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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    It has been known to confuse the borders of Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont (it seems to find the WAD with no problem) but clearly needs to head West to meet The Great Stearman Men of The West!
    Jeff, are you planning on making a trip out here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Jeff, are you planning on making a trip out here?
    Yes, shortly after I drop my last child off at College in two years. I'm stopping at Tim C's to go waterskiing on the way.
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    For 10 years I've survived without them. I don't plan on night flying. It's all going. Besides, to go into class B, I'd need a transponder too, which comes with its own issues. Handhelds work just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Miss Daisy View Post
    It is nice being a purist but realize that a radio will happen for safety's sake at a fly in or to fly around Class B. Everyone flies with ANRs as well not to mention your cell phone charger. The worst is to see the Christmas tree of wiring run internally exposed. Install the lightweight wires to a place for the small gel cell battery. Install the avionics wire to the headset jack from your hand held. Make room for the solar charger in the greenhouse to charge when it is left out. Then cover all the simple wiring that will add what 1#. Pass on the second helping of Aprils food and you got it covered. Make Lenny run more before he gets in the back seat....Yeah sorry Lenny you are bound for the backseat.
    Glad you got so see Bella my Ohio Girlfriend. She and her folks are most courteous and generous
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    He is taking it to New Holstein in 11. He has PROMISED me this much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Bring the frame down in Feb. and we can check it in the jig and do those mods and any repairs that are needed.
    I'll plan on it. It gives me a reasonable goal over the next few months. I'll get her apart and ready to trailer down. Prior to arrival, what parts will I need to purchase? Should I already have it sand blasted? I was already planning on attending, so this will be great.

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    In case anyone else wants more pictures:
    https://picasaweb.google.com/1054185...KjukfTuneDk_gE
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    I usually blast and prime prior to jigging. That way I know what I am dealing with because I usually find corrosion that was not evident. If you wanted to do the blasting and priming here we might can arrange something prior to the start of the seminar. Looks like you are on track with the photos, I have figured out I can never take enough. Can't wait till Feb.
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    Just pulled the book off the shelf and suggested Billy read it. I was hopeful that he would read it earlier but he didn't have the interest. Now knowing that Chris bought the plane just might do it for him. I know he will love it.

    Cant wait to get back to TX. Booked our room at the Wildcatter early (last year they were booked so didn't want to miss out again this year). Really cool place and not much more than the rates in town. Love to hear the coyotes at night!!!

    See you there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafi19 View Post
    Cant wait to get back to TX. Booked our room at the Wildcatter early (last year they were booked so didn't want to miss out again this year). Really cool place and not much more than the rates in town. Love to hear the coyotes at night!!!

    See you there!

    cafi
    Cool, I've been craving some of their stuffed jalapenos.
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    Mee tooo! That and their Mustang Salad....YUM!!! I have been comparing others to theirs. Don't know it is the event that makes them taste so good or if they really ARE that good!

    cafi

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    Gotta go go karting again as well. That was way too much fun.
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    Yeah....we will have to have a class on cheating and governors so that we can all be on the same playing field as the Pierce's....and then we will tell the workers, in the interest of safety of course, to stay away!!!

    Wayyy too much fun and such a competitive crowd!!!

    cafi

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    89,

    Looks like an original PA-11 front seat. If you decide to swap it out for a Supercub seat, let me know and I'll buy that one off you.

    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasimmons View Post
    89,

    Looks like an original PA-11 front seat. If you decide to swap it out for a Supercub seat, let me know and I'll buy that one off you.

    Andrew
    The SC seat is taller so creates a problem for taller pilots.
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    Andrew,
    I haven't really sat in it yet to see how comfortable it is. In order to keep it somewhat original, I may decide to keep the seat.

    Steve,
    I have off only that week of your seminar, but If I get it done earlier, I might just bring it down in Jan to get it started. I have found a local guy here also with a jig but everyone seems interested enough that I should show up with it. I'm confused about the jig though, I get it welded up before I straighten it?


    I was thinking about trading this c-85-12 for a c-90-8. I know I can pull some guts out and turn it into a -8, but was wondering if anyone was interested. It has been sitting a long time. Mid time engine.

    I have to go to work today so the project goes dormant for a week. Can't wait to get back.

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    Frame gets blasted and primed, then stick it in the jig to check for alignment and then the repairs and mods get made. Then blast the repaired areas, prime them and top coat with a good polyurethane.
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    Ok, I'll get it blasted and primed before I get there, or I'll get there early. Regular sand? Shells?
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    Chris, we look forward t following your progress with this project! Thanks for sharing!

