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    Combining in Montana

    Anyone with experience operating machinery want to come to Mt. and drive a new John Deere Combine for the wheat harvest next week?
    One of my customers was in a 4-wheeler wreck AFTER he was run over by a bull and had to have surgery last week leaving the operation shorthanded. I sat in one for several years but the grasshopper spraying is going to keep me in my hot old spray plane instead of a nice new air-conditioned combine.

    If your interested get a hold of me or 12geezer2. He has been coming out for 3 or 4 years now.

    It will be long days with great people and food and you won't get rich but if you enjoy this kind of thing you will have a blast.

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    Dave: Hoppers everywhere here too... all the cars look like hell and everything which moves down the road stinks from hoppers in the working parts. Only the game-birds and spray pilots like this. Ralph
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    Are there an unusual abundance of insects this year? Just curious if they are cyclic and how they could affect yields without intervention.

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    It actually sounds like fun!

    Sorry my work schedule will not let me go that far. When I retire I think I will try that.
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    I think this is the area where the "BIG SKY" thing came from. REALLY good people-- and occasionally get to "borrow" ag-pilots supercub just for fun---not to mention all the fine food--home made cinnamon rolls--and the best "cow meat" ANYWHERE !!!!

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    Sounds fun Dave. I worked on a custom crew in the Big Sandy area 30 some years ago for a few summers. But can't get away now. As I remember we had IH 915 combines back then - sound right?

    The grass hoppers are terrible in western Montana too. The worst I've seen.
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    The best cow meat I ever ate was in MT

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    combining in MT

    Sorry folks, The harvest will start this coming week some time depending on weather and run through the end of August.If you call 406-234 4575 between 6 and 7 am and talk to Jerry you can get all the details. These combines have 36' headers and are there is quite a bit to keep track of in the uneven ground so experience with machinery will be a bug advantage.

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    Hoppers are terrible here in NE WYO as well. Just had my place sprayed last week. I wish I could come up and get some combining in but then I would have to find someone to come here and put up the second cutting of hay.

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    should be done wringing Deano out by tuesday I'll send him home to recharge for a few days, He wrote the Book on combining... awesome help, We are blessed that he comes out here to help!! matt
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    I am a farm boy in Minnesota and would like to do this but can't this year, Keep my phone number and call me next year. 612-597-5112
    I am 60 years old and trying to retire.
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    combining

    Still need someone from around the 20th of August until around the first of September. That is when all the high-school/college help will head back to school leaving a short crew.
    Call Jerry Singleton at 406-234-4575 between 6 & 7 am or send me a PM

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    Where are you at in MT? Is there a place to store my plane if I fly up?

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    Dave
    Your chief combiner just pulled in at 4:30 this morn as I was getting to the airport.
    (I think he's playing couch potato at the present after his 24+ hr stint)
    I may be wrong but that probably won't stop me from arguing about it.

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    Just reminiscing ---some of the "good old days"---of not so long ago. More "couch potato" now, than combiner OR aviator.....Those long days in Montana and people/ places beyond GREAT MEMORIES Many Thanks to ALL !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ag-pilot View Post
    Sorry folks, The harvest will start this coming week some time depending on weather and run through the end of August.If you call 406-234 4575 between 6 and 7 am and talk to Jerry you can get all the details. These combines have 36' headers and are there is quite a bit to keep track of in the uneven ground so experience with machinery will be a bug advantage.

    Dave
    Holy guacamole, Dude! 36 foot headers? I worked two seasons for a custom cutter waaaaay back. He ran nothing but Gleaner Model Rs with what we thought were HUGE headers.....24 feet!

    I don't even want to think about keeping track of 36 feet of header in the hills and rocks, thank you. Oh, and my former boss would be rolling over in his grave if he knew I was running a green machine....

    Last season we ended near Cut Bank, cutting ten inch barley in four inches of snow......big fun. Last time I was really happy to get back to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Holy guacamole, Dude! 36 foot headers? I worked two seasons for a custom cutter waaaaay back. He ran nothing but Gleaner Model Rs with what we thought were HUGE headers.....24 feet!

    I don't even want to think about keeping track of 36 feet of header in the hills and rocks, thank you. Oh, and my former boss would be rolling over in his grave if he knew I was running a green machine....

    MTV
    Right. I think I'll just stay hiding in the corner.

