Oops, darn it...

[RaisedByWolves]

Looks like the wind was gusty, 20-35kts. It was about that yesterday, quartering crosswind on 26.
I saw on FB him and his wife walked away. That’s all you can ask for.


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[mike mcs repair]

[stewartb]

Obviously there was a wind factor but it appears flaps did him in. Watch closely.

[mike mcs repair]

[Steve Pierce]

He owned it. Having been in his shoes I have a huge respect for his comments here. https://youtu.be/NfctWAoDXvs

[cafi19]

Sorry it happened. Super happy they are all fine....sans a broken nail.

Have a lot of respect for him accepting his responsibility!!!

cafi

[behindpropellers]

I'm very surprised at how easily the wings broke off. Perhaps this was a blessing in disguise.

Glad everyone walked away.

Tim

[Chicken Hawk]

Crushing to watch..... he’s a class act all the way.


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[mike mcs repair]

I bet he's already looking for a donor....

plenty of good parts left....

[DJ]

Extreme Ownership. Taking all the blame. That shows character big time.

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[PerryB]

If I heard correctly, Mrs. Patey broke a nail. You gotta admit, that'll make a good story after some time passes. Thank God nobody was hurt, or worse.

[CharlieN]

I bet he's already looking for a donor....

plenty of good parts left....

I am not sure it is all that bad, granted having not seen where the gear leg has been yanked out. But I think he would like to start fresh with the gear anyway.
The wing hinges probably need both structural as well as skin work. No issue for what he can achieve.
Looking forward to see just what direction he goes with it.

[mike mcs repair]

I am not sure it is all that bad, granted having not seen where the gear leg has been yanked out. But I think he would like to start fresh with the gear anyway.
The wing hinges probably need both structural as well as skin work. No issue for what he can achieve.
Looking forward to see just what direction he goes with it.

No lift struts I think. Something bad happened to topdeck/wing root area...


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[SJ]

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2019/09/18/pilot_survives_plane_crash_near_reykjavik/

[skywagon8a]

No lift struts I think. Something bad happened to topdeck/wing root area...

There have been several strut less planes which required wing spar reinforcements. Cessna 195, Beech 18, Cessna 402 and more recently the Cessna 210 for example. I believe I saw in one of his videos that he was not going to extend the wings due to having some questions as to whether or not the center section could handle the increased bending moments. Did he change his mind, as he did extend the wings before going to Valdez?
It's interesting in that one wing broke up and the other down. I'm wondering, what exactly broke?

[Farmboy]

From watching the video Pete, I would theorise that the side loading on impact (nearly flying sideways at that point) broke the left wing upward. Assuming that destroyed the center section the right wing simply fails downward.
No? Maybe?


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[skywagon8a]

From watching the video Pete, I would theorise that the side loading on impact (nearly flying sideways at that point) broke the left wing upward. Assuming that destroyed the center section the right wing simply fails downward.
No? Maybe?

Hard to tell from the picture. Perhaps it is just the way it came to a rest with one up and the other down?

[hotrod180]

No, you can see in the video that the RH wing comes off just after/as the LH wing impacts the ground.
So either the failure was transmitted to the carrythrough structure, or ?
Being a cantilevered-wing design, the Wilga doesn't have a one-piece wing does it?
Seems unlikely but ya never know.

[mike mcs repair]

Anyone got pictures of wings removed and fuselage. Curious now what they look like


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[windy]

It’s hard to tell from the video, but it doesn’t look like he was using crosswind corrections on the initial ground roll until the left wing came up. Then you can see the trailing edge of the left aileron tilted down.

A sad story. Glad everyone is ok.


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[mike mcs repair]

didn't want to start a separate thread... not exactly related... but watched a few of this series of videos tonight... ignore the first part of this video....

[mike mcs repair]

wonder if he gets a bonus???.... was about to get REALLY EXPENSIVE!!!

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...g-cart-at-ord/

[skywagon8a]

Collings Foundation B-17 gone
https://www.foxnews.com/us/world-war...uries-reported

[CharlieN]

To me it is kind of sad that Fox chose a file photo of Aluminum Overcast that I just worked with and will be again in 9 days depending on the outcome of 909's crash.
Not knowing yet who the flight crew was this might not work out well for the Colling's Foundation.
At this time Aluminum Overcast is standing down in NH before heading out to Hyannis on the Cape.

