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    Plane crash in Denali Aug 1st.

    Anyone know anything?

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    The news says the accident was near the park visitor center. Post impact fire. No survivors. Firefighters are trying to put out a small forest fire caused by the crash. Bummer.

    http://www.adn.com/2010/08/01/139110...-national.html

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    damn.

    Saw it take off from Wolf Lake. It was the nice Fairchile taking off. He had on the jet. It was quite impressive. The crash must have took place about a hour later. That is horrible. Sorry folks.

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    Two good friends of mine..........was supposed go to work for one of them tomorrow.

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    Re: damn.

    Quote Originally Posted by articfox
    Saw it take off from Wolf Lake. It was the nice Fairchile taking off. He had on the jet. It was quite impressive. The crash must have took place about a hour later. That is horrible. Sorry folks.
    sad... that confirms it...

    I had just been searching c-123 after seeing it mentioned in some of the comments online and emailing the ADN writer that this looked to be the only flying one left in alaska..... and what I found...

    http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/C123%20Census.htm

    http://www.google.com/search?num=100...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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    the plane that went down sunday was a C-123 J model called "Large Marge" a retired military plane from the vietnam war era, the plane was being used to haul a generator from the Mat Su Valley area to the nome area, they flew through the cantwell area to avoid increased traffic due to the air show, There where three men aboard i understand that this and the EAFB crash are related but that is a terrible thing to spend half an article about one crash relating it to another crash when there is a lack of information you do not fill it in with another story you simply say that you don't know more and to postpone it till you know more. no one has been to the crash site to confirm or deny fatalities due to the fire and asinine bureaucracy of the government, being as they have to wait for the NTSB before they can go into the crash site. one of the members of the flight activated his emergency beacon meaning that he survived the crash, you do not wait ten to twelve hours for someone to drive up and identify the plane before looking for survivors when you know that at least one member of the flight made it through. the plane had an engine out and was attempting to land on a road when a turn in the road prevented them from continuing. This is mostly speculation and should not be taken as fact, because all of my information is second or third hand which is unbelievable in itself as my father was on that flight so adn and all of you people commenting on this article can go f*** off

    Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/08/01/139110...#ixzz0vQlZm0Bs

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    C-123

    Doug was this WB? He is a good friend of ours, and from the description of the plane and company sounds like its him. I'm in Thailand and its late in AK so don't want to call back there.

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    hmmm now saying delta junction plane..

    http://newsminer.com/view/full_story...dow_left_top_1

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    I am so sick. These guys were very special close friends. I have been working with them, and they have been helping me for years. I don't know what to say ----- and am at a loss. Please pray for their family and friends. And please pray for all of us who knew them. I miss them so.

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    good write up here
    http://newsminer.com/view/full_story...dow_left_top_1

    but which plane was it? ??????????????????????
    http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/C123%20Census.htm
    shows that
    N709RR 20158 Stored by Ray Petkow at Wendover Utah/Nevada. Ex-Con Air filming. Registered to All West Freight Inc, Delta Junction, Alaska.
    as a plane registered & stored by someone out of delta junction and
    N4254H 20052 Flown by Compass Rose, Wasilla, Alaska.
    as the flying one, or did they get a second one flying? info from 2009.... or was that n number just nicer with its
    History.. N709RR, the same aircraft used in the filming of the movie "ConAir."
    http://www.oldwings.nl/content/con_air/con_air.htm

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    It was "Large Marge" the plane that was in the movie Con Air. The other one that he owns is the plane that was in the movie Dumbo Drop and it's still parked in Delta. The plane at Wendover is just a shell that was used for ground shots and was painted to look the same......it doesn't fly.

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    Re: C-123

    Quote Originally Posted by PA12Tray
    Doug was this WB? He is a good friend of ours, and from the description of the plane and company sounds like its him. I'm in Thailand and its late in AK so don't want to call back there.
    Yes..................

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    Thanks Dough, Rob sent me PM informing me the same....will talk to my Dad later and see if there is anything we can do....I really looked up to WB as a kid growing up and later as a pilot myself.

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    Re: C-123

    Edit.... Different WB.....

