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    70 degree crosswind, 12 gusting to 22 knots...

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    ** Report created 4/20/2004 Record 3 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 9862D Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/19/2004 Time: 2040

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Destroyed

    LOCATION
    City: BERKLEY State: MA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES 200 YARDS FROM RUNWAY 27, MYRICKS
    AIRPORT, ONE PERSON ON BOARD SUSTAINED SERIOUS INJURIES, ACFT WAS
    DESTROYED, BERKLEY, MA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: TAN METAR 191952Z 20012G22KT CLR 9SM 23/11 A2986



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: BOSTON, MA (NE01) Entry date: 04/20/2004

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    ** Report created 4/20/2004 Record 7 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 9862D Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/19/2004 Time: 2040

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Destroyed

    LOCATION
    City: BERKLEY State: MA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES 200 YARDS FROM RUNWAY 27, MYRICKS
    AIRPORT, ONE PERSON ON BOARD SUSTAINED SERIOUS INJURIES, ACFT WAS
    DESTROYED, BERKLEY, MA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: TAN METAR 191952Z 20012G22KT CLR 9SM 23/11 A2986



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: BOSTON, MA (NE01) Entry date: 04/20/2004

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    ** Report created 4/23/2004 Record 5 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 82943 Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/22/2004 Time: 1245

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Destroyed

    LOCATION
    City: CRYSTAL State: MN Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT, A SUPER CUB, DEPARTED RWY24L AT CRYSTAL AIRPORT MN., LOST POWER ON
    TAKEOFF AND CRASHED IN THE WOODS ACROSS HWY 81. THE ACFT IS DESTROYED AND
    NO REPORTED INJURIES. CRYSTAL, MN

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: VFR 1253Z 01006KT 10SM FEW250 3/M02 A3013



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: CRYSTAL, MN MIC Dep Date: 04/22/2004 Dep. Time: 1245
    Destination: CRYSTAL, MN MIC Flt Plan: VFR Wx Briefing:
    Last Radio Cont: MIC LOCAL CONTROL
    Last Clearance: CLRD FOR TAKEOFF

    FAA FSDO: MINNEAPOLIS, MN (GL15) Entry date: 04/23/2004

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    ** Report created 4/27/2004 Record 4 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 5890D Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/27/2004 Time: 0355

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: ANCHORAGE State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT LOCATED UPSIDE DOWN AT WILLOW AIRPORT UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES,
    ANCHORAGE, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: UNK



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: BIRCHWOOD, AK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: WILLOW, ANCHORAGE, A Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 04/27/2004

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    ** Report created 4/30/2004 Record 1 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 271T Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/28/2004 Time: 2230

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: CEDARTOWN State: GA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT MADE A HARD LANDING, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, CEDARTOWN, GA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: UNK



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: COLLEGE PARK, GA (SO11) Entry date: 04/30/2004

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    Two Reports...

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 5483H Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/01/2004 Time: 1845

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Destroyed

    LOCATION
    City: LAUREL State: MT Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT MADE A LOW PASS AND CRASHED LANDED INSIDED A POOL OF WATER ALONG THE
    YELLOWSTONE RIVER, ACFT WAS DESTROYED 12 MILES SW OF BILLINGS, LAUREL, MT

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: BIL 1900Z 34007 10SM SCT090 16/M06 A3026



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: BILLINGS, MT Dep Date: 05/01/2004 Dep. Time: 1757
    Destination: LOCAL AREA Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
    Last Radio Cont: 5 SW OF BIL
    Last Clearance: CLRD FOR TAKEOFF

    FAA FSDO: HELENA, MT (NM05) Entry date: 05/03/2004

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    ** Report created 5/3/2004 Record 18 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 82727 Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/01/2004 Time: 1438

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: None

    LOCATION
    City: HAILEY State: ID Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT EXPERIENCED ENGINE FAILURE AND MADE AN EMERGENCY LANDING IN A GRASS
    FIELD AT A HIGH SCHOOL, 3 MILES NORTH OF AIRFIELD, HAILEY, ID

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: SPECI 1143 WIND 340/05 VIS30 SKC 08/M04 3031



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: HAILEY, ID Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: 5 NORTH OF AIRFIELD
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: BOISE, ID (NM11) Entry date: 05/03/2004

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    NTSB Identification: SEA04LA077
    14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
    Accident occurred Saturday, May 01, 2004 in Laurel, MT
    Aircraft: Piper PA-18-105, registration: N5483H
    Injuries: 2 Uninjured.

