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3200+RPM!

hikouka

Registered User
Japan / New Zealand
What to do?

At RPM settings below 2000 RPM the old mechanical RPM gauge I've got SEEMS to be reading accurately but above that the needle goes hay wire and reads over 3200 RPM in the cruise and even higher when climbing!

To get to and from the last air show I had to use the old Mark I ears and the ASI to ploder along. At the show I took out the RPM gauge with the intention of replacing it with a friends borrowed one but found that the problem is not the gauge but the cable. The little elogated box like connecting tab on the RPM cable that plugs into the RPM is almost snapped through. Frankly its a wonder that the RPM gauge shows any readings the state that little tab is in.

Have to get it fixed or replaced and in thinking about alternatives have just opened a can of worms. To whit, which of the following RPM gauge alternatives would you recommend?

1 - (maybe$200?) just buy a new RPM cable and keep it simple (if so any reccomendations on where's the best place to one)?

2 - ($529) Upgrade the RPM gauge to an electronic one like EII's Primary Replacement RPM instrument? (http://www.buy-ei.com/R-1.htm)

3 - ($1648) Realize that its worth coughing up for a comprehensive engine monitoring system like EI's old UBG-16 (http://www.buy-ei.com/UBG-16_Bar_Graph_Engine_Analzyer.htm)

4 - ($4,995) Go the whole hog for the latest high tech engine monitoring system like EI's new MVP-50? (http://www.buy-ei.com/EI_MVP-50_Glass_Panel_Engine_Monitor_Display.htm)

5 - ($2,300 ) Go the experimental route and get something like Dyon Avionic's Engine Monitoring system EMS D-10 (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D10_intro.html)

The mechanic seems to be fine with adding un-STCed instruments (that can be quickly removed before annuals) as long as the old broken RPM gauge remains to please the paper pushers none of whom have the first idea about aircraft let alone taildraggers.

Anyway need to fix and its a pain in the *rse to do here in Japan. What kind of drives me nuts is how there's a world of new electronic gear developend and installed in hundreds of (experimental) aircraft, yet we still have to relie on decades old mechanical gauges certified in the days of the dinosaurs. Its ok for us pilots to bring in GPS's for navigation but its not ok for us to bring in computers for engine montioring always strikes me as foolish. We all know how pathetic Cub fuel gauges are and I wonder if getting a complete monitoring system with a fuel option isn't maybe a safer bet.

As far as I can see it engine monitoring systems may:
prevent disaster by warning of a little problem before it becomes a big one;
add maintance by helping pinpoint problems;
provide the most accurate fuel management system,
allow for the most economical leaning techniques.

Am loving the Cub and am planning on keeping her for as long as I can so the image of slowly making her the ultimate I can is as appealing as it is expensive. On the other hand the idea of keeping her simple is mighty appealing as well and a whole lot cheaper. Hmmmmm.
 
Get the cable and send flynlow the $4795 I just saved you by not going "whole hog".

A question: What would happen if you had a mishap and the FAA/insurance company inspected the remains of the Cub with $100,000.00 insurance coverage before the non-STCed part could be replaced?? I suspect the answer.. if it was non related to the mishap, would that have a bearing??
 
Pull the cable out at the tach end and replace with new one from your favorite vendor. You don't have to remove the housing unless it is damaged. Should be less than $20.00
 
My Tach cable did the same thing two years ago. It snaped by the engine end. But for some reason still had enough friction to make some sort of reading. I pulled out both brokens pieces and went over to a friends house where a wrecked C-140 (C-85) was being parted out. He pulled the tach cable out and we wiped it down with grease and shoved it into my PA-11 (C-90).
Cost me 10 bucks and it works great.
 
Went down that road just last month. See above post for the solution. As inexpensive as new tachs are, I'll never piss away $$$$$ trying to overhaul an old one again.
 
hikouka said:
2 - ($529) Upgrade the RPM gauge to an electronic one like EII's Primary Replacement RPM instrument? (http://www.buy-ei.com/R-1.htm)

3 - ($1648) Realize that its worth coughing up for a comprehensive engine monitoring system like EI's old UBG-16 (http://www.buy-ei.com/UBG-16_Bar_Graph_Engine_Analzyer.htm)

4 - ($4,995) Go the whole hog for the latest high tech engine monitoring system like EI's new MVP-50? (http://www.buy-ei.com/EI_MVP-50_Glass_Panel_Engine_Monitor_Display.htm)

EI_UBG-16.jpg


I think those all sound like very intelligent ideas. I think maybe I like the UBG-16 Ultimate Bar Graph Engine Analyzer 4 Cylinder Package with Data Recorder, Electronic International
(4) P110 EGT Probes, (4) P100 CHT Probes, (8) 6 foot leads, (1) MUX-8A Data Recorder $1266.00 from
www.chiefaircraft.com RPM indication can then be added for $175.00.