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    So sorry to hear, Truly a neat guy and a Great Loss....

    Prayers to Family and Friends

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    Heard this morning it was in fact Wild B.
    Knowing him like I do, I sure want to hear the rest of the story.

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    Kinda hard to believe WB is really gone. Just heard him on point 9 a couple days ago too, wish I'd have said hello.


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    Both Wild Bill and John Eshleman (co-pilot) were very close friends of mine. I taught them both to fly helicopters and flew with both of them often. John and I talked almost every other day. Both were crazy aviation fanatics like the rest of us, and were always looking to the next "fun" thing.

    John almost had his C123 done, and was getting ready for training and test flying later this month. He was getting some extra time in Bills prior to his being done. John told me Friday night he was going to be riding with Bill over the weekend, so last night when word came out it was Bill's plane, I knew John must have been there also.

    Bill has been hauling a lot of fuel to Puntilla so we talked daily on the radio on either .9 or "fingers".

    John owned Steppers Construction in Wasilla and Wolf Lake Airport. He leaves behind a wonderful wife and kids. Bill also leaves behind a wonderful wife, Barbie.

    They were both special friends that come around once in a lifetime. I miss them terribly. Please keep all the family and friends in your thoughts and prayers.
    Mark

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    Sad just sad. The crew and plane will be missed.

    Conair lost a crew and Convair 580 on saturday, a C17 lost in Anchorage AK,
    http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/downl...le.php?id=3759

    Just a rotten month,

    Tailwinds comrades





    Thank a sheepdog today for they are standing guard!

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    Wild Bill help a lot of people out in the remote areas. He was one heck of a pilot. Only a mid air or mechanical would have brought him down. I must be getting old but I am starting to count up a lot of friends that have been lost through aviation.

    Rest easy my friends.

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    Bill's service is saturday in Delta..........



    "Wild Bill" Michel died Aug. 1, 2010, at the age of 61, in an airplane crash at Denali Park.

    There will be a celebration of his life at 4 p.m. Saturday at the First Baptist Church in Delta Junction.

    He born May 24, 1949, and raised in upstate New York before coming to Alaska in the early '70s at the age of 24.

    Wild Bill started doing dirt work, building roads in the Sterling area, but his passion was flying. He piloted his first plane at the age of 15. He flew thousands of hours throughout Alaska, delivering supplies and building airfields in the most remote areas of the state.

    He was a man who would do anything for anyone and proved it many times. Wild Bill lived and died doing what he loved best.

    He is survived by his wife, Barbie of Delta Junction; stepson, Jamie Foster of Arkansas; stepdaughter, Jodie Ward of Tennessee; stepson, Jesse "Moe" Sheldon of Wasilla; sisters, Rita Marie Dreimiller of New York, Pat Powers of New York and Chris Hachten of New York; brothers, Ed Michel of Florida and Dan Michel of Sterling; seven stepgrandchildren; and numerous nieces and nephews.

    He will be missed by all.



    Published in adn.com from August 4 to August 5, 2010

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    Sorry, I posted this before reading the previous post.

    For those who are interested, Wild Bill's memorial service will be in Delta Junction this Saturday the 7th of August at the 1st Baptist Church at 4pm. I don't know the address, but it is on the South side of the Richardson Highway just past the IGA Market when heading towards Fairbanks.

    On the following Saturday the 14th of August, there will be a celebration of life for John Eshleman, Wild Bill, and Paul Quartly at Wolf Lake Airport in front of Steppers Construction at 2pm.

    See You There
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    Heard today he had an engine out. C123 doesn't fly very good with a heavy load, on one engine. Tried to land on road, road curved.
    From a good source, but still rumor.

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    Re: 3 killed in Alaska cargo plane crash on Denali


    " I just heard it on very good authority that they were aligned with the park road until the last second when a bus rounded a corner and came into their path. Bus driver thought that a collision was imminent and that they were all goners. Sounds like the plane banked to avoid the oncoming bus and save 40+ lives."


    I received this info from someone in area who would rather not be named........ if true it would explain a few things.