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    Very cool. Read that book on vacation (on the beach in Cancun) in 2001, 6 months before I started my private. I've kept it around (the book) and just this summer was thinking I needed to put it on my winter list for a re-read. Wouldn't cha know, Jim and I are headed to Cancun for a week the first of March. I'll have to do it then

    It will be fun to see it in person when it is finished.

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    Just now catching up on this thread and was able to catch up with chris on an overnight in Raleigh. Totally stoked about seeing this airplane make it back to the sky again and Chris has the look in his eye of a kid on christmas morning when he gets talking about his new airplane. This will be fun!

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    It is a good read, but for my money they took a little too much artistic license. I have done the same trip multiple times, the first in 1966. I started getting suspicious when they were discussing some pass near El Paso, and then causing a Greyhound bus to do a ground loop? No way, or those two would have a criminal record. And dropping things out of a window over Orange County - yeah, maybe, but admit to it in a book? I had no problems with El Paso, even with a tired 65 hp Cub loaded with camping gear. In those days you flew up the river, and didn't talk to anybody.

    Still, a PA-11 with a C-90 might be one of the best airplanes out there, and the history adds to its value.

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    Kern Buck used to fly banners with us in Super Cubs. After Rinker wrote the book, we went on to produce an aerial banner with a larger than life (80 foot long) graphhic of 71H and flew it over an event in England. Brings back a lot of memories with Rinker and Kern. Rinker flew with me in formation from Los Angeles to Orlando in a Starduster II and AgCat -with a slightly extended stop when a cylinder came off the Starduster's engine in Casa Grande.
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    So last week as I was driving 71H home, I passed the Indiana state border. Smiles came to me remembering their proud phone call home to Dad. Later I got to thinking that it was probably the first time she has been back to Indiana since the Buck boys trip out west. Many times these cubs don't make it too far from home. This would be one of those days I would like to call my own Dad, which then saddened me. The highs and lows of emotions for the whole week beginning Tuesday was enormous.

    The Same is NOT true for 30H, my pride and joy J-3. I wish I had the same memory as Rink because she has hit pretty much every state east of the Mississippi. So many stories in addition to the ones I remember. I probably have over 700 hours in that plane. Oddly enough, when I asked my wife April (who is also a fan of the book) if I could purchase 71H, she said "That is fine, but you can't get rid of the J-3." Was not the answer I was expecting. Someday I know 30H will have to be sold. It makes no sense to own 1 cub much less 2.

    When I deposited the wings for 71H in the back of my hangar, I had to tell 30H she wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. All the stories she could tell...

    Like beating Ed Doyle by 2 feet in 2010
    Pulling a Lindbergh a few days later right across Lake Michigan.
    Saving my friend Jeff by quitting during takeoff with just enough room to land ahead, keeping him from FAA enforcement action the day after 9/11.
    Flipping of Navy Key West for sending us 4 miles out over the water to get the the southernmost point.
    Declaring an emergency to land at Destin, which is not controlled, but lies entirely within controlled airspace.
    Going between Navy Jax and Cecil airspace right on the dotted line. Who's airspace is the line?
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    How about the time we went to Mobile and got lost in Mississippi the next morning....
    Oh, and those endless cornfields and lakes
    That cold November morning when the engine quit right over the threshold at Skyhaven when you pulled the power and we had to get out and push
    Flying into the sun to get to Tampa
    Flying Everglades National Park
    Skimming the beaches on the Atlantic Coast of FL
    Skimming the sawgrass on the shores of Green Bay
    Flying the Penobscot River on the way to have dinner with Bruce Bohannon
    The needle valve hanging up on that takeoff uphill at Griffin's field
    Trying to get the damn handheld to work going into ALB
    Turning out over the lake at Kathy and Tim's on hot days with a full load
    When Gil stuffed the plane full of gear to go to the Greenville fly in
    Slips into Luckeys Landing
    Hammerheads over the cruise ships in Key West
    That slight headwind we ran into over Kentucky Lake
    That hilltop airport where we took off and flew sideways in the wind
    The Mighty Missouri river, close up
    Endless wonderful geezers
    The exploding crack houses of Missouri...there's one every few miles
    Steaks at SJs house before we got the band back together that night
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    Now I know why they thought you were a gay couple in Key West
    Were you playing show tunes and Babs singing "Memories" on the I Pod.
    How about mixing in a few terrorizing moments that Cliff would be proud of.
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    oh, you mean the Route 2 approach at Pzincks.....?!?