    I used to run a Massey Harris 21 without a cab and an 18 foot header. It was scary on the hills with its belt drive. We upgraded to a JD 105 with a swamp cooler. I look at combines now and get a little scared at how big and expensive they are.

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    combining is a lot of programing in things these days. hold my beer and watch this. be leary of this guy looking for a machine to run.https://www.newsbreak.com/north-dako...rested-for-dui

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    I was just about to call Dave about killing these hoppers,than I saw the date.
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    Sorry Cub Doctor---just recalling some better days---AND Mike of Montana----I first ran a combine at Grandin North Dakota WAY back in 1957 (700 miles from my Wyoming home). 7 dollars a day plus board and room---it was an old CO-OP (Cockshutt ???)---NO CAB---MUCH dust AND barley beards in the armpits---Those TOO were some very special days---and special people. GOOD home cookin ---often 5 times a day and at 13 years old I could really eat----
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperCub MD View Post
    I was just about to call Dave about killing these hoppers,than I saw the date.
    Ha ! Yea nothing new. Same old rehash of killing hoppers.
    Well except we are running 45 ft headers now.
    I may be wrong but that probably won't stop me from arguing about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Geezer2 View Post
    Sorry Cub Doctor---just recalling some better days---AND Mike of Montana----I first ran a combine at Grandin North Dakota WAY back in 1957 (700 miles from my Wyoming home). 7 dollars a day plus board and room---it was an old CO-OP (Cockshutt ???)---NO CAB---MUCH dust AND barley beards in the armpits---Those TOO were some very special days---and special people. GOOD home cookin ---often 5 times a day and at 13 years old I could really eat----
    yes, man the food was incredible.....the bosses wife was the cook and she figured a 17 year old kid ought to eat like a horse. When we moved north of SD the boss took cabs off the machines.....said we couldn’t see the headers well enough in hilly and rocky country. Ith straw choppers installed......dust??? Oh yeah.

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    When I first arrived on the Montana scene, the machine I ran had a 42 foot header as I recall---something called a honey bee or something like that ---Ag-pilot I am sure remembers. When I first talked with Dave about this, I mentioned that my dear mother graduated high school at Custer County High (class of 1921) She then attended something called "finishing school" while working at the now long gone BRATH HOTEL for board and room. After graduation she taught at several one room schools----Kirby-----Moorehead----and Ismay as I recall. Mom and Dad were married there in Miles City in 1929. Dad grew up on the west side of the Powder River (Otter Creek) and homesteaded on Bloom Creek. Dad served in France in WWI. Mom grew up in a large family on the east side of the Powder on Bay Horse Creek. When they married they moved to Wyarno, Wyoming (12 miles east of Sheridan) where Dad was postmaster and operated a small grocery store. I was about 2 years old when our family moved to Dayton, Wy where I grew up (well, sort of grew up) ---sorry I am an "old geezer" rambling----As my 90 year old brother in law says---"it's been a heck of a ride".
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    The combiner above and around my place was from Iowa, and he said the view was the best he'd ever seen! A 40' tracked machine, he said the slopes were also the most trecerous he'd ever worked. In the days he was here, I kept him entertained upon my arrival home, as figured he was plenty used to low flying planes.

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    I found it interesting when we moved back to the Lower 48 that almost all the custom cutters that came through Minnesota these days were Australians. I talked to one of the owners and he said that can't get young folks from here to do that kind of work these days.

    Seriously? I thought I'd cut a fat hog doing that work.

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    Wow how time flys. One thing that’s still the same is the grasshoppers were about as bad this year as back then and will be worse next year so keep the 802 fueled up Mark.
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    Not to hijack this thread, but seeing as how you folks are local to MT I thought this may be a good place to ask. Is there anyone in the Billings area that does flight instruction in a tailwheel? I want to get my private but I'd like to be in a tailwheel from the beginning as that's the main type of aircraft that interests me and beyond that I feel like going tailwheel to nosewheel would be much easier than the opposite. Any and all input/direction is very much appreciated.
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    There are a lot of pitfalls to that request.
    1. are you going to buy the tw airplane to learn in?
    2. you have to get one that has all the bells and whistles to take the checkride in.
    3. No one in this part of the world is going to send you off in their tw airplane to do all the cross countries etc.

    Id recommend getting all your ducks in a row, getting your license as quiickly as possible in what ever is available locally, then spend the next year learning to fly a tw airplane properly
    You will be time and money and progress ahead on your flying.





