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    Any good biplanes for sale?

    Hey gang,

    I'm currently in the market for an antique biplane. Anybody know of any GOOD airplanes for sale? I don't want a project, basket case, ratty ramp rat, or anything that needs work. I want to buy and fly. I'd be specifically interested in a Waco, Great lakes (with round engine only), or something similar (not a Boeing Stearman).

    Let me know if you know of anything!

    Joe

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    What is your budget?

    Best,

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    How about a great lakes with a 165 Warner SS on the front?

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    There's a nice looking Fleet for sale on Barnstormers for 50K. Not a bad price for that vintage.

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    Re: Any good biplanes for sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnorris
    Hey gang,
    I'm currently in the market for an antique biplane. Anybody know of any GOOD airplanes for sale? I don't want a project, basket case, ratty ramp rat, or anything that needs work. I want to buy and fly. I'd be specifically interested in a Waco, Great lakes (with round engine only), or something similar (not a Boeing Stearman).
    Let me know if you know of anything!Joe
    Joe
    Fellow at my airport may have something (G. Lakes) and is close to finishing a Bucker I believel. I'll be out sampling for a few days but if you're interested let me know off list and I'll check with him when I return mid next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperUrsus
    What is your budget?
    It depends on the airplane. I'm not setting any hard limits, but I have a "soft" target of $135,000 for the upper limit.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by behindpropellers
    How about a great lakes with a 165 Warner SS on the front?
    I would be VERY interested in a Great Lakes with a 165 Warner! Send me a PM or email directly to jnorris@eaa.org or tailwheelpilot@hughes.net with info.

    Thanks!

    Joe

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    Re: Any good biplanes for sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by arecit
    Fellow at my airport may have something (G. Lakes) and is close to finishing a Bucker I believe.
    I'd be interested in the Great Lakes if it has a round engine on it, especially if it has a 165 Warner installed. Let me know what he has when you get a chance.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Hammond
    There's a nice looking Fleet for sale on Barnstormers for 50K.
    Thanks for the lead. I'll check it out!

    Joe

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    Why a Great Lakes and not a Stearman? I have gotten to fly both, and I think the Stearman is much nicer!! Great Lakes is hard to get into (cockpit is tiny, the panel is in your face), seat is not adjustable and you sit way too low so you can't see crap when you are trying to land!

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    The Great Lakes I flew was a real sweet, well balanced airplane.
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    I wouldn't buy a Stearman unless it was dirt cheap and I couldn't pass it up. There are so many other vintage biplanes out there for less money and way cooler.... A Great Lakes with the inline Ranger or Cirrus is just plane gorgeous to me

    I mean how cool looking is this:



    There has been a Stampe for sale on Barnstormers for awhile that is over in Alabama. Guy keeps lowering the price, maybe you could get a deal Joe. Its a really fun airplane to fly too....did a ribbon cut in one once and the control harmony was to die for.

    ---Edit----

    Let me be more specific about the Stearman, I meant a PT when I said that. A Cloudboy or one of the early 3- or 4- series would be the cat's ass and I would jump on it in a heart beat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina Young
    Why a Great Lakes and not a Stearman?
    Hi Christina,

    I don't have anything against Stearmans. I've flown both Stearmans and Great Lakes (and several other antique biplanes), and they all have their strong and weak points. I'd just rather have something other than a Boeing Stearman. Now, a model 3 or 4 (square tail) Stearman is a whole different story. I'd definitely be interested in one of those!

    As with all things, each to their own. For me, Boeing Stearmans need not apply.

    Joe

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    A friend once told me that a Warner powered airplane is an Okay Lakes, not a GREAT Lakes. I've only flown in one, and it was pretty anemic, climb wise, compared to a 180 hp Lyc powered one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce
    The Great Lakes I flew was a real sweet, well balanced airplane.
    I concur Steve. I've flown a couple different Great Lakes, and they were both really sweet planes.

    Joe

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    What about N3N's ? Here is a nice project plane:
    http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=105813

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs66
    Here is a nice project plane:
    No projects. Flying airplanes only. Not really interested in an N3N anyway, but thanks for the note.

    Joe

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    my 1929 Bird is for sale.

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    my 1929 Bird is for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnorris
    Quote Originally Posted by Christina Young
    Why a Great Lakes and not a Stearman?

    As with all things, each to their own. For me, Boeing Stearmans need not apply.

