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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieN View Post
    To my eyes there was no strike to the tail, it was acceleration and air loads due to the rotation causing the fuselage failure. To my mind, yes it is cause for concern about the structural integrity of that aircraft.
    Many aircraft withstand unexpected accelerations which they structurally withstand. Changes to the fiber orientation in this plane would do it well.
    To my mind the impact loads on the wing tip caused the twisting loads on the fuselage to far exceed the design requirements. The abrupt stopping of the wing tip along with the moment arm from the tip to the center of mass of the tail combined caused the fuselage boom structure to fail. The loads at the failure point would have been extreme. Airplanes are not designed not to fail when a wing hits something.
    That being said there was still no reason for the accident which could not be attributed to pilot error.
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    This was an April accident with no additional info.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF1OWlRMV3g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie View Post
    This was an April accident with no additional info.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF1OWlRMV3g
    Wish I hadn’t watched that, looked like a guy on the ground went thru a prop.
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    To me, looked like one thru the prop and one under the gear. The guy in the helicopter tried to lift off, never saw him get out. That was not a good day over there. The turbines seemed to stay running a long time, I expect the pilot of the plane must not have been in good shape be it physically or mentally, before or after? I expect I will look this one up when I am done with work today.

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    The fatalities in that one were two police officers and the Co-Pilot in the plane. There were no passengers in the plane at the time. The plane and one helicopter were destroyed, the second helicopter was still operational. The helicopter pilot was injured and airlifted along with one of the police officers to a hospital in Kathmandu.
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    ANOTHER ONE .
    https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Al...521061101.html

    Thoughts with all involved.

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    omg. I am absolutely sick right now . This was is a great friend of mine. 7402D . I had her at my hangar for a year. we installed a 406 and replaced alot of stuff on the plane.

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    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avia...near-girdwood/


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    Pretty sad deal into the mountain in a tri pacer. Not sure at 5000' with 4 aboard how well a tripacer can really perform?
    Clear sky at the time, so not weather?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john schwamm View Post
    Pretty sad deal into the mountain in a tri pacer. Not sure at 5000' with 4 aboard how well a tripacer can really perform?
    Clear sky at the time, so not weather?
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    pacer(-20) conversion if you google the N-number... not that that matters much..

    was gusty at other end here in eagle river.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by john schwamm View Post
    Pretty sad deal into the mountain in a tri pacer. Not sure at 5000' with 4 aboard how well a tripacer can really perform?
    Clear sky at the time, so not weather?
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    Downwind side of a ridge, maybe?????
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    No idea what went so wrong here. That's a fun little flight see route. Gotta do climbing 360s to gain altitude to clear the saddle. Tom Warleigh took me there on my initial mountain flying lesson with him. We cleared the ridge by about 50' and the mountain fell away. Stunning. Tom lit up like a kid. Said no matter how many times he'd done it he never got tired of it.

    Godspeed to those lost. Condolences to those they left behind.
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    I suppose straight and level flight preceding CFIT in solid IFR wouldn’t be so bad. You wouldn’t suffer the terror of falling helplessly and your end would be quick.

    But it is horrifying to think of some of the often easily avoidable ways people suffer in the moments before taking their last breath “doing what they love (not).”

    Hasten, Angels of the Lord, to receive their souls and bring them into the sight of the Almighty.
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    This hit so close to home. Both the owner and the CFI were are great friends . Both very smart educated people. CFI was young but experienced heli pilot /fixed wing. He has been flying in AK for several yrs now. Owner a very educated RN and also a safety guy, Have worked together with him. Yes he was a student pilot, not even soloed yet. This is a terrible incident that we all need to step back and reflect on - how we fly- when we fly and who we fly with. We not only lost these 2 guys but 2 others that were along for a nice flight to see some countryside. Families now hurting, communities hurting all feeling the loss.
    I will be the first to say there were many things wrong with what happened. Later on in time we can discuss some of those. now is not the time.

    Karl you wanted to earn your wings , now you have them GODSPEED my friend Blue skies n tailwinds
    My heart goes out to all the families.
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    Oops, darn it...

    Norway's first electric plane crash-lands in lake


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...source=twitter


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    So, here is a question, you are in your electric plane, partially submerged in water. How do you get out? What is the chance there is some stray currents that you might not fair well with?

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    The aircraft: https://www.pipistrel-usa.com/alpha-electro/

    One ops manual: 1443_1350_ac417e1dd2a_POH-165-0040-001_A00.pdf Grab the link and do a search.

    Supposed to be a rescue parachute in case of engine failure or battery overheat issues.

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    It has seaplane doors, maybe the pilot got confused?