[skywagon8a]

I thought that didn't look right. Collings was brown all over wasn't it?

[CharlieN]

Correct and Collings 909 had squadron markings of A over R Aluminum Overcast is W over H

[PerryB]

wonder if he gets a bonus???.... was about to get REALLY EXPENSIVE!!!

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...g-cart-at-ord/

3 cheers for the tug driver !

[skywagon8a]

Tower tape of B-17 flight.
The pictures are not video and are of two different B-17s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weNLHLWSg6g

[Oliver]

Collings foundation has done an amazing job keeping a part of aviation history alive, providing an opportunity for folks to experience first hand a taste of what brave pilots of past wars endured. I was fortunate to do a cross country “ferry flight”
on the B 24 “Witchcraft” in the squadron. The most memorable and emotional flight of my life.
These planes were purpose built war machines, creature comforts were a distant afterthought. My thought and prayers to those that went down with “909”.
I hope this event doesn’t break the spirit of the Collings people, a great organization that must continue on..


“909”at John Wayne.


My Station as “navigator” on Witchcraft

[irishfield]

Can't believe the tower talked over any possible transmissions from the time they joined down wind to crashed, but the Captain never did declare it as an emergency.

...hearing it was fueled with JET A and Not AV gas..

[Oliver]

RIP ol gal..

[PerryB]

Can't believe the tower talked over any possible transmissions from the time they joined down wind to crashed, but the Captain never did declare it as an emergency.

...hearing it was fueled with JET A and Not AV gas..

Mis-fueling was my immediate thought, but I was keeping quiet (rare) until we knew more. What a tragedy.

[dgapilot]

I flew with those guys hopping rides with my Howard many years ago. RIP


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[skywagon8a]

...hearing it was fueled with JET A and Not AV gas..

YIKES! Please don't tell me that is what happened. It was my understanding that they lost power in #4 engine at some point during take off. IF it was a misfueling, wouldn't it stand to reason that all four engines would have experienced trouble?

[Oliver]

PIC of accident AC was extremely talented and very meticulous, very involved with all aspects of preflight and maintenance. Also chief pilot of the program (During my visit). I would very surprised if if Jet A was the cause.
of course, anything is possible. Time will tell.
Sad to hear PIC and copilot didn’t make it.

[N86250]

Not familiar with the fuel system on a 17 but I doubt if all 4 engines draw from the same tank at the same time. I could see one engine failing from heavily contaminated fuel that wouldn't burn and another failing from detonation from partially contaminated fuel. So sad.

[skywagon8a]

Not familiar with the fuel system on a 17 but I doubt if all 4 engines draw from the same tank at the same time. I could see one engine failing from heavily contaminated fuel that wouldn't burn and another failing from detonation from partially contaminated fuel. So sad.

I was not suggesting that they all draw from one tank. If the airplane had been refueled, it makes sense that the tanks which did supply the engines would have all been refueled with the same amount of fuel at the same time. So it would have been more than likely that it would have been from the same fuel truck.

[mvivion]

I'm pretty sure that a B-17 with that light loading should have been quite able to fly away on three engines. Judging from the fact that they were unable to gain altitude, I'd assume this was not just a single engine failure.....

MTV

[Bill.Brine]

I flew in this plane 2 weeks ago. Prior to the flight a fuel truck was called, a Jet A truck arrived. The crew caught the mix up prior to the Jet A truck ever getting to the front of the plane. I suspect that this kind of mix up between Jet A and 100LL is a common for the B-17 crew; big plane = Jet A.
The pilot stood on the wing to load the fuel while the airport crew stood by the truck.
The flight crew told me they fly light on fuel. I think they took on 300 gallons of 100 LL for our flight. 45,000 lbs ramp weight with 10 of us aboard.


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[skywagon8a]

It appears that each engine has it's own tank to feed from with crossfeed/transfer capabilities.
This is a B-17 fuel system diagram.
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Im...uealSysDia.pdf