    Hope it brings some comfort to both friends and family


    A celebration of life for Bill, John and Paul at 2 p.m. Aug. 14 at the Wolf Lake Airport in Wasilla.

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    Wild Bill made an impromptu favor to me that was very much appreciated and really never repaid back in 1998, stashing some fuel for me on a beach down on the Alaska Peninsula, on his way in the 206 to pick up some fishermen from Port Heiden. Simple favor but where he was the only one who could do it. He made my Super Cub trip there to Cape Senivian with my Mom feasible.

    The stories others have told of his personal care and capability are one of a kind for sure. His successful nighttime search 100 miles away, also in his 206, for a trio who didn't show up by 10 pm for a Christmas party that he knew should be there.....turns out their 12 skiplane had gone through the ice up to the wing in overflow near an unheated cabin and once off the lake soaked to the skin and freezing they were trying to make it throught the night when Wild Bill showed up, and circled incessantly until all showed their faces at the cabin door.....and he flew back to town and got basically the entire contents of a Fred Meyer in that 206 and returned and bombed them with sleeping bags and food and everything else to make it through the night.....

    My thoughts go to all those gathered today in his memory.

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    A wonderful send off for Wild Bill in Delta yesterday. Then a gathering at his place and a couple of nice fly overs with a missing man formation. Even met some great supercub.org folks.

    The stories and pictures at the service were wonderful. The family is so appreciative of the support and love from around the state.

    Another send off for all three, Wild Bill, John Eshleman, and Paul at the Wolf Lake Airport next Saturday at 2:00. It should be a fun gathering. Planned for in front of Eshleman's Steppers Construction office, next to his 123.

    Mark

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    Farewell Bill, you were the best!

    Thank you Bill for all your help!




    Farewell for now Bill, you will never be forgotten! Never!


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    'Wild Bill’ Michel, who died in Denali plane crash, mourned
    by Molly Rettig / mrettig@newsminer.com



    FAIRBANKS — The plane crash in Denali National Park and Preserve last week cost three men their lives. It also cost Alaska one of its legendary Bush pilots, miners a crucial supplier and the aviation community an icon.

    Bill “Wild Bill” Michel, 61, ran All West Freight Inc. out of Delta Junction and was killed when his Fairchild C-123 crashed in Denali on Aug. 1. Also killed in the crash were John Eshleman, 52, of Wasilla and Paul Quartly, 66, of Wasilla.

    “Bill’s passing has left a huge void,” said Dave Redgrave, logistics manager for Alaska Earth Sciences, a mineral exploration company in Anchorage. Redgrave has been a client and friend of Michel’s for about five years. “We relied on him for fuel and getting it done in some of the worst conditions across the state,” he said.

    Michel was known in the mining and aviation communities in Alaska for being able to fly anything anywhere.

    Although business partners and friends describe him as “capable” first and foremost, he’s also famous for his larger-than-life personality, pocket-pistol belt buckle, can-do spirit and attention to detail.

    “When Bill was on the job, you just never had a Plan B,” Redgrave said. “He was an eminently capable human being.”

    Michel’s trademark was flying heavy loads such as tractors, bulldozers, generators and fuel to remote places with short-field takeoffs and landings.

    “Just about everything you would need if you were mining out in the middle of rural Alaska,” said Rob Stapleton, a pilot and photographer in Anchorage who knew Michel.

    His aviation abilities were virtually unmatched, according to his customers.

    “In a sky van, he was an artist. It was beyond a skill level, it was into the realm of being a true artisan in the way he handled that thing,” Redgrave said.

    Though Michel specialized in large aircraft like the C-123, his hangar in Delta Junction also housed other airplanes and helicopters.

    When Stapleton visited, one plane made a big impression: an experimental aircraft with a big, boxy fuselage and a radial engine in the same category as the Cessna 208 Caravan.

    “Only a guy who was interested in carrying really heavy loads and moving stuff would really be interested in this stuff,” he said.

    Tim La Porte, pilot and owner of Iliamna Air Taxi (225 miles southwest of Anchorage), said it will be nearly impossible to fill Michel’s shoes.

