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    Now that's a new one.

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    I wonder if that would be a first "leaving the scene of an accident" in aviation.

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    I hope the second airplane survived it. It isn’t inconceivable that a guy could be missing and nobody knows it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash, Jr. View Post
    I wonder if that would be a first "leaving the scene of an accident" in aviation.
    One question in mind, is that an honor or a felony?
    If it was just a landing gear/tire strike against a wing I can see it being a "non issue" in some peoples minds. But it is still a true issue. The person probably "felt something" but might not have recognized it as an impact with another aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieN View Post
    One question in mind, is that an honor or a felony?
    If it was just a landing gear/tire strike against a wing I can see it being a "non issue" in some peoples minds. But it is still a true issue. The person probably "felt something" but might not have recognized it as an impact with another aircraft.
    On the other hand, it IS Alaska....just sayin. I tried to track down a guy who'd rebuilt an airplane I owned once, not to bitch, but to simply ask questions. Finally found out he was living in a bush village. So, I flew there, asked around, found out where he lived, and knocked on the door. Lady comes to door...."Nope, he don't live here." I explained (loudly) precisely why I wanted to talk to him....about this plane. He comes out of the back room, and says, "come on in".

    Turns out he was dodging the IRS.

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    Turns out he was dodging the IRS.

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    There was a time that a Trooper had a subpoena with my name on it and was ordered to track me down. We laughed about it a year later, has he had visited my parents, on orders, knowing full well I was working on the fishing fleet. I wasn't hiding, but I sure was not interested in helping the greedy lawsuit folks either.

    Funny how hard or easy it can be to be found when you do or don't want to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    Turns out he was dodging the IRS.

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    There was a time that a Trooper had a subpoena with my name on it and was ordered to track me down. We laughed about it a year later, has he had visited my parents, on orders, knowing full well I was working on the fishing fleet. I wasn't hiding, but I sure was not interested in helping the greedy lawsuit folks either.

    Funny how hard or easy it can be to be found when you do or don't want to be.[/QUOTE]

    Didn't you have a hideout in New Hampshire a few years ago?

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    Pretty sure he had another “vacation” in Oklahoma since then too. I’ll have to remember to call Eaton when the need arises.


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    I don’t see why it’s a “true issue”. If there’s no damage to his plane, who cares? What are they going to do, tell him not to fly so close to another aircraft? I sincerely doubt he has any desire to repeat the experience- let him clean his underwear in peace...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak49flyer View Post
    I don’t see why it’s a “true issue”. If there’s no damage to his plane, who cares? What are they going to do, tell him not to fly so close to another aircraft? I sincerely doubt he has any desire to repeat the experience- let him clean his underwear in peace...
    How about paying for the damage he/she caused? Might just want to land with the other plane, make sure everyone is ok and figure out what went wrong. Just seems like the right thing to do.
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    Caused? That assigns responsibility and liability. That’s a mighty big assumption.
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    He may not have known it was another plane until he saw the news- at which point he knew everyone was ok. “Caused” seems pretty rich- just because he happened to be the one with no damage doesn’t make him at fault. At this point I’d say thank God for a good outcome of a normally terrible situation and move on. If I was the other guy, I certainly wouldn’t be complaining about a little bent metal at this point...
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    Since I’ve been there, I don’t like to hypothesize on others in a surprise situation.

    But man…. It sure seems like this was super avoidable long before it happened?

    http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/1...-occurred.html

    BOONES MILL, Virginia - No one was hurt in an incident involving a small plane and a Virginia State Police car.

    State Police say the pilot of a small plane wasn’t able to switch fuel tanks during flight and made an emergency landing Monday evening on Apple Road in Franklin County. That’s in the Boones Mill area. The pilot stayed with the plane overnight and fixed the fuel issue, but did not attempt a takeoff Monday night because of darkness.

    Late Tuesday morning, the pilot practiced a dry takeoff run to see if the plane could get fast enough to lift off, according to police. As he slowed the plane after the test run, he couldn’t get the plane stopped in time because of a gravel road, and hit a parked Virginia State Police car with the left wing of the plane.

    No one was in the car at the time.


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    What a Cluster F***

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Since I’ve been there, I don’t like to hypothesize on others in a surprise situation.

    But man…. It sure seems like this was super avoidable long before it happened?

    http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/1...-occurred.html

    BOONES MILL, Virginia - No one was hurt in an incident involving a small plane and a Virginia State Police car.

