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    No such thing!

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    Nope, former fighter pilot….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    No such thing!
    Not ground looping? The fighter and high time airline pilots do it all the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Not ground looping? The fighter and high time airline pilots do it all the time.


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    No such thing as a former fighter pilot! We can ground loop with the best of them!

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    Not ground looping? The fighter and high time airline pilots do it all the time.


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    Ford is just bored at the Piper fly in and trolling y’all

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
    Ford is just bored at the Piper fly in and trolling y’all
    Haven’t seen any airline or fighter pilots ground loop this week. Yet.


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    Yo mama!

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    Haven’t seen any airline or fighter pilots ground loop this week. Yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Respectfully, I’ll beg to disagree. Today, many pilots are not taught even the rudiments of aerodynamics, or stall/spin aerodynamics. In fact, many pilots were never taught proper use of the controls. In short, we’re doing a pretty good job of teaching students how to manage a GPS, but we seem to be failing them when it comes to LOC avoidance.

    And those folks become flight instructors……

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    I love a happy ending. These young men are awesome!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=I...ature=youtu.be
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    Crappy day, darkest night, they will come to save you!

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    I love a happy ending. These young men are awesome!

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    A friend who had been a Coast Guard officer said he respected his swimmers even more than his pilots. Jumping into heavy seas in the night hoping it's a 10 foot drop not 30. No tracking device on your person.
    What's a go-around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    A friend who had been a Coast Guard officer said he respected his swimmers even more than his pilots. Jumping into heavy seas in the night hoping it's a 10 foot drop not 30. No tracking device on your person.
    Takes a lot of confidence in yourself as well as confidence and trust in the crew you are leaving…


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    According to Joe, the prop was sent to Sensenich, inspected, and found to have no damage. It is back on the airplane.
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    Assuming it’s the same pilot, he is resilient to say the least. Refuses to give up.

    At least 4 incidents, possibly 5, in the same aircraft, in 8 days.

    https://www.facebook.com/49010690136...147697556/?d=n


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Assuming it’s the same pilot, he is resilient to say the least. Refuses to give up.
    "I'm going to figure this thing out even if it kills me!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Assuming it’s the same pilot, he is resilient to say the least. Refuses to give up.

    At least 4 incidents, possibly 5, in the same aircraft, in 8 days.

    https://www.facebook.com/49010690136...147697556/?d=n


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    Some nasty storms with high winds ripped through Ely last night. Our Beavers rode it out alright, but this J4 tucked in next to the city dock on Shagawa ended up in the bushes. Sad day.

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    Whoa. Looks like he flipped there.


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    Yesterday at our local airport: Dale Snodgrass crashed and perished on take off in a Marchetti SM1019. It is basically a turbo-prop Bird Dog.

    I have no other details--wasn't there but saw the smoke from home. Really sad thing--he had finished building a private strip 50 miles southeast of Lewiston.

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...le-snort-snod/






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    That is so very sad ,wonder happened?


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    Fighter pilot brother, and a good man. Here’s a nickel in the grass.


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    I hope this isn't another Piper rudder tubing failure. Earlier thread re Rudder failure

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    Back to Snort… no one is bulletproof but you never expect it to be “that guy”.

    A little more detail/info -

    Fatal accident...
    (24/July/2021)
    - United States of America :
    A SIAI Marchetti SM.1019B STOL plane, owned by 717 Aviation Inc, registration N28U, experienced an apparent departure stall and a subsequent impact with airport terrain at Lewiston-Nez Perce County Regional Airport (LWS/KLWS), Idaho.
    The airplane sustained substantial damage and the sole pilot onboard, retired Navy Captain Dale “Snort” Snodgrass, was fatally injured.

    ATC records show that the pilot was cleared to takeoff and about 30s later, he was heard yelling "Ahh! S**t! S**t", the tower cleared ground vehicles to the runway about seven seconds later.

    The aircraft used a Rolls Royce/Allison 250-B17B turbine powered engine.

    - Meters:
    KLWS 241845Z AUTO 00000KT 9SM FEW065 29/02 A3009
    KLWS 241850Z AUTO 03002KT 10SM FEW065 30/02 A3009
    KLWS 241855Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT060 30/02 A3009
    KLWS 241900Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT050 SCT065 30/02 A3007
    KLWS 241905Z AUTO 07004KT 10SM FEW012 SCT050 SCT065 30/02 A3007
    KLWS 241910Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW055 31/02 A3007

    - Photo: aircraft com / Lewiston Tribune


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    I downloaded the recording but didn't really want to talk about it. But, for what it's worth, the words sounded to me like, "Check! Check!"

    Some have speculated about medical issues. His radio transmissions sounded very crisp and normal. One minor distraction was that he had to be reminded to change to tower frequency from ground. He did so promptly.

    I'll add that one local who was there said it looked like an uncontrolled pitch up. No info on why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    I hope this isn't another Piper rudder tubing failure. Earlier thread re Rudder failure

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    I saw him land at lake hood, unfortunately it was.
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    That's not good. Thankfully they landed ok. Well, if they're compromised better to fix it than loose the occupants.