    This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

    On May 1, 2004, approximately 1300 mountain daylight time a Piper PA-18-105, N5483H, registered to Professional Pilots Inc., and being operated/flown by a private pilot sustained substantial damage during a loss of control/in-flight collision with terrain while maneuvering approximately two nautical miles east of Laurel, Montana. Neither the pilot nor the passenger was injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan had been filed. The local flight, which was personal, was operated under 14 CFR 91, and originated from Billings, Montana, approximately noon.

    The pilot reported to an FAA inspector that he was flying low over the Yellowstone River when he spotted animal tracks on a sand bar. The pilot then maneuvered back to look at the tracks and reported that he got "low (50 feet) and slow" and the aircraft stalled/mushed into a shallow pool near the river's edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrb
    thanks cuby, additionally if anyone is able to create a better narrative or story for the trailer crash i'd be interested otherwise the accident report that I figure is related is located at http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X33542&key=1
    I heard from one of the guys hired men that the pilot was landing in a pasture close to where his cowboys were getting ready to brand and lit too long in the slick grass to stop before hitting the horse trailer. They were still using the trailer a while back and someone had christened it the "Aircraft Carrier". I understand the pilot is now flying a Jet Ranger. That alleviates the short strip/slick grass problems completely I guess.

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    ** Report created 5/6/2004 Record 4 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 723C Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/06/2004 Time: 0034

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: PORT ALSWORTH State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON LANDING, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, PORT ALSWORTH, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: UNK



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 05/06/2004

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    Two of 'em...

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    ** Report created 5/11/2004 Record 11 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 2368M Make/Model: PA12 Description: PA-12 Super Cruiser
    Date: 05/09/2004 Time: 2100

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: HARTFORD State: WI Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON TAKEOFF FROM RUNWAY 18, LOST POWER AND LANDED IN A HAY FIELD,
    HARTFORD, WI

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR KETB 092056Z AUTO 14005KT 7SM CLR 20/17 A2986



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: HARTFORD, WI Dep Date: 05/09/2004 Dep. Time: 2055
    Destination: HARTFORD, WI Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: MILWAUKEE, WI (GL13) Entry date: 05/10/2004


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    ** Report created 5/11/2004 Record 36 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 2521S Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/06/2004 Time: 1900

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: POLLY CREEK State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON LANDING, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, 5 MILES NORTH OF
    POLLY CREEK, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: ANCHORAGE, AK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: POLLY CREEK, AK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 05/10/2004

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    Not a Cub, but this would ruin your whole day!...

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    ** Report created 5/11/2004 Record 13 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 44911 Make/Model: DC4 Description: DC-4 (C-54, EC-54, HC-54, TC-54, VC-54,
    Date: 05/08/2004 Time: 0530

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: GAINS CREEK State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    BROOKS FUEL INC, PART 125, DOUGLAS DC4, N44911 ACFT, DURING START UP, THE
    NUMBER ONE ENGINE HAD AN EXPLOSION, THE LEFT WING AND ENGINE SEPARATED FROM
    ACFT
    , GAINES CREEK, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Business Phase: Take-off Operation: Air Carrier

    Departed: GAINS CREEK, AK Dep Date: 05/08/2004 Dep. Time: 0530
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 05/10/2004

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    No kiddin'..........they had to be very relieved it happened on the ground....
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"

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    Boy, now that would get your attention, drivin a flying gas tank and having a slight explosion any place. I'll bet there was more than one explosion, if ya know what I mean..

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    Quote Originally Posted by When Pigs Fly
    70 degree crosswind, 12 gusting to 22 knots...