    State Police say the pilot of a small plane wasn’t able to switch fuel tanks during flight and made an emergency landing Monday evening on Apple Road in Franklin County. That’s in the Boones Mill area. The pilot stayed with the plane overnight and fixed the fuel issue, but did not attempt a takeoff Monday night because of darkness.

    Late Tuesday morning, the pilot practiced a dry takeoff run to see if the plane could get fast enough to lift off, according to police. As he slowed the plane after the test run, he couldn’t get the plane stopped in time because of a gravel road, and hit a parked Virginia State Police car with the left wing of the plane.

    No one was in the car at the time.


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    Two injured in cub crash near Willow Alaska

    This didn’t end well as I heard that the pilot didn’t make it.

    If I were to guess it looks like a “stall spin” situation.

    https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/20...w-plane-crash/
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    FAA preliminary report says it was a Javron Cub.
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    Sad. I will say, I'm glad I did a training course in my carbon cub before I bought it. The thing will get very slow with power on in slow flight, as in less than 25 mph TAS hanging on the prop, staying level at what seems like 20 degrees nose up. BUT: when it breaks, it's almost an instant incipient spin to the left. Really eye opening.
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    Narwhal....does the rudder have any effect during the break-spin? P-torque can pull it left under higher power but not news

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Narwhal....does the rudder have any effect during the break-spin? P-torque can pull it left under higher power but not news

    Gary
    Yes, the rudder is effective to stop the spin from fully developing but the left wing drop can be pretty immediate especially if you make the classic mistake of trying to keep the wings level at all with ailerons. It can be difficult to stay coordinated in those high pitch attitudes as you lose sight of the horizon over the nose. Nothing that can't be avoided with proper training but I can see how it could bite people.
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    Maybe power isn't always our friend? Thanks for the rudder info above

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    The accident pilot was well respected in GA and at Fedex. He knew how to fly. Accidents happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhal View Post
    Sad. I will say, I'm glad I did a training course in my carbon cub before I bought it. The thing will get very slow with power on in slow flight, as in less than 25 mph TAS hanging on the prop, staying level at what seems like 20 degrees nose up. BUT: when it breaks, it's almost an instant incipient spin to the left. Really eye opening.
    My RANS S-7S will do the same, when I push it hard enough. Power held in, near and sometimes even full power. The trick is to have it happen with the tires 6" off the ground.....when I finally get a hard break out of it, followed by a left bit of yaw, (what would happen next I can imagine, if I wasn't already touching down) I know I am landing as absolutely slow as the thing can go, and that's REAL slow, mid 20's best guess. I don't use this technique often, but I like knowing it's there if I need it. Doing it inadvertently, I'd have to be asleep as it is pretty obvious, I guess that's where knowing the aircraft well comes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhal View Post
    .... especially if you make the classic mistake of trying to keep the wings level at all with ailerons.
    It is a mistake for anyone who learned to fly in gliders and/or who has a lot of time in rag wing tail draggers. Isn't it true, however, that ab initio pilots of modern airplanes are taught to use coordinated aileron and rudder to raise the falling wing? If pilots trained that way go on to do a bit of glider flying or a bit of rag wing flying their instincts may be totally wrong.

    I was taught long ago that stick stayed centered and only rudder was used to catch the falling wing. That technique would be condemned by recently minted airplane instructors and has been by many in discussion on pprune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frequent_flyer View Post
    It is a mistake for anyone who learned to fly in gliders and/or who has a lot of time in rag wing tail draggers. Isn't it true, however, that ab initio pilots of modern airplanes are taught to use coordinated aileron and rudder to raise the falling wing? If pilots trained that way go on to do a bit of glider flying or a bit of rag wing flying their instincts may be totally wrong.

    I was taught long ago that stick stayed centered and only rudder was used to catch the falling wing. That technique would be condemned by recently minted airplane instructors and has been by many in discussion on pprune.
    Yep! PPrune, while occasionally useful for tidbits of technical info can be a real cesspool when it comes to actual flying techniques, specifically given the ab-initio airline flying background of most of its users.