    Joe
    Ah, yes, None of the High Brow OSH crowd could ever be seen in something like a dirty old lowly Stearman..... That replica WACO with the 300 Jake was for sale a while ago, great airplane for the $, don't know if it ever sold but I could check. Don't know of anything else on this side of the puddle.

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    from a parts and maintenance perspective, you cant beat a stearman. It is an honest airplane to fly and a great training platform for acro. Its slow and not as responsive as some but your mistakes will not be hidden. An excellent trainer.....

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    Ahh the Bird. Now that gents is an airplane. After Charles Lindbergh became the most famous person in the world he had basically free access to any plane he desired. What better advertisement for an aircraft manufacturer than to have Lindy flying your plane! Well, Charles chose the Bird to teach his lovely wife, Anne Morrow, to fly. That gents about says it all.
    "After you fly a Bird you will throw rocks at Waco's and TravelAires."
    So say Dick and Jeanie Hill, of antique aircraft renown, owners of a J-2 and an E-2 Cub, among others.
    I've not had the pleasure of flying a Bird but it is very near the top of my list.

    Good Luck Joe

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    Give John Conoyer (sp?) a call down at Creve Coeur. He had a couple of Waco's for sale, from memory it was like a BSO and an ATO or something like that. This is in addition to the couple of Monocoupes he had/has. It was all in T-A-P.

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    John Cournoyer, and the ATO had a 975 on it.

    There's a modern (1976) Great Lakes with a Lyc for sale at Peachstate. It's just coming out of a recover and looks spiffy.

    But a Bird or a Fleet, those are some nice airplanes.

    nkh

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    Also on Barnstormers, Travel Air 4000:



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    For those lurkers like me wondering what the "Bird" is. (Sorry for showing incompetence)

    http://www.goldenageair.org/collection/biplanerides.htm

    Check it out.

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    Thanks Dave!! I was wondering what one was.
    Keith

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    You know your getting old when you start buying planes from museums.

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    Canadian Plane Trade has a 1948 Stampe SV4B for sale, 4690 TT, ex Belgian Air Force with a Gypsy Major in it. It is listed for $69K.

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    If you want to impress folks with your airplane at airshows, the Stearman will do fine. If you'd like to go a little faster, roll a lot better, and do a loop from cruise flight without adding power, a 180 HP Great Lakes with four ailerons will do it - on little more than half the fuel cost. Stearman is loads of fun, and is about as easy to land as a Cub. Great Lakes is easier to land; a little like the Aeronca. GL's do not usually draw a crowd like the Stearman.

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    Stearman enthusiasts are like dealing with Super Cub enthusiasts..... simply nothing else compares to them. Now although I feel that way about Cubs, I don't share that view about Stearmans. There are a lot of better biplanes out there to be had....IMHO.

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    I had a friend with a Kinner Bird and a Kinner Fleet. He still has his OX5 Command Aire at the Bi Plane Museum. I understand the Fleet is a real sweet flyer although I never got the chance to fly it.
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    I would never kick any of them out of bed.

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    Have my WACO UKC-S for sale but based in Germany it might be of minor interest for you.
    Had a Great Lakes and WACO UPF-7 before and flew several Stearmans and Stampes. If you love to fly, take a Great Lakes or Stampe, if you want to attract people or do pleasure flights for money, take a UPF-7. If you want to ride a bathtub, take a Stearman. I think a Stearman compared to a Great Lakes/WACO is like a PA-18 to a C-172.

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    Sorry wrong direction. Stearman to Great Lakes/WACO is like C-172 to PA-18 (that makes sense ?!)

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    well said.

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    I have a friend with a Tiger Moth. He has had it for about 30 years but I guess its going to have to go to make room for the Staggerwing he is finishing up. I think he said 40k. It isn't a show plane but sure flys nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob turner
    Stearman is loads of fun, and is about as easy to land as a Cub. Great Lakes is easier to land; a little like the Aeronca.
    You've got to be kidding! A Stearman is MUCH easier to land that a GL! At least you can SEE where you are landing and not risk hitting the trees while doing so! Can't say that about a GL with its terrible visibility!

    If anyone is thinking about a GL over a Stearman, I suggest you try both SIDE BY SIDE. Fly the GL at Vansant (9N1), then fly the Stearman, or vice versa. Don't take my word for it. See for yourself.

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    Like I said.....

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    Yeppppppppppppppppppppppp.

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