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    ** Report created 4/20/2004 Record 3 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 9862D Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 04/19/2004 Time: 2040

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Destroyed

    LOCATION
    City: BERKLEY State: MA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES 200 YARDS FROM RUNWAY 27, MYRICKS
    AIRPORT, ONE PERSON ON BOARD SUSTAINED SERIOUS INJURIES, ACFT WAS
    DESTROYED, BERKLEY, MA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: TAN METAR 191952Z 20012G22KT CLR 9SM 23/11 A2986



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: BOSTON, MA (NE01) Entry date: 04/20/2004

    that was a wicked windy day (for down here) plus he had a banner commin back form the boston marithon i think.

    we were out doin some trainig in the skyhawk and it was bumpy and windy. I think that it was gusting to more than that too.

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    Those darn huskys will get you...

    http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...rticleid=27675

    Hero rescues pilot of flipped seaplane
    By Franci Richardson
    Thursday, May 13, 2004

    HALIFAX - When Alan Williamson heard the buzz of the 2002 Aviat Husky over his home yesterday, he looked out his window at Monponsett Lake and marveled how it was the perfect day for landing a float plane.

    But between the ``mirror''-like lake and a hazy sun, the Hingham man piloting the plane told police he could not gauge the distance between the water and his two-seater plane, and flipped about 10:15 a.m.

    ``I ran out of the house and jumped off the deck, swam to my boat and sped out to the plane,'' said Williamson, 36, adding the lake is a common aircraft landing spot. ``Thank God he was out of the plane and treading water.''

    Marcos Sastre, 58, suffered cuts on his face, but had the strength to board Williamson's 1996 Mastercraft ski boat and was whisked to meet police and fire officials.

    Sastre said he had left Marshfield Airport and had planned to land on the lake when trouble started, said Halifax police Sgt. Ted Broderick.

    ``Obviously he was lucky,'' Broderick said. ``He crashed an aircraft. To walk away from this is a good thing.''

    Officials estimated about 30 gallons of fuel leaked into Brockton's secondary water source. They didn't anticipate problems cleaning the lake.

    The Federal Aviation Administration was on scene.

    A woman who answered Sastre's phone would only say he is ``fine.''

    Before Sastre got into the ambulance, he said to Williamson, ``Thank you for saving my life.''

    Williamson disagreed he deserved that kind of credit, but later said, ``If I were on a lake, I'd hope somebody would come and grab me.''
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve
    Those darn huskys will get you...

    http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...rticleid=27675

    Hero rescues pilot of flipped seaplane
    By Franci Richardson
    Thursday, May 13, 2004

    HALIFAX - When Alan Williamson heard the buzz of the 2002 Aviat Husky over his home yesterday, he looked out his window at Monponsett Lake and marveled how it was the perfect day for landing a float plane.

    But between the ``mirror''-like lake and a hazy sun, the Hingham man piloting the plane told police he could not gauge the distance between the water and his two-seater plane, and flipped about 10:15 a.m.

    ``I ran out of the house and jumped off the deck, swam to my boat and sped out to the plane,'' said Williamson, 36, adding the lake is a common aircraft landing spot. ``Thank God he was out of the plane and treading water.''

    Marcos Sastre, 58, suffered cuts on his face, but had the strength to board Williamson's 1996 Mastercraft ski boat and was whisked to meet police and fire officials.

    Sastre said he had left Marshfield Airport and had planned to land on the lake when trouble started, said Halifax police Sgt. Ted Broderick.

    ``Obviously he was lucky,'' Broderick said. ``He crashed an aircraft. To walk away from this is a good thing.''

    Officials estimated about 30 gallons of fuel leaked into Brockton's secondary water source. They didn't anticipate problems cleaning the lake.

    The Federal Aviation Administration was on scene.

    A woman who answered Sastre's phone would only say he is ``fine.''

    Before Sastre got into the ambulance, he said to Williamson, ``Thank you for saving my life.''