    Anyhow, in regard to this sad javron cub accident I will be interested in reading the NTSB report and will leave it at that. I was just surprised how quickly a cub will drop a wing in a power on stall compared to a cessna, and it seems like the slower you get before the stall breaks, the quicker the wing will drop when it finally happens; caveat being that I only have 20 hours in cub types and maybe a dozen stalls.
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    Narwhal it's off topic, but I'd ensure your Cub is rigged per specs...both wing and empennage...then accept the fact that the Cub elevator is effective and lighter than any Cessna I've flown. Cessna by design made the elevator force heavy and offered trim to assist. At the stall under power the prop pulls the plane left and reactive torque rotates the airframe opposite the prop's rotation. Ball has to stay in the middle or they will go their own way. You know this but it's something to think about over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhal View Post
    I was just surprised how quickly a cub will drop a wing in a power on stall compared to a cessna, and it seems like the slower you get before the stall breaks, the quicker the wing will drop when it finally happens; caveat being that I only have 20 hours in cub types and maybe a dozen stalls.
    I have not had a Cub drop a wing in a power on stall. This surprises me because a series on power on , power off, flaps, no flaps is one of the first things I do in any Cub I fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I have not had a Cub drop a wing in a power on stall. This surprises me because a series on power on , power off, flaps, no flaps is one of the first things I do in any Cub I fly.
    Some people are not taught that the rudder pedals are not just foot rests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    Some people are not taught that the rudder pedals are not just foot rests.
    Yes. ANY plane will drop a wing if you are uncoordinated. Some more angrily than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ View Post
    Yes. ANY plane will drop a wing if you are uncoordinated. Some more angrily than others.
    Mine gets angrier with a guy in the back. It might be wise to explore slow flight/stalls with a willing passenger. May have contributed to this accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I have not had a Cub drop a wing in a power on stall. This surprises me because a series on power on , power off, flaps, no flaps is one of the first things I do in any Cub I fly.
    Give it time. You will. I did a demo flight in a Scout right out of the factory. First stall…nothing aggressive, thing got right on its back. Flew really nice after it was properly rigged. Unfamiliar planes, I’m ALWAYS on high alert, and EVERY one gets stalled early.

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    I have written and erased several times. My understanding is this was not a stock cub, nor a stock Javron, (which is basically a stock cub). The flaps and ailerons had extended cord, and the pivot point was changed to try to alleviate the change in leverage required. The wing leading edge had a different shape. And I believe there may have been some other structural changes in the wing. I do not know if he had VG’s on the wing. I do not know the consequence of these changes, and we may never know. My prayers to the family left behind.


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    All I can say about the tragedy above is that we lost a good one. He was a very capable as a pilot, a combat vet, and a great family man with a wonderful family. If there ever was an all around great guy he was that guy. Definitely the type of person that would give you the shirt off his back in times of need.

    The picture below is a 2007 picture of him in his PA12 out living life.

    He will be missed and his family will always be in our thoughts.

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    This happened today at my airport. Globe Swift that hadn’t moved in years was being run up in its tie down.

    Also got a 172 and a Mooney.
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    Sad to see, they are a favorite of mine.
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    No brakes?

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    It had sat for a long time. Anything is possible. Could even be a hand prop gone wrong with old rotten ropes. Or the brakes were defective. I’ll probably find out more today or tomorrow.

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    Too bad about the Swift, but the collateral damage is even more of a bummer.
    Probably no insurance on a ramp queen, I hope the responsible party will pony up the dough to make things right.
    Unfortunately, probably not much chance of that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Give it time. You will. I did a demo flight in a Scout right out of the factory. First stall…nothing aggressive, thing got right on its back. Flew really nice after it was properly rigged. Unfamiliar planes, I’m ALWAYS on high alert, and EVERY one gets stalled early.

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    I am with you completely Mike. And many times it’s a bad repair causing different AOI between the 2 sides then corrected and masked by washout which will make it fly hands off BUT look out in a full stall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I have not had a Cub drop a wing in a power on stall. This surprises me because a series on power on , power off, flaps, no flaps is one of the first things I do in any Cub I fly.
    Steve--When I began to fly the county fire plane about ten years ago I had not had but about five hours in a an 18 and this aircraft did not have VG's. I asked a knowledge pilot that did upset/ unusual attitude training to give me a thorough checkout as I am leery of flying aircraft that I am not familiar with. We went up to 3500 AGL + and I asked, "Where the hell are we going". He replied--I am going to have you do an aggravated departure stall. So at full power it was raise the nose, raise the nose, raise the nose. In an instant the nose broke, left wing dropped, and we entered a spin. Only did one 360. I got the message.

    At most fire incidents I was generally at approx 500+/- at reduced speed, doing 360's and often at steep bank angle. I was always paying attention
    to feel, sound, AS--I understood that first mistake would be last mistake.

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    4 seat cub went down in Kodiak today. Pilot did not survive. Crashed shortly after takeoff from municipal

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