    “He did stuff for the (Tazimina Hydroelectric Project) here that is totally irreplaceable. They were walking these excavators out in the middle of the winter out on cement blocks. They were doing stuff on the ragged edge on the side of a great big waterfall. (The manager) said he had them doing this work for him but he couldn’t even watch them do it.”

    Though Michel did jobs other pilots wouldn’t dare, he never put business before safety, his acquaintances said.

    He didn’t take reckless risks or carry more than he could handle.

    “He was a very attuned and a very meticulous person,” said Fred Hurt, a miner who contracted Michel for a series of trips to Little Squaw Lake in the Arctic last summer. He delivered 18,000-pound loads with items like a front-end loader, Caterpillar and other machinery, Hurt said.

    “He was very strict on his procedures,” he said. “He always did flyovers on the runway to make sure there were no bears or moose standing on the airport or crazy people running around on four-wheelers.”

    Planes weren’t Michel’s only forte. He also built airstrips for customers such as Alaska Earth Sciences.

    “We had some things started with nothing more than a frozen beaver pond in the Arctic down in the middle winter. He sketched out enough of a runway to get a (Cessna) 206 in it with a snowblower and enough equipment,” Redgrave said.

    He was meticulous about all equipment, not just planes, Redgrave said. Michel’s high standards and precision made him hard to work with, several acquaintances said.

    “You didn’t want to work with Bill. You wanted Bill to be doing your work for you,” Redgrave said. “Half the time, you had to ask yourself who was paying who here.”

    Michel was an eccentric Alaska character, friends said.

    “His belt buckle had a Derringer, a firing Derringer,” said Steve Borell, executive director of Alaska Miners Association.

    He also was described as tremendously courteous and funny.

    “No matter how hard he was working, he always had time to pause and tell a story or a quick joke, always at his expense, never picking on anybody,” said Redgrave.

    Hurt compared Michel to the Energizer bunny.

    “He would come over at 10 or 11 at night getting ready to start another project. I kept asking ‘Bill, when do you ever sleep?’”

    When he wasn’t flying freight, he was spending time with his wife, Barbie, and flying his daughter around in his red helicopter, Hurt said.

    Michel is greatly missed personally and professionally.

    “People are so totally devastated, they don’t have any idea how they’re going to move their fuel, their drills and their products to these weird places,” La Porte said.

    And for his passion.

    “It’s difficult for me to conceive of an Alaska without Wild Bill going full-throttle, bouncing off runways,” Redgrave said. “It’s gonna be much less fun without Bill.”

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    another version.... seems to be a work in progress

    http://newsminer.com/view/full_story...dow_left_top_2

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    http://www.oldwings.nl/content/ak77/n709rr.htm

    A friend sent this to me on 2 August and mentioned this aircraft may have gone down just hours before. I looked at the website and forgot about it until I read this thread and then went back and looked at my old emails and recovered this.

    Interesting piece of work by aviation enthusiasts. Hope this helps some folks with the memories of the pilots.

    Tom Constantine
    Marine Corps Aviation since 1966

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    I heard rumor that Wild Bill had lost a engine and was trying to land on the parks runway when a tour bus pulled onto the runway. Wild Bill attempted a go around to avoid the bus. You know the rest of the story. Anyone else hear the same story? After this week settles down a little maybe we can get the real facts.

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    If anyone is planning to fly into Wolf Lake this Saturday for the services for John, Bill, and Paul, there will be a NOTAM posted that states that the airport will be closed during the services.

    I just talked to Barb, and they are requesting that no one lands between 1pm and 4pm. They are going to park all transient aircraft on the gravel crosswind runway on the West end. If I find out more, I will post any other info as soon as I get it.

