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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    I agree, but one would be giving up several inches of baggage area depth by doing such....oh well.....some guys are stuck with those rails.

    I am considering how much damage to the powder coat it will be.... or cutting off the top of the carbon fiber to fit....

    will look in Anchorage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    I am considering how much damage to the powder coat it will be.... or cutting off the top of the carbon fiber to fit....

    will look in Anchorage.
    You will be damaging powder coat with every rivet anyway... No a big issue. Prime the spots Will it fit then?

    Also i thought they DONT field approve otem once an STC is in process?? I would verify

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    Looked at the plane again a bit ago. The rails have about four spots of welding to take out to remove. I will get into the packet of STC's and such that came with the frame, and talk to my buds at the FAA to see what it will take...

    Why do you have to go and build something AFTER I have already gone down the old road??????

    so many cool parts, so little aircraft and $$$$
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    The frame I am doing my test fit in had the welded rails and supports in, 30 min with my dremel multi tool took care of that, was surprised it cut welds that well. test fit the baggage with lid and I am very happy, here are a few shots.

    Randy

    And Yes the frame is in my living room, I don't know why my wife puts up with me but I'm glad she does
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    Randy,

    Since my PMA'd frame has the extended baggage rails, and the STC paperwork for the frame only says 'if extended baggage used flight manual 1801 (or some number like that), dated ... must be used'; why would I need a different STC for your box?

    Asking as a solution to more than one issue I have. Also, is there a reach hole in the top, or can one be added easily to push stuff from the back to the front? AND, can you make them in any other color? Like White?
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    Will know more on the STC question after our next FAA meeting. Does your STC specify what material was to be used for the floor and sides of the Baggage? A hole can easily be cut in the lid, maybe hinge the lid for the hole or make a fabric cover so the lid can be used as a floor for the upper?(looking at making a rear bulkhead for the topside of the lid) Yes colored gel-coat can be added but it will add about 28 OZ and a little $$.

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    I will see you and talk to you in Anchorage.....

    I will do more looking before; no specifics on size, material or shape of extra baggage in my paperwork.
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    I took a scale and checked the weight of my aft baggage...

    I have an .016 upper baggage floor and aft bulkhead, .o16 sides and aft bulkhead below, and .020 floor in the bottom. I have plastic still on all of the .016, no paint yet. The combined weight was 6.56 lbs. There is still the side rails, nut plates and screws to install, which will bring the entire weight up... but it looks like a good 25% savings in weight with the CF baggage...

    Anyone know what the airframes angle for aft baggage total weight is?
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    Randy, here anything from the faa? Has any one tried 337? thanks

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    STC is not done yet, held up on me now I'm going through a divorce. Jerry Lee in Glennallen installed two under a 337 I belive, let me see if I can get a copy.

    Thanks,

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    for me too please!
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    What ever happened with this great mod?

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    Bump... Does anyone know what happened to this carbon fiber extended baggage mod?

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    Slowjunk, I still have it I have not finished the STC but am finally back to it. Had a severe case of life happening, divorce, shutting a business down, new job. I am planning on having one on display at the AK Airmans show and will be on the website soon. Just made one to put in a buddies project they sure install nice, lots of room and light. Carbonconceptsak.com is the site building lots of cool carbon parts for cubs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8856Charlie View Post
    Slowjunk, I still have it I have not finished the STC but am finally back to it. Had a severe case of life happening, divorce, shutting a business down, new job. I am planning on having one on display at the AK Airmans show and will be on the website soon. Just made one to put in a buddies project they sure install nice, lots of room and light. Carbonconceptsak.com is the site building lots of cool carbon parts for cubs!
    It sucks that you had those difficulties. Thanks for replying and providing the update. I really liked your solution and it's awesome that you are now finding time to work on it. I hope you are able to keep us up to date.

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    Have you considered doing one of these for the Willow Mountain STC? I am redoing my fuselage now and am considering that mod.

    Thanx for your time

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    Bump.. Any updates on this baggage? seems better then the other options, is it STC'd?
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    Well, he said he was getting on it five years ago and still not certified...he has gone down the experimental path...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    Well, he said he was getting on it five years ago and still not certified...he has gone down the experimental path...
    damn....
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    Another deceased equine about to take corporal abuse . . . .

    Extended baggage is just a non strucural box, whether aluminum or composite. If you attach it without drilling or welding on structural components of the airframe why does everyone think they need an STC or field approval? Show me the reg that requires anything more than a log entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wireweinie View Post
    Another deceased equine about to take corporal abuse . . . .

    Extended baggage is just a non strucural box, whether aluminum or composite. If you attach it without drilling or welding on structural components of the airframe why does everyone think they need an STC or field approval? Show me the reg that requires anything more than a log entry.

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    Since this thread has been in limbo, there have been quite a bit of 'advancements' in the education and understanding of the regulations by aircraft owners and manufacturing.

    Words like "battery", where in the past was argued by the FAA that you had to have an STC'd battery for model of plane, has now been corrected to be understood that it requires a battery designed and built for aircraft. Same for skis and many other parts. (For aircraft built under CAR-3??)

    With that in mind. Carbon Concepts has been limiting their efforts on items that do require STC's, (pods), and not trying to get approvals for parts not requiring massive paperwork of farm animal roping efforts.

    Buy the slip in pod, and go!
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    You don't need an STC for a pod if you fly it as an external load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akskibum View Post
    You don't need an STC for a pod if you fly it as an external load.
    Great point!

    But all flights would then be in restricted category, limited to Alaska only, and need external load listed on my insurance...

    But it would work!
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