    Williamson disagreed he deserved that kind of credit, but later said, ``If I were on a lake, I'd hope somebody would come and grab me.''
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    ** Report created 5/13/2004 Record 2 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 17MR Make/Model: A1B Description: AVIAT
    Date: 05/12/2004 Time: 1430

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Minor

    LOCATION
    City: HALIFAX State: MA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES INTO MONPONSETT POND, HALIFAX, MA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: KPYM METAR 121352Z 04006KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A3017



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: BOSTON, MA (NE01) Entry date: 05/13/2004

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    Seems like I just said that...
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve
    Seems like I just said that...
    Some kinda echo thing...

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    The Husky was on amphibs, from the pictures on tv it looked like the gear was retracted. I saw the story on a couple of different local news programs and the coverage wasn't that bad-basically plane crashed, pilots ok, fuel was cleaned up without a problem, etc. They seemed more interested in making a hero out of the boat driver who picked the pilot up then fearmongering over a small plane crash.

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    Sounds like he did not judge the height above the water - i.e. glassy water...
    "Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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    ** Report created 5/17/2004 Record 13 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 4305Z Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/08/2004 Time: 1800

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: COPPER CENTER State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON LANDING, CRASHED. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, SPOKAN PLACER,
    COPPER CENTER, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR GKN 141753Z 1807KT 10SM FEW200 11/M01 A2997



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 05/17/2004

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    ** Report created 5/19/2004 Record 4 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 62712 Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/18/2004 Time: 0023

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: CHANDLER State: AZ Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT LANDED, NOSED OVER AND INVERTED, CHANDLER, AZ

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Training Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: SCOTTSDALE, AZ (WP07) Entry date: 05/19/2004


    Not a Cub, but still in the family...

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    ** Report created 5/19/2004 Record 6 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 7760K Make/Model: PA20 Description: PA-20 Pacer
    Date: 05/19/2004 Time: 0030

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: NORTH SIOUX CITY State: SD Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT, DURING TOUCH AND GOES, LOST POWER, LANDED IN THE GRASS AND TIPPED
    UP ONTO ITS NOSE, PROP STUCK IN THE MUD, NORTH SIOUX CITY, SD

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR KSOX 182352Z 10008KT CLR 10SM 21/09 A3007



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: NORTH SIOUX CITY, SD Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: NORTH SIOUX CITH, SD Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: RAPID CITY, SD (GL27) Entry date: 05/19/2004

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    Unfortunately, this one is a fatal... My condolences to their family...


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    ** Report created 5/24/2004 Record 17 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 4319Z Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 05/21/2004 Time: 2321

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: COLD BAY State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON LANDING AND BECAME INVERTED, TWO PERSONS WERE ON BOARD, ONE
    WAS FATALLY INJURED AND THE SECOND SUSTAINED UNSPECIFIED INJURIES, BLINN
    LAKE, COLD BAY, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: COLD BAY, AK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: BIG FISH LAKE, AK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: 7 MILES N COLD BAY
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 05/24/2004

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    COLD BAY ALASKA
    Passenger dead, pilot injured in Piper crash
    A passenger is dead and the pilot of a Piper PA-18 was medevacked to Seattle for treatment Saturday evening after a floatplane crash near Cold Bay.
    Pilot Rex Maurer, 57, of Issaquah, Wash., was extricated alive from the wreckage after Coast Guard Search and Rescue responded to an activated emergency locator beacon with a C-130 and a helicopter, Alaska State Troopers said.
    Passenger Gary Hudson, 60, of Portland, Ore., was dead at the scene, troopers said.
    The cause of the crash was not immediately known.

    As reported in the Anchorage Daily News 5-24-04

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    Bad weekend for accidents, 38 reported, 7 of them involved fatalities...

