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wldwzl01
05-12-2020, 04:07 PM
So it's been a while since anyone has posted Husky information. How many folks do we have here on SuperCub.org that are Husky drivers?

SJ
05-12-2020, 04:08 PM
So it's been a while since anyone has posted Husky information. How many folks do we have here on SuperCub.org that are Husky drivers?

There are quite a few! See if they chime in...

sj

JWE
05-12-2020, 04:21 PM
My son and I own one together. I visit this site and the Husky site several times a day...

flagold
05-12-2020, 06:35 PM
Husky?

cubdriver2
05-12-2020, 07:37 PM
You might need a thread that hides your identity
;-)

Glenn

bvirginia
05-12-2020, 08:01 PM
I fly a Husky and am a regular visitor of supercub.org.

Mnjoe
05-12-2020, 09:20 PM
use To own a PA-12 several years ago then t-crafts all on floats now a Husky it is really Apple and Oranges comparison between a Super Cub and A Husky each will do something the other won’t

lancef53
05-12-2020, 09:22 PM
I have a 1993 A1. 48760

kase
05-12-2020, 09:31 PM
I fly this one with 3"ext gear and MT prop once in awhile.

48761

wldwzl01
05-12-2020, 09:51 PM
I have a 1993 A1. 48760

Where did you get the Dog decal? Looks like it doesnít say Aviat. I just canít advertise for Aviat on my Christen!


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john schwamm
05-12-2020, 10:52 PM
Have Husky and Supercub.

pokey
05-12-2020, 11:22 PM
Another member of the dog pound here flying a 2001 A1-B. Though on many days I still bleed cub yellow.
Pokey.

wldwzl01
05-12-2020, 11:46 PM
48767
Here is my Christen Husky on the Upper Coleen River near the middle of the Brooks Range. Older A-1, 18th one built. Fairly light, well modified (but not nearly as much as John Schwamm's) I also own half of the first experimental Cub built by Jim Richmond. I love the speed of the Husky for those long trips about AK.

redfin
05-13-2020, 04:23 AM
Long legs, Husky is very comfortable ��

lancef53
05-13-2020, 05:56 AM
The dog on the tail is actually paint, my painter came up with it when he painted it.

https://on-siteaviation.com/


Edit--sorry, that was a response to wldwzl01 question

G44
05-13-2020, 09:03 AM
I dont “drive” a Husky or any airplane for that matter but I do own and fly a Husky. Had a nice Super Cub and Arctic Tern previously.

Kurt

dkozak12
05-13-2020, 12:48 PM
Sold my super cub and bought a husky. Better fit for me but cubs are great too.

Bill.Brine
05-13-2020, 03:49 PM
48775

I fly a Husky.
Not as nice as a Cub for about three seconds a flight.



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cubdriver2
05-13-2020, 07:27 PM
48775

I fly a Husky.
Not as nice as a Cub for about three seconds a flight.



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Soooo........what have you been flying lately?

Glenn

algonquin
05-13-2020, 08:27 PM
LOL, I’ve owned a Husky for three years and was going to fly it this summer for the first time since I rebuild it from a gravel bar flip over, but waiting until the controls are relaxed some. I had a 2’ DIA. Photo of my Dog made for $25.00 not over $100.00 from Husky.

algonquin
05-13-2020, 08:49 PM
4877948779

algonquin
05-13-2020, 08:50 PM
This is the sticker to go on.

algonquin
05-13-2020, 08:51 PM
48780

redfin
05-14-2020, 04:47 AM
The cost of parts and after market STC’s are significantly higher than those available for cubs - I guess ‘economies of scale’.
I am yet to meet a Husky owner that isn’t a happy dog owner ...
I am yet to meet a Cub owner that isn’t a happy cub owner ...

Different strokes for different folks .

rebuild looks great :)

JWE
05-14-2020, 06:31 AM
I owned a Super Cub before the Husky and love both. I was actually looking for a Cub when I ran across the Husky, and couldn't pass it up.

Bill.Brine
05-14-2020, 07:28 AM
Soooo........what have you been flying lately?

Glenn

My desk chair and the 180.

The Cub sold in February.
Nothing better to fly around the patch than a PA -11.



