide line and ending up in that position? NOPE.
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    The pilot apparently has a history (from public info). 'Nuf said until the investigation is complete.

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    We will have to wait for Paul Harvey to give us the rest of the story. However, I would say MTV has a very good answer. That is a steep beach, tidal change that day from low tide -1.3 around 1 pm when the pilot would be looking for a landing spot to high tide at 7:28 was +9.7 feet. Max tidal change for the island is 18.4 ft. That picture was 30 min from high tide. Even if the call for help was made at time of the crash they should have had enough clear beach to land on. The call usually takes a while after crash as people sort it out. So ya landing on a steep beach with tail heavy plane (2 people, camping gear, fuel) that tail will want to drop down the beach unless you are ready for that the braking is just wrong because you would normally not want to hit the water side brake and drag the nose into the water. Just takes some time on slopes or mental prep for the feet to act right. He could have had engine trouble also but I am with mike on this one. We will just have to wait for the rest of the story. DENNY
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    Reminds me of landing my hang glider in the Big Sur surf once, the beach we were using for our LZ was super tight ALL the time. I don't recall any of us taking note of any tide tables, so even narrower at times! It wasn't visible from the launch site either...., I landed in knee deep water, you HAD to use a "water assist" it was that tight, but as I was "taxiing" out, a breaker came in and damn near swept me out to sea, still hooked in. I'm getting spooked just typing this, 50 years later, a very close call.
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