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    ** Report created 6/1/2004 Record 19 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 623KD Make/Model: AVIA Description: AVIAT HUSKY A-1
    Date: 05/29/2004 Time:

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: LULING State: TX Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON TAKEOFF, TWO PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, OTHER
    CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, 10 MILES EAST OF LULING, TX

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: SAN ANTONIO, TX (SW17) Entry date: 06/01/2004

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    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 6/2/2004 Record 4 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 5150H Make/Model: PA14 Description: PA-14 Family Cruiser
    Date: 06/01/2004 Time: 2057

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Minor

    LOCATION
    City: ANCHORAGE State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT MADE A FORCED LANDING DUE TO ENGINE PROBLEMS ON A LAKE 5 EAST OF
    VILLAGE, MCKINLEY PARK VILLAGE, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: VFR



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: LAKE HOOD SEAPLANE B Dep Date: 06/01/2004 Dep. Time: 1913
    Destination: FAIRBANKS, AK Flt Plan: VFR Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: 2140 ON THE LAKE
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 06/02/2004

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    Two of 'em...

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    ** Report created 6/8/2004 Record 27 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 82172 Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 06/05/2004 Time: 0117

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: COLUMBUS State: MT Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED INTO A HANGER UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, COLUMBUS, MT

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: Y
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: Y
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: HELENA, MT (NM05) Entry date: 06/07/2004


    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 6/8/2004 Record 4 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 4154A Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 06/05/2004 Time: 0145

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Minor

    LOCATION
    City: PAYSON State: AZ Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON LANDING ON RUNWAY 24, NOSED OVER, 1845 PST, PAYSON, AZ

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: PAYSON, AZ Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: SCOTTSDALE, AZ (WP07) Entry date: 06/08/2004

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    Be careful out there

    http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X00758&key=1

    Yes, I know it's a Husky.
    Errol was a good man. Looks like he was showing off and lost it.
    Left a wife and three kids. Passenger was a fireman from Lake Jackson, TX. He had owned the Husky for about two years. Loved to fly down to the beach and go fishing.

    Roddy

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    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 6/14/2004 Record 23 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 5990Z Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 06/12/2004 Time: 2045

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: MURFREESBORO State: TN Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON LANDING RUNWAY 18, FLIPPED OVER, MURFREESBORO, TN

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: MQY 1950Z 24012KT 10SM BKN040 33/14 A2994



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: NASHVILLE, TN Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: NASHVILLE, TN (SO03) Entry date: 06/14/2004

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    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 6/17/2004 Record 1 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 18ZF Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 06/16/2004 Time: 1800

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: MCGRATH State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON LANDING AND FLIPPED OVER, 25 MILES W OF MCGRATH, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: MCGRATH, AK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: FAIRBANKS, AK (AL01) Entry date: 06/17/2004

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    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 6/22/2004 Record 3 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 27135 Make/Model: J3 Description: J-3 Cub (L-4, NE)
    Date: 06/21/2004 Time: 1952

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: GLENOMA State: WA Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES ON A HILLSIDE AND WAS SUSPENDED IN
    THE TREES, ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED, NEAR GLENOMA, WA

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR KTDO 211949Z 00000KT 35SM SKC 26/13 A2998



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: SEATTLE, WA (NM01) Entry date: 06/22/2004

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    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 7/1/2004 Record 1 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 25869 Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 06/30/2004 Time: 1520

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Minor

    LOCATION
    City: WALLINGFORD State: CT Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED AFTER DEPARTURE UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES APPROXIMATELY 1
    MILE FROM A PRIVATE STRIP, WALLINGFORD, CT

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: HVN METAR 1553Z 20009KT 10SM CIR 22/14 A3015



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: WALLINGFORD, CT Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: UNK
    Last Clearance: UNK

    FAA FSDO: WINDSOR LOCKS, CT (NE03) Entry date: 07/01/2004

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    Three reports...