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Tractor flyer
05-14-2020, 08:10 AM
Bought a Husky 1 and half years ago and also co-own 160 cub and yes the cub always puts a smile on my face when driving it.

RaisedByWolves
05-14-2020, 08:50 AM
My desk chair and the 180.

The Cub sold in February.
Nothing better to fly around the patch than a PA -11.



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Farmboy
05-14-2020, 10:19 AM
My desk chair and the 180.

The Cub sold in February.
Nothing better to fly around the patch than a PA -11.



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Based on the last few months Bill you should have traded that desk chair for fuel, taken the 180 to Montana and flown the Husky around till summer.


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Amy
05-14-2020, 10:25 AM
Photos exist of me flying a Husky and smiling. I did not burst into flames or get exiled from the Church of Cub for this.

There are things I like about both, and Iíd happily own and/or fly either.

mvivion
05-14-2020, 12:32 PM
I've flown Huskys for work, on wheels, floats and skis. Great airplanes in all three categories.

Adolph Galland, the famous German fighter general, responded when asked which aircraft was his favorite, something to the effect that it was "The one I was flying that day".

And, that's a pretty good approach.
MTV

MoJo
05-14-2020, 02:26 PM
I am contemplating this right now. Should I make the switch?

I have a 150 cub set up with all the good options including big tires, amphibs and hydraulic skis, and I absolutely love this airplane until the trip distance ticks over the 100 mile mark.

Running hard, floats, skis, or big tires - average speed of 87mph. All my non cub guys are waiting for me or doing slow flight so I can keep up.

i can hover And land like a helicopter, but I can’t Get anywhere.

I like the ease of going from floats to wheels and back vs husky with new bungees every time, but I have passed on several trips due to time and distance.

Thinking about making a change. Anyone care to advise?

mvivion
05-14-2020, 03:02 PM
In my experience, our 160 hp Cubs were ~ 20 mph slower than the Huskys, when mounted on the same gear (as in same model floats, same size tires, same skis.

That was the primary reason I switched to a Husky. The distances I needed to travel were too long to do in a Cub.

MTV

skywagon8a
05-14-2020, 03:21 PM
In my experience, our 160 hp Cubs were ~ 20 mph slower than the Huskys, when mounted on the same gear (as in same model floats, same size tires, same skis.

That was the primary reason I switched to a Husky. The distances I needed to travel were too long to do in a Cub.

MTV
Mike, Do you think that there is more difference than just a fixed pitch vs constant speed prop?

Brandsman
05-14-2020, 04:14 PM
Heresy I know but I am now a huge fan of another Piper product - the PA-28 B Cherokee 235. Cheap enough to have in addition to a Cub so you can still do all the Cub things but - for the longer flights - massive useful load, 130knot cruise and can operate out of a 1500í strip.


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mvivion
05-14-2020, 04:32 PM
Mike, Do you think that there is more difference than just a fixed pitch vs constant speed prop?

Pete,

Well, 180 hp engine vs 160, Constant Speed prop vs fixed (and flat Borer props to boot), and the Husky may be just a bit more streamlined....

I suspect the prop is the biggest difference, maybe.

MTV

MoJo
05-14-2020, 04:33 PM
If it were up to me, I would have three.

If I could justify two, the Cub would be one of them. I guess I am looking for a compromise.

Farmboy
05-14-2020, 04:55 PM
If you want to compare supercub speeds, my opinion is that the 100 mph mark is somewhat aligned with the triple digit mark in powerboats. Many versions will get to that mark. Running above it (significantly) often takes big bags of money. More so in powerboats than cubs, but same theme. 10k can net you a mere 2-3 mph. Itís a drag thing. Either get rid of the drag or overcome it with power.

But back to Cubs.

The FX3 does well using a light airframe but really itís a HP and CS prop that bring it up to the 120mph mark.
In that respect itís similar to a Husky or a Bearhawk. Metal wings are fairings surely allow the Bearhawk to fun faster on the same power. None of them are lighter!
Iím waiting for Clint or some other out of the box thinker to bolt a set of Bearhawk wings (metal ribblet airfoil) onto a Javon or even a 4 place airframes Alaska fuselage and PA-18 tail, and see how it flies compared to a SuperCub.

Mojo, in response