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    I hate those original gascolators for this reason. Had an Extra 300 or a CAP232 loose the bail and start pissing fuel. Luckily it was a short aerobatic flight. This Piper Service Letter covers how to safety wire the original gascolator if you still have it.
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    I still run across 180 owners who use glass strainers... and keep spares! They think the glass bowl is a plus!

    It takes all kinds.
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    Steve P thanks for posting that service link. Anyone still inspecting these hopeless bail gascolators should use this service letter method for sure! No doubt if they are brand new, with a brand new gasket ,and have never been overtightened,.they did work. However my 70 year old one is totally worn out and obviously NOT safe in my estimation....... There will be a new one on there this week!
    There are lots of things that can bite ya, dont let it be; a "pork rind" gascolator!
    Thanks for all the likes everyone!
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    I have several stories like the one you posted of in flight wire bail failures from lucky customers that were able to land safely after the propeller stopped making wind... First guy was a Super Cub in Main that landed in a field... Last one was a guy flying a RG-PA-28 out of Tahoe with his kids and was barely able to make it back to the airport... Both were wire bail failures...

    Makes me wonder how many ATSB reports list unknown engine failures that resulted in pilot and passengers not "walking" away from the scene of the crash..

    Thank you everyone for your business and kind words about my product....

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    I had one on an earlier Piper with a chipped edge glass bowl. Maintenance put it on a belt sander to smooth out the ding and reinstalled. I wasn't aware of the change until it cracked and had to be replaced. Slow leak thankfully. It was entertaining to watch the fuel boil during winter pre-heating but other than that unsafe.

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    Coming back from a caribou hunt, still a fairly green pilot and it was pitch black outside. Flight of two and we couldn't find Wolf Lake(not lighted yet, tired, not yet familiar enough with the area). Decided to bag it and head to known pasture, Birchwood. We landed, borrowed a couple tie downs, secured a ride home, etc.

    Came back to pick up the birds the next day and notice the asphalt wet and chewed up under the firewall. Glass gascolator was wet. When I poked it gently with my finger, fuel began SPRAYING out. What a reminder about fuel pressure and how well a gravity feed system really works.

    "Repaired" it for the quick flight home and had a Steves on order probably that day. Installed one in the 180 as well and never looked back. Every once in a while I think of that ol' glasser spraying fuel under the hood with the slightest turbulence or rough landing and shiver.

    Steves gasolator is one of those mods that is right up there with X braces, bushwheels, take off props and extended gear. And not everyone needs these last three....
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    First mod I did when I bought my Cub. No brainer, Which is good for me.........
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    The previous owner of my C180 installed a Steve's gascolator, and it's really a well-thought-out piece of work.
    But I had the old glass gascolators on my C170 & C150TD, and was OK with them.
    I found the bail apparatus satisfactory, if properly safetied and not allowed to get distorted--
    I think those bails getting bent or whatever were a result of people overtightening them.

    I did like the ability of being able to visually check for debris in the screen.
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    Steve Pierce really enjoys installing the Steve's gascolator on C-180s... he did mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ View Post
    Steve Pierce really enjoys installing the Steve's gascolator on C-180s... he did mine

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    They are super fun on the 180’s


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    A real PITA dropping in that little cotter pin from above to resafety the bowl on the C180 too.
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    Thats why I overhauled my stock one.

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    They are super fun on the 180’s


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Thats why I overhauled my stock one.
    The older ones were glass. Do you want a piece of glass holding the fuel back in a wreck?



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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    A real PITA dropping in that little cotter pin from above to resafety the bowl on the C180 too.
    Use .032 safety wire.. It is an approved method per the ICA..

    I have also used a long pair of needle nose pliers that have a 90 degree bend at the tip... grab the key with those and reach up and drop it in..

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    Mine has a metal bowl. No glass here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    The older ones were glass. Do you want a piece of glass holding the fuel back in a wreck?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Mine has a metal bowl. No glass here.


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    The later model Cessna Gascolators like the one you have are actually pretty good pieces.. as long as they are not corroded out.. major parts for that unit (bowl, top) can exceed the cost of my complete replacement..