    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 7/6/2004 Record 29 **
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 7072B Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 07/05/2004 Time: 2045

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Minor

    LOCATION
    City: LAKE TOWNSHIP State: MI Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON LANDING, WENT SIDEWAYS AND FLIPPED OVER ON SAPPHIRE LAKE, LAKE
    TOWNSHIP, MI

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR KCAD 052034Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN028 21/13 A3004



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: SAPPHIRE LAKE Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: SAPPHIRE LAKE Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
    Last Radio Cont: NONE
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: GRAND RAPIDS, MI (GL09) Entry date: 07/06/2004

    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 7/6/2004 Record 35 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 8918Y Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 07/05/2004 Time: 1830

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: BIRCHWOOD State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT CRASHED ON LANDING. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. NO INJURIES AND
    SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE IS REPORTED. BIRCHWOOD, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: METAR PABV 1836Z AUTO 3005KT 10SM BKN022 OVC02814/10 A2985 RMK A01



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: LAKE HOOD STRIP AZ41 Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: Y
    Last Radio Cont: UNKN
    Last Clearance: UNKN

    FAA FSDO: ANCHORAGE, AK (AL03) Entry date: 07/06/2004

    ************************************************** ******************************
    ** Report created 7/6/2004 Record 39 **
    ************************************************** ******************************

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 9859P Make/Model: PA18 Description: PA-18 Super Cub (L-18C, L-21, U-7)
    Date: 07/05/2004 Time: 1548

    Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: None

    LOCATION
    City: CAROLINA BEACH State: NC Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    ACFT ON BANNER TOWING, EXPERIENCED LOSS OF OIL PRESSURE AND EXECUTED A
    FORCED LANDING ON THE BEACH. NO INJURIES AND NO DAMAGE IS REPORTED.
    CAROLINA BEACH, NC

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: OAK ISLAND, NC SUT Dep Date: Dep. Time:
    Destination: OAK ISLAND, NC SUT Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N
    Last Radio Cont:
    Last Clearance:

    FAA FSDO: WINSTON-SALEM, NC (SO05) Entry date: 07/06/2004

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    price

    No wonder cubs are so expensive,they are wrecking them lots quicker than they can be rebuilt.

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    No damage reported on that last one. So why is it in the Accident reports anyway?

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    Good question........does it have to be reported because he was operating under a waiver?
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"

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    Quote Originally Posted by S2D
    No damage reported on that last one. So why is it in the Accident reports anyway?
    "Event Type: Incident"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlipFlop
    Quote Originally Posted by S2D
    No damage reported on that last one. So why is it in the Accident reports anyway?
    "Event Type: Incident"
    OK-- now you'll have to clear my fuzzy brain on why its an incident. Is it just cause it happened in front of lots of people or just cause someone turned it in to the FAA. I thought even an incident had to have some minor type accident damage. Or are all forced landings supposed to be incidents?

    In the first one the guy flips the aircraft over and its an incident???

    (and what is "flip flop" for?) You looking to buy a spam can??

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    Quote Originally Posted by S2D
    Quote Originally Posted by FlipFlop
    Quote Originally Posted by S2D
    No damage reported on that last one. So why is it in the Accident reports anyway?
    "Event Type: Incident"
    OK-- now you'll have to clear my fuzzy brain on why its an incident. Is it just cause it happened in front of lots of people or just cause someone turned it in to the FAA. I thought even an incident had to have some minor type accident damage. Or are all forced landings supposed to be incidents?

    In the first one the guy flips the aircraft over and its an incident???

    (and what is "flip flop" for?) You looking to buy a spam can??
    Dang Brian, you're always making me work!...

    The answer to your question is kinda here...

    Title 49--Transportation
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CHAPTER VIII--NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD

    PART 830--NOTIFICATION AND REPORTING OF AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS OR INCIDENTS AND OVERDUE AIRCRAFT, AND PRESERVATION OF AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE, MAIL, CARGO, AND RECORDS
    [Code of Federal Regulations]
    [Title 49, Volume 6]
    [Revised as of October 1, 2003]
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
    [CITE: 49CFR830.2]

    [Page 203-204]

    TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

    SAFETY BOARD

    Subpart A--General

    Sec. 830.2 Definitions.