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    Thanks for the reply!
    I guess that I may have worded my question poorly or been unclear, I'm looking for a school or instructor that has an airplane that they use for instruction that can be rented to take lessons in.
    I'm pretty new to the whole process, so forgive my ignorance to the do's and dont's of learning to fly.
    What bells and whistles would an airplane like a Cessna 120 or 140 lack that a typical 150 trainer wouldn't? I realize there's a much steeper learning curve and more liability for the instructor which is why I ask if such a school/instructor/airplane exists?
    Again, I'm new to it all but I know the end goal, and I'm just trying to find out if its possible to take this route in my area code.
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    The point S2D made above is valid. What you're missing is that there is a HUGE difference in offering dual instruction in a tailwheel airplane and allowing the student to SOLO that plane, and at least one cross country has to be solo.

    I don't even want to know what an insurance company would charge for student solo.

    So, the problem you'll run into is that a school may have a tailwheel airplane, but most won't permit solo.

    The other option, of course, would be to purchase a tailwheel airplane, then try to find a competent instructor who will take you through the PPL syllabus in that airplane. And, there, YOU will be paying the insurance company big bucks.

    I agree with the comment above: Find a good school, sign up with them to complete your Private Pilot Certificate, then get a tailwheel endorsement.

    I taught in a university flight training program. We had a Top Cub to provide students with tailwheel endorsements and some experience. I insisted that students be allowed to solo the airplane once they'd completed the required syllabus.

    One day I got a call which said no more solo in the Cub. We had no incidents in it, but the insurance company said they would NOT insure solo operations in that airplane.

    As to equipment, the PPL practical test doesn't require a lot of stuff.

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    That makes a lot of sense.
    My grandfather and father both learned in a J3 so I found it odd that its a rarity nowadays. But like most things in aviation it seems, prices have dramatically changed and that includes the cost of insurance.
    Thank you for explaining that dynamic for me, I guess I'll have to just bite the bullet and start taking lessons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm just lurking View Post
    That makes a lot of sense.
    My grandfather and father both learned in a J3 so I found it odd that its a rarity nowadays. But like most things in aviation it seems, prices have dramatically changed and that includes the cost of insurance.
    Thank you for explaining that dynamic for me, I guess I'll have to just bite the bullet and start taking lessons.
    Youll enjoy the learning and the challenges. Make a plan to fly twice a week or more if you can. Going into winter, you’ll cancel some due to weather. Work hard on the private certificate.....it can be challenging at times, but persistence will get you there. Put the tailwheel endorsement as the next goal after you complete the Private, and use that as a treat to look forward to.

    When you get there, get in touch with a guy who goes by Kase on this forum. He’s in Billings, and can give you some good advise.

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    What about just buying a cheap taildragger to learn in, and forget about insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBottomly View Post
    Right. I think I'll just stay hiding in the corner.

    I used to run a Massey Harris 21 without a cab and an 18 foot header. It was scary on the hills with its belt drive. We upgraded to a JD 105 with a swamp cooler. I look at combines now and get a little scared at how big and expensive they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Holy guacamole, Dude! 36 foot headers? I worked two seasons for a custom cutter waaaaay back. He ran nothing but Gleaner Model Rs with what we thought were HUGE headers.....24 feet!

    I don't even want to think about keeping track of 36 feet of header in the hills and rocks, thank you. Oh, and my former boss would be rolling over in his grave if he knew I was running a green machine....

    Last season we ended near Cut Bank, cutting ten inch barley in four inches of snow......big fun. Last time I was really happy to get back to school.

    MTV
    I think my grandfather would call today's new equipment child's play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertc View Post
    I think my grandfather would call today's new equipment child's play.

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    Wowsers, no sleep for those fellas. All night hitching and unhitching for probly a couple hours of cutting. But hey, they were innovative. Ive never seen a menure spreader attached to a combine on any of the new stuff.
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    I knew a couple of old-timers that did that. Amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1934A View Post
    What about just buying a cheap taildragger to learn in, and forget about insurance?
    I've considered taking that route but feel like being a novice pilot in an uninsured airplane is testing my luck a tad bit more than I'm comfortable with.

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    Instead of paying for insurance, take whatever amount your premium would be, and invest it... Find a good instructor, fly within your limits, be smart, then laugh all the way to the bank!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1934A View Post
    What about just buying a cheap taildragger to learn in, and forget about insurance?
    I have a 85hp champ I’d sell reasonable I bought it for some guys around here to learn and they lost interest.


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