    I have talked people out of buying mine to replace that one... for around $120 bucks you can replace all the o-rings and center pull rod and have many more years of service..

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    And for all that missed the post back in 2006 by "Cubscout" referenceing "bail Gascolators" he really
    sumed it up correctly:
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    "GREAT news, Steve's Aircraft now has their gascolator assembly on their Master List to replace the OEM piece-o-junk, which was DESIGNED to leak, and exceeded design specifications, and required substantial time and "verbal lubricants" every 100 hours.
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    PS. Ordered mine last week after a great chat with Steve about Gascolator's and flying. Super nice fella and a wealth of knowledge! Cool to do bussiness with a person that not only answers the phone at the bussiness, but also designed and builds the product your ordering!
    Small and personal gets the nod, Made in
    USA is really still "the best way".
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    Mine was in good shape. Just replaced the parts you mentioned because I had no idea how old the replaced rubber parts were. I loved your unit that I put on my Cub.


    Quote Originally Posted by Steve's Aircraft (Brian) View Post
    The later model Cessna Gascolators like the one you have are actually pretty good pieces.. as long as they are not corroded out.. major parts for that unit (bowl, top) can exceed the cost of my complete replacement..

    I have talked people out of buying mine to replace that one... for around $120 bucks you can replace all the o-rings and center pull rod and have many more years of service..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve's Aircraft (Brian) View Post
    Use .032 safety wire.. It is an approved method per the ICA..
    I have also used a long pair of needle nose pliers that have a 90 degree bend at the tip... grab the key with those and reach up and drop it in.. Brian
    A mechanic buddy of mine just got through installing a Steve's gascolator on a Champ,
    I was talking about the PITA of replacing the cotter key and he suggested some long offset hemostats.
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    I have never had an issue with the cotter pin. Even new the original POS gascolator is a thorn in my side. Safety wired and bent the pigtail and the POS started leaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    A mechanic buddy of mine just got through installing a Steve's gascolator on a Champ,
    I was talking about the PITA of replacing the cotter key and he suggested some long offset hemostats.


    This is what I use for the hard to reach ones...

    A good percentage of the installations are easy to get too though... Cessna 180, early 182 and 206 are the main ones off the top of my head that are a little harder to do..

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    Talked me into it. One quick phone call and it's on the way.

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    I just purchased a SA gascolator to replace the original on my PA-12 rebuild.
    I have seen some installing a stand-off to space the original bracket away from the firewall to give room for the fuel line to come thru the firewall and connect to the gascolator.
    Pros/Cons to this? I think it would allow for a more sealed/cleaner firewall and easier to preflight that connection.
    Also, is 3/8” aluminum standard for the fuel line from the selector to the gascolator or should it best be a flexible line? This airplane has the Cub Crafter fuel selector STC.
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    Yes 3/8” aluminum tube is proper from selector(s) to gascolator


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    I throw the cotter pions in the trash and use these. They are MUCH easier and serve the purpose. They are reusable and can be removed without tools.

    https://www.mcmaster.com/pins/strong...p-cotter-pins/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I throw the cotter pions in the trash and use these. They are MUCH easier and serve the purpose. They are reusable and can be removed without tools.

    https://www.mcmaster.com/pins/strong...p-cotter-pins/
    What size do you order?
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    Those might be great for a Cub installation,
    but for a C180 installation IMHO not so much.
    Too hard to reach up in there & monkey with it.
    I bought a pair of medical hemostats specifically for reaching up & removing
    & especially reinstalling the cotter pin in my Steves gascolator.
    Maybe not according to Hoyle but I leave it unbent,
    it's not about to migrate upward & come out unless I was to pull some sustained negative-g flight.
    In turbulence.
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    I use a small bend. Impossible to vibrate loose, but easy to remove and reinstall without fatiguing it
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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ18 View Post
    What size do you order?
    I dont know.... I actually have a bunch of them and just use the ones I have in my parts bin. I can measure sometime but you can figure it out pretty easily.
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