    As used in this part the following words or phrases are defined as
    follows:
    Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation
    of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the
    aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have
    disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or
    in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.
    Civil aircraft means any aircraft other than a public aircraft.
    Fatal injury means any injury which results in death within 30 days
    of the accident.
    Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with
    the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety
    of operations.
    Operator means any person who causes or authorizes the operation of
    an aircraft, such as the owner, lessee, or bailee of an aircraft.
    Public aircraft means an aircraft used only for the United States
    Government, or an aircraft owned and operated (except for commercial
    purposes) or exclusively leased for at least 90 continuous days by a
    government other

    [[Page 204]]

    than the United States Government, including a State, the District of
    Columbia, a territory or possession of the United States, or a political
    subdivision of that government. ``Public aircraft'' does not include a
    government-owned aircraft transporting property for commercial purposes
    and does not include a government-owned aircraft transporting passengers
    other than: transporting (for other than commercial purposes)
    crewmembers or other persons aboard the aircraft whose presence is
    required to perform, or is associated with the performance of, a
    governmental function such as firefighting, search and rescue, law
    enforcement, aeronautical research, or biological or geological resource
    management; or transporting (for other than commercial purposes) persons
    aboard the aircraft if the aircraft is operated by the Armed Forces or
    an intelligence agency of the United States. Notwithstanding any
    limitation relating to use of the aircraft for commercial purposes, an
    aircraft shall be considered to be a public aircraft without regard to
    whether it is operated by a unit of government on behalf of another unit
    of government pursuant to a cost reimbursement agreement, if the unit of
    government on whose behalf the operation is conducted certifies to the
    Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration that the operation
    was necessary to respond to a significant and imminent threat to life or
    property (including natural resources) and that no service by a private
    operator was reasonably available to meet the threat.
    Serious injury means any injury which: (1) Requires hospitalization
    for more than 48 hours, commencing within 7 days from the date of the
    injury was received; (2) results in a fracture of any bone (except
    simple fractures of fingers, toes, or nose); (3) causes severe
    hemorrhages, nerve, muscle, or tendon damage; (4) involves any internal
    organ; or (5) involves second- or third-degree burns, or any burns
    affecting more than 5 percent of the body surface.
    Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects
    the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the
    aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement
    of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine
    if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented
    skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to
    rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires,
    flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered
    ``substantial damage'' for the purpose of this part.

    [53 FR 36982, Sept. 23, 1988, as amended at 60 FR 40112, Aug. 7, 1995]



    So, there's actually three categories, accident, incident and occurrence...

    For example:

    I'd use your Mooney, but who knows if they're in business today or not so that you could buy parts...

    A certain old time ag pilot from Yankton is in the pattern in his Bonanza...

    He diverts his attention from operating the aircraft to pick up the tin can and string to contact the tower (there still a little behind the times in SD), he continues the approach, forgeting to lower the landing gear and drops the tin can just in time to hear the prop tips hitting the asphalt (it was the asphalt, not his, sorry, couldn't resist), he goes around, lowers the gear and makes a normal landing, that's an occurrence...

    The next time he flys, he repeats the scenario except he forgets the gear... No serious injury, no substantial damage, but we're talking Beech parts here, so it costs $23,976.02 in repairs... Money doesn't matter (try telling that to my wife!), so it's an incident...

    OK, the guy's an old time ag pilot, so we know he's got lots of money, kinda like you, so he forked out the $23,996.02, the extra $20. was for flowers for his wife, and repairs the BananaWagon... This time he repeats the scenario AGAIN (where's the FAA when you need them?) and hears that familiar grinding noise under his butt... Unfortunately for him, the Parathion has got to him over the years and all the Pawnee crashes where he crammed his foot against the structure to steady himself causes him to attempt the same thing in the Bonanza... The V-tail slows considerably faster than the broken Pawnees did and he breaks his leg, it has now become an accident!... In the same scenario, even without the serious injury, if he grinds away the keel, or bends the firewall, both considered structural, it's an accident...

    Clear as mud?...

    I sold Cuby, so now I can buy FlipFlops for the baby so it doesn't have to go barefoot...

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    I've been told incidents do not have to be reported. Yes/No??

    I'll tell you my Parathion story some day Cuby......
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