    http://frontiersman.com/articles/201...9222003764.txt

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    Witness To Denali National Park Accident Said Engines 'Were Really Working'
    Mon, 30 Aug '10
    NTSB Releases Preliminary Report August 1st Accident
    Clues to the cause of an accident August 1st in Denali National Park in Alaska are not readily apparent, based on the NTSB's preliminary report. One witness did tell the NTSB that the engines of the Fairchild FA-C123K were "really working" as the airplane passed overhead at between 300 and 500 feet, but it looks as if the board has its work cut out for it with this one.
    NTSB Identification: ANC10FA067
    14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
    Accident occurred Sunday, August 01, 2010 in McKinley Park, AK
    Aircraft: FAIRCHILD C-123K, registration: N709RR
    Injuries: 3 Fatal.
    This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
    On August 1, 2010, at 1500 Alaska daylight time, N709RR, a Fairchild FA-C123K twin engine transport category airplane was destroyed when it collided with terrain while maneuvering over Denali National Park, Alaska. The commercial certificated captain, the private pilot first officer, and the passenger were fatally injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by All West Freight, Incorporated, Delta Junction, Alaska. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight that originated at the Wolf Lake Airport (4AK6), Palmer, Alaska, and was destined for Unalakleet Airport (PAUN), Unalakleet, Alaska. No flight plan was filed for the business flight conducted under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91.
    The purpose of the flight was to transport a large generator to Unalakleet. A review of air traffic control (ATC) services along the route of flight revealed that the pilot was not in contact with ATC, and no radar service was provided.
    According to a family member, the airplane departed Wolf Lake approximately 1400. At 1452, a witness, who was hunting about 10 miles south of Cantwell, Alaska, observed the airplane flying about 300-500 feet high above Parks Highway near mile-marker 195. The witness, who is a certificated pilot, said the airplane was flying straight and level and headed north toward Denali National Park. He stated that the landing gear and flaps were retracted and the engines were “really working” and “I felt the air vibrate as the airplane flew by.” The witness did not observe any smoke trailing from the airplane or anything unusual. He said the ceiling at the time was approximately 3,500 to 4,000 feet and the surrounding mountains were partially obscured. The witness took two photos of the airplane and one of the mountain obscuration. He provided a copy of these photos to the Safety Board, and they properly depict his observations.
    Another witness, who was also a private pilot, was eating lunch on the deck at the Crow’s Nest, which is a restaurant on the hillside adjacent to the entrance into Denali National Park. The witness first observed the airplane flying straight and level from her left to right near the main entrance area to the park. Everything appeared to be normal. The witness could not estimate the airplane’s altitude, but said it was in “slow flight” and in a 30 degree nose down descent. There was no smoke trailing the airplane. She then observed the airplane pitch straight up near vertical, stall, then roll left, and nose dive toward the ground. The witness did not see the impact, but saw two large mushroom clouds after she lost sight of the airplane. The weather at the time was “clear skies with a high ceiling.” The witness took two photographs of the airplane. The first photo shows the airplane in straight and level flight. The second photo was taken several seconds later and showed the airplane inverted in a near vertical descent just above the tree line.