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    J3 fatal at Hartford , WI. Registered to Sharon Krog. Many of us know Steve from the Cub world and his column in EAA magazine. Reports say the female instructor perished and the male receiving instruction was seriously injured.

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    Watched two 206 pilots try to take off out of a semi-small lake and use more than the lake had to offer a couple days ago. Thankfully, only one succeeded.

    The first pilot, after leaving a good 1/3 of the lake behind when he started his first run, continued to pull back to rotate- not lift a float. He got it stopped after he pulled power back with just enough room to turn around.

    Light load it took him three or four tries, and I swear he about cartwheeled twice- but he got out of there finally.

    Second plane loaded up three passengers, left a couple hundred yards behind on take off, tried twice to rotate, finally decided to lift a float- dropped it back in, tried again but was out of time. Did not pull off the power and hit the three feet bank at the end.

    The plane made it about three hundred yards until it stalled one wing, came down turning then dug the nose and flipped.

    God protects fools- my group was standing by the plane and included two ambulance EMTs very competent with accident trauma. We think we made it across the lake and to the crash in less than ten minutes. One serious head trauma, others were all able to walk.

    This is serious business. If you don't know enough to roll floats instead of lift the nose more on floats- please get more instruction.


    Oh- When in doubt, ferry out. Make two runs is always an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    ... semi-small lake ......... after leaving a good 1/3 of the lake behind when he started his first run........... left a couple hundred yards behind on take off.
    This is serious business. If you don't know enough to roll floats instead of lift the nose more on floats- please get more instruction.


    Oh- When in doubt, ferry out. Make two runs is always an option.
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    Saw this in Bozeman when I got home from OSH.

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    No idea what the story is. Wing tip and prop damage. Bummer, nice looking plane.

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    ^^^^ This

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    Watched two 206 pilots try to take off out of a semi-small lake and use more than the lake had to offer a couple days ago....
    How were they equipped? Floats-engine-prop-STOL kit? Is this the plane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    Those who don't know, don't know they don't know.
    I expect a reasonable amount of experience and professionalism from my peers flying out here. Some of the worst weather you can imagine, and lots of rivers and small lakes where you have to shuttle or drop one lake, pick up another. Both these guys had recent 135 check rides- and the basics of NOT PULLING BACK TO LIFT OFF in float operations was one of the first demonstrations we all got when learning to fly floats.

    The one pilot said he had 5 years flying out of Anchorage with good recommendations.

    Gary, yup, that was the one.

    Sorry for my ranting guys. I am still in shock. Sitting on the bank watching a plane crash, knowing from before they applied power that they were making mistakes, and having no way to help correct any of them sucks.

    Learn the basics, follow the basics, practice the basics and you will have reasonable results!
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    Damn. Seems to happen all too often down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Damn. Seems to happen all too often down there.
    Yes it does. My bride has not allowed me to go down there and fly for operators down there, she followed the Ketchikan situation from work for years, and calls that place the 'Black Hole' for good reason.

    I wonder what insurance will look like for next season for operators. Many, crashes or not, have seen insurance double or triple over the last five or so years.

    Cruise ships will not be happy either... seem to average a couple deaths a year of passengers- that is not good business for them either.

    Stay safe, use good judgement!
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    One thing to add, anyone else notice that the search was hampered by weather?

    The pressure to please is real, it takes a stronger person to not fly than to push...
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    George, as I’m sure you know, this is an age old problem up here. My commercial flying in Alaska was in the 70’s and 80’s and as I flew helicopters too I was involved in many search/rescue/recovery operations. I did a fixed wing charter taking the Postmaster General to Bethel and Dillingham once and myself and some of the other operators put him in a room and explained the problem with the mail system in the bush at that time. If a good operator turned down the trip because of weather, the next operator up who was willing to take risks would get all the mail. He shrugged and said he’d look into it. Had a government charter that we turned around due to weather and the lead said “that’s ok, our department says if you don’t take us to where we contracted you to take us we don’t pay”.. We got paid, but that lead wouldn’t use us again. I’ve told my medevac stories on here before so I won’t repeat them. And here we are, 40 years later still talking about this. Doubt it will ever change until operators are regulated or insured out of business.
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    What I can't figure out is how often those floatplanes in SE end up hitting terrain. It seems like they can and do land on water in poor conditions to gain some better advantage. But dragging that float gear through or near mountains can't be an asset. I have more time on floats than other, but never felt it was a help in the hills. I lived and worked in SE Alaska.

    "A helicopter company reported seeing wreckage on a ridgeline in the search area"

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    One thing to add, anyone else notice that the search was hampered by weather?

    The pressure to please is real, it takes a stronger person to not fly than to push...
    I understand we won’t know the full details for some time, but as much as I love aviation, I must say that I certainly wouldn’t encourage friends or family to take a flight seeing tour in the Misty Fjords on an overcast day.
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