    I suppose we could remove the Jimmy Buffett and load the iPod with Lady Gaga, Madonna, Queen, Abba, etc. to get in the true party spirit of Key Weird. Great place, great people.
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    Just going through logbooks now. 5 Different engines!
    Born with C-90-8
    A-65-8
    C-85-12
    C-90-12
    C-85-12

    First 337 was from 1948. The best engine removed the first year it was around. Does the Type certificate specify landplane only for this latest engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nesincg View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR3fjA49d4w

    Will most likely do the same paint scheme, minus the giant N numbers.
    Loved the video, especially the last few seconds. Such a proud moment for everyone!

    CONGRATS Chris & April....have fun with the restoration! (don't forget to install a helmet hook for JP...ha)

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    I underestimated how long it takes to clean your garage after a years worth of kitchen remodel. Getting things neat and in order so I can strip this plane. Going to Wicks red tag sale tomorrow. Anyone need anything?
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    Nice video, good thing he had a long field! I remember barely being able to get a Beech Sundowner down and stopped in 5000' when I soloed.

    Looking forward to seeing the plane in the air again!

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    Hey Chris, when you get your garage clean will ya come down and do the same to my hanger?
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    Hey Pierce....I will. I can use some new tools.

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    The metal detector will be in place upon your departure.
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    After 3 days worth of garage cleaning, including moving many storage items from basement shelves out to my hangar, I was ready to get started. Friday consisted of taking a ton of pictures, then removing most of cowling items and much of the interior. April helped me that evening after dinner. We got to the Trim handle and decided to quit there.

    Saturday was spent doing other important items. After dinner April, my friend Phil, and I took a knife to 71H. Most fabric, which was actually in ok shape, was stripped except right behind the boot cowl. I saved the cub special letting from both sides of the tail but otherwise threw the rest in the garbage. I'm still procuring an engine lift to safely remove the c-85.

    There were no major structural problems that I could see right away. Some rust in the usual spots like the window c frames and right below the door. One spot right below the trim crank had been replaced but looks to be rusted again. The birdcage will need much of it rebuilt. A couple joints had some rust. Lower longerons looked ok. They had been replace in the early 90s and has been hangared ever since. There were a half dozen other repairs as well.

    Phil and April worked eagerly until midnight removing all electrical items from the frame. Some items were saved and some wiring was simply cut. I didn't save the rat's nest inside the battery compartment, but the compartment itself was in good shape.

    So I got a few electrical and other items to sell, perhaps here, perhaps on ebay. I'll start a separate thread in for sale / trade section. I need some suggestions on pricing, if they are even worth anything.

    So a quick question? How do I lift this engine safely off when there is no hook on top of the engine? Chains, belts?

    Lenny, trying out the new seat.
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    Great stuff! Won't Lenny be sitting back from now on?

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    Remove the sump, oil pick up tube, and carb and set a car tire on the floor below the engine and with a buddy on each side holding on to the cylinders have them hold the weight while you remove the nuts and bolts and set it on the tire on the ground. I think you midwest boys can handle that. My wife and I hung my C85 ( no cyl ) on my float plane after I first carried it 196' thru a swamp on a 18" wide boardwalk it's not as heavy as you think. If you need to make a sling use a rope or a strap and go around the bottom of the crank and around the top starter bolts and make a loop to lift by.

    Glenn
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    Chris, Looks like you're off to a good start, only about 500 more hours or so an it should be back in the air thats if you have someone else cover the parts that you get ready. If you want to get Amphibs (if someone buys Baumann) I would put on the parking brake during the rebuild cause it's easier then . There is a lifting eye that bolts to the case for lifting the engine then all you have to do is drill a hole in the kitchen floor to hook a strap and come-a-long to . Enjoy the project and it will be nice to have someone to help, just don't scold April, "Maybe" you can get away with scolding Lenny. If you keep the 4" brakes you will need a set of Goodyear 25x11x4 tires also so keep that in mind.

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    Hello Chris and April

    If you wanted to come down to Grove America (my shop is next to the airport KGMJ) we could blast alodine and paint anything you have in a heat shop. the AO blast room is 8ish by 30 something I have plastic and glass bead for the painted non steal and nitric acid to strip the delicate stuff..if you wanted to make a weekend we'd love to have you.

    Eric & Leigh

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    Chris, You can use a strap between the cylinders with baffles removed or drill a steel plate like the original lift tab to remove it. Of course two people can man handle it as well but I like to let the machine do the work these days.
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