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    A misleading headline when the plane was made in Slovenia.
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    Not sure who shot this video. But it’s went viral since I shared it on Facebook 50000 views under 2 days, thanks Stewart . From Sunday at lake hood. https://www.facebook.com/10000310607...075417&sfns=mo


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    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 15-AUG-19
    Time: 20:00:00Z
    Regis#: N2534M
    Aircraft Make: PIPER
    Aircraft Model: PA12
    Event Type: ACCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
    LOCATION
    City: MCCARTHY
    State: ALASKA
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT FLIPPED OVER DURING LANDING ROLL OUT, MCCARTHY, AK.
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 27-JUL-19
    Time: 21:00:00Z
    Regis#: N82253
    Aircraft Make: PIPER
    Aircraft Model: PA18
    Event Type: ACCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
    LOCATION
    City: TOK
    State: ALASKA
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT LANDED AND SLID OFF SIDE OF RUNWAY INTO GRAVEL, TOK, AK.

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    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 19-AUG-19
    Time: 02:00:00Z
    Regis#: N1330A
    Aircraft Make: PIPER
    Aircraft Model: PA18
    Event Type: INCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: MINOR
    LOCATION
    City: NOME
    State: ALASKA
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT LOST CONTROL ON TAKEOFF AND WENT INTO THE RIVER AND FLIPPED OVER, NOME, AK.

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    Must be getting close to hunting season....��

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Not sure who shot this video. But it’s went viral since I shared it on Facebook 50000 views under 2 days, thanks Stewart . From Sunday at lake hood. https://www.facebook.com/10000310607...075417&sfns=mo
    He spotted an obstacle in the water at the last instant and had to make a quick turn to avoid it.
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    Or a regular guy found an unusual gust after an unusual approach on a very unusually windy weekend. I don't know the plane or pilot but I'm in no position to criticize. The weather sucked. Stuff happens.

    Notice the sunk 180 in the background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 15-AUG-19
    Time: 20:00:00Z
    Regis#: N2534M
    Aircraft Make: PIPER
    Aircraft Model: PA12
    Event Type: ACCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
    LOCATION
    City: MCCARTHY
    State: ALASKA
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT FLIPPED OVER DURING LANDING ROLL OUT, MCCARTHY, AK.
    He just rebuilt that one a few years ago.... it wasn’t wrecked just rusty


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Not sure who shot this video. But it’s went viral since I shared it on Facebook 50000 views under 2 days, thanks Stewart . From Sunday at lake hood. https://www.facebook.com/10000310607...075417&sfns=mo


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    It looks like the wind was a real beeyatch, but I also noticed not much going on with the rudder in that vid.
    After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF !
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    It sure looks like a quartering tailwind or direct crosswind from the movement of the waves. Do you guys know that area and the direction of flight and wind? Is that the only usable approach?

    I wonder what effect that enormous building had on the wind conditions at the point of landing.

    Is no or little flaps a normal setup for landing?

    He must have sh*t his pants.

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    Would the pilot be required to record that incident or report it to anyone? Would something like that be included in the airframe or engine logbooks?

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    If it made Youtube, I'm sure he'll be talking to a fed.

    Airframe and engine logs are for recording repairs and maintenance. If this guy damaged a wing, those repairs would be recorded but not necessarily the reason for them. You can read through repairs, note times, and come to a logical conclusion in the future.

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    I am pretty sure the winds were gusting to 36 knots at Lake Hood the day of the exciting landing. The buildings and other things around there were probably funneling winds in all sorts of weird directions. Touching down in a crab angle gets exciting on the water. Usually ending up in an inverted position. Fortunately he or she had so much wind under his or her wings that the floats did not sink into the water immediately. Thus allowing the mother-nature auto-correct. And the slam-down auto deployed the water rudders. In winds like that, my darn 180 only goes into the wind while taxiing. That had to be a super crappy day on Lake Hood.
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    I’ve landed Hood with more wind than that. Actual application of control inputs is sorta recommended in these kinds of situations.

    The real bitch is taxiing to parking, and you’d better choose your touchdown spot we’ll.

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    Mike,
    I cheated in the Widgeon in those kind of winds with having differential power to turn. Definitely very hard to turn and get to parking in Helio or cub. Sometimes just had to put flaps down and slow idle and not go too fast backwards to get to parking. Floats can go under pretty easy in reverse!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Heinrich View Post
    Would the pilot be required to record that incident or report it to anyone? Would something like that be included in the airframe or engine logbooks?
    I would think a link to the YouTube video in the airframe logs would be sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Not sure who shot this video. But it’s went viral since I shared it on Facebook 50000 views under 2 days, thanks Stewart . From Sunday at lake hood. https://www.facebook.com/10000310607...075417&sfns=mo


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    whats the story on the one sitting behind with its wing in the water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    whats the story on the one sitting behind with its wing in the water?
    Eh, we don't need to pump out the floats tonight...
    After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF !
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