Mathew Sharp
Electronics International Inc
www.buy-ei.com
support@buy-ei.com
541-318-6060 ext.190
 
Another option may be the Horizon digital tach. It's larger than the EI tachs, and can be approved for primary. Not inexpensive, but a really good unit, and frankly, all mechanical tachs are pretty crappy instruments in my experience.

I once bought a rebuilt tach. It was 75 rpm off out of the box. I sent it back and ordered a brand new mechanical tach, and it was 100 rpm off. That was "within tolerance" and they said to simply placard it. I did, with postage back to the distributor. Bought the Horizon and haven't looked back.

I'd never again install another mechanical tach.

MTV
 
After looking inside the new tachs that is how I am going. Simple, reliable, less wiring and way cheaper.
 
Gidday Gidday all,

A big thanks to those who replied with RPM advice. After spinning through the options I've decided to buy a new tach cable $32.95 ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/ ) and also a Tru Tach II Optical Digital Tachometer ($165.50) as a back up / primary reference unit ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/trutach.php ). Would have got them from Wag Aero as T.J. suggested but they din't have the Tru Tach II so I'll use Aircraft Spruce & Specialty.

Reading through posts about mechanical RPM gauges saying things like its not uncommon for them to be 100RPM off or even 200-300RPM off in extreme cases I've lost all trust in my mechanical Tac. After all if its the primary instrument I use in flying and I can't even trust it . . . The fact that the Tru Tach is just a place and point device means that even I can't screw up the installation and being able to use it other planes I fly is a nice bonus. I'm kinda looking forward to checking my friends RPM gauges with it.

The EI instruments though were so tempting that I broke down and gave the company a call and was most pleased with their helpful, thoughtful and pleasent advice but will go with the cheap cable/optical tac option this time round.

Guess flynlow due for a big cheque, maybe :wink:

Oh yeah flynlow the insurance companies and the JCAB (Japanese Civil Aviation Bureau) are so far out of touch with reality here I reckon no one would notice if I made the Cub a biplane :p
 
The digital optical tach is a great Idea, I didn't think of that but for my contribution I will settle for a cup of coffee. So hold the check, use the money you saved for Bushwheels!!

I had my cub rpm checked recently with a optical digital tach for a prop pitch static check and my mechanical was reading 100 rpm low.

When I picked up the cub after purchase the weather was below zero F and the tach jumped all over the scale. Probably ice or maybe just binding up from frozen lube in the cable housing.

steve
 
Phew managed to wiggle out of having to send flynlow a big cheque. Coffees on me mate :morning:

Strange though isn't it how crucial RPM gauges are and how inaccurate they appear to be? Before mine crapped out I had no idea how flakey they can be. You learn all about ASI errors, pressure and temp effects on altimeters etc but hadn't heard a word before in flight school about how untrustworty mechanical RPM gauges are.

As for the Bushwheels, well as tempting as they sound Torch has already filed my heart with images of floats. Would rather fight the fish than the bears you see. Speaking of which did you see those Clamar amphibs for sale ( http://sparky.supercub.org/photoclass/showproduct.php?product=257 ). Almost breaks ones heart that certified Cubs can't use all those fun toys :cry:
 
Well just thought I'd post an update on the Tach situation in the hopes that maybe some other dude with Tach troubles can find something useful below.

I bought a new Tach cable from Spruce and replaced the old one with the rooted end. No change. The old tach still went crazy above 2300 RPM.

Took out the new cable and checked it thinking maybe the Tach was eating Tach cable ends. Nope. The new cable seemed to be fine.

Put it back in and then changed the old Tach with an even older one the mechanic lent me. The needle on that Tach gauge jumped around so much I thought it was a kangaroo in a previous life. It also consisently reads 150 RPM high.

So now I have two silly Tachs. One that works fine up to 2300 RPM and the other that jumps around and runs fast. Sigh.

BUT, :wink: , I've found the solution to all our Tach woes - the Tru Tach II Optical Digital Tachometer. Bought at the same time as the tach cable it works a treat and I love using it. Seeing how unrealible the mechanical ones are its a pleasure to have the accurately reading optical Tach.

Tru Tach II Optical Digital Tachometer ($165.50) ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/trutach.php ) - reccomended.
 
I upgraded to a electronic tach a couple of years back. I really like it and am glad I spent the extra money to do it. They have features like back light, in flight alarms if you have a mag fail, they are much more stable then a cable tach, plus they are righ on all the time.

The only down side if your battery dies on you you don't have a rpm gauge.

Cub_Driver
 
After 2 tach changes, I went with a Horizon Digital tach. No more problems and a lot more information. Bill
 
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