skywagon8a
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SE Mass MA6
I thought that didn't look right. Collings was brown all over wasn't it?
3 cheers for the tug driver !wonder if he gets a bonus???.... was about to get REALLY EXPENSIVE!!!
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/ground-crew-disables-possessed-catering-cart-at-ord/
Can't believe the tower talked over any possible transmissions from the time they joined down wind to crashed, but the Captain never did declare it as an emergency.
...hearing it was fueled with JET A and Not AV gas..
YIKES! Please don't tell me that is what happened. It was my understanding that they lost power in #4 engine at some point during take off. IF it was a misfueling, wouldn't it stand to reason that all four engines would have experienced trouble?...hearing it was fueled with JET A and Not AV gas..
I was not suggesting that they all draw from one tank. If the airplane had been refueled, it makes sense that the tanks which did supply the engines would have all been refueled with the same amount of fuel at the same time. So it would have been more than likely that it would have been from the same fuel truck.Not familiar with the fuel system on a 17 but I doubt if all 4 engines draw from the same tank at the same time. I could see one engine failing from heavily contaminated fuel that wouldn't burn and another failing from detonation from partially contaminated fuel. So sad.
I could well be wrong but I am thinking a possibility of a medical related issue. I sure hope and expect I will be found wrong on this.
One thing to throw in, the B-17 is a two pilot plane, left seat controls the flight surfaces, Right operates the engines, being throttles, mixture etc.
If this is accurate, there would be a considerable period of time elapsing between the pilot flying's brain sensing what is needed and communicating that need verbally to the copilot who then in turn moves the engine controls which in turn changes power. Then the airplane reacting and the pilot flying recognizing that was too much or not enough, then asking for more or less power and on which engine(s). Having never flown a B-17, that sure sounds like a haphazard cluster F*** method of aviating, particularly when in a tight emergency situation.One thing to throw in, the B-17 is a two pilot plane, left seat controls the flight surfaces, Right operates the engines, being throttles, mixture etc.
As with Sky's provided image, yes to controls on both sides. As such if one man went down the other can take over.OMG. So the type-rated co-pilot has no flight controls????? What a disaster in the making. So you are thinking that the 75 year old captain slumps over on short final and the plane helplessly settled into the approach lights. Sad, sad ending.
Thanks for for your insight.
Brad
Edit/Update - This survivor may be able to provide a very detailed account of it.
https://patch.com/connecticut/windsorlocks/tribute-crash-hero-chief-master-sgt-james-m-traficante
Mt Bob relative?
Glenn