    Fairchild C-123 File Photo
    Numerous people observed the airplane flying low and slow over the park before it entered a steep left bank and then nosedive into the ground. The sound of the engines was loud and an increase in pitch was heard right before impact. Several of these witnesses also observed that the landing gear was retracted.
    The airplane impacted sloping, wooded terrain adjacent to Park Road, which is the main road into Denali National Park. The accident site was located between the visitor’s center and the Park’s headquarters complex. The airplane collided with numerous standing Spruce trees that were densely situated on the hillside. Numerous cut branches were strewn around the accident site on both the left and right side of the wreckage. Examination of these cut tree limbs revealed flat angular fractures with black paint transfer marks.
    The airplane came to rest upright on a 060 degree heading at an elevation of 2,158 feet mean sea level (msl). The wreckage was confined to an approximately 250-foot by 300-foot-wide area. A post impact fire consumed most of the cockpit area, fuselage, inboard sections of the wings (around fuel tanks), both flaps, and damaged a majority of the tail section and outboard sections of the wings. The post impact fire also started a small forest fire around the main wreckage and to an area adjacent to the accident site.
    Examination of the airplane revealed that all major flight control surfaces were located at the site, including the two R2800 radial engines and the two jet-assist engines. Flight control continuity was established for all flight control surfaces to the cockpit. The left wing (including the aileron)exhibited impact and fire damage as did the right wing and aileron. The vertical stabilizer, the rudder and rudder trim sustained impact and fire damage and came to rest on top of the cockpit area. The right horizontal stabilizer exhibited fire and impact damage, and came to rest on top of the right wing. A section of the right elevator remained attached to the stabilizer, but the fabric had burned away, exposing the metal framework. The left horizontal stabilizer sustained extensive fire damage, and was found on the left side of the fuselage near where the left wing fuel tank was located. A small section of elevator remained attached to the stabilizer.
    The generator came to rest upright, and was in the center of the wreckage, which was consistent with the location of the cargo bay. The nose gear was observed just forward and partially under the generator. The ramp to the cargo bay and the main landing gear came to rest aft of the generator and exhibited fire and impact damage.
    Both engines came to rest on their respective sides next to the cockpit. The left engine was upright, but partially buried in the ground and sustained impact and fire damage. A propeller blade remained attached, but was turned 180 degrees in the hub. The blade was intact and if orientated correctly, would be bent forward. The other two blades were buried in a small impact crater just forward of the engine. Both blades had separated at the hub and exhibited extensive leading edge damage and chordwise gouging and scoring. The left jet engine came to rest just forward of the left wing.
    The right engine came to rest with the propeller hub buried about 2- 3 feet into the ground and sustained fire and impact damage. A segment of one of the propeller blades was found on Park Road. Another section of a blade was found just forward of the right wing, and another section of a blade was found in the impact crater near the propeller hub. The right jet engine came to rest just aft of the right wing.
    The pilot held a commercial pilot certificate for airplane single-engine land and sea, multi-engine land, rotorcraft-helicopter, and instrument airplane. He also held a type rating for the FA-C123, and was restricted to flights conducted under visual flight rules only. The pilot's last Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) second class medical was issued on May 27, 2010. At that time, he reported a total of 20,000 flight hours.
    The co-pilot held a private pilot certificate for airplane single and multi-engine land, rotorcraft-helicopter, and instrument airplane. His last recorded FAA third class medical was issued on June 28, 1989.
    According to the type certificate data sheet (NO. A12NM), the airplane required a minimum of two crew; a pilot and copilot. However, according to the FAA, the co-pilot was not required to hold a type rating in the airplane but was required to have some training in the airplane.
    Weather at McKinley National Park Airport (PAIN) about 1 mile east of the accident site, at 1516, was reported as wind 130 degrees at 6 knots, visibility 10 miles, few clouds at 5,500 feet, scattered clouds at 10,000 feet, temperature of 24 degrees Celsius, dewpoint 11 degrees Celsius, and a barometric pressure setting of 30.02 inches of Mercury.
    FMI: www.ntsb.gov

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    prolly based from above post by george....

    NTSB releases witness accounts of Denali plane crash

    http://www.adn.com/2010/09/02/143728...-accounts.html

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    I take all NTSB reports with a grain of salt. Read the report on my midair. I think the fact that the other pilot was on the wrong radio frequency might be a cause, also the fact that he didn't follow the NOTAM. My point is don't form an opinion based solely on what someone from the NTSB writes.
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    I would second Steve's point. In two accidents (both involving fatalities) that I am familiar with, the NTSB's conclusions were absolutely incorrect, and proof was provided to the NTSB representative to that effect. Neither would have changed the outcome, but one would hope that accuracy in reporting should be the holy grail for NTSB. Not so in those cases.

    Even on appeal, (and there were no violations involved) the NTSB refused to hear the facts, and came to inaccurate conclusions.

    That's when I gave up reading NTSB reports, UNLESS they cover an airline incident--that's the only accidents the NTSB seems to care about as far as accuracy goes.

    These types of accidents, the investigator can't wait to wrap it up and get back to the office, it seems .

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    I third steve and MTV's thoughts...

    being that we made a handful of reports for them in a few years they were accurate about 50/50,

    but they never came out in person to review them, we'd just call and they'ed say just send pictures and a write-up....

    after the last 185 got totaled 11 days after knocking the gear off the other.... the Anchorage Faa mentioned the DC Faa called and said 'one more'....... anchorage was not happy to get the call.....

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    Factual is out, nothing major noted by the FAA

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    Has there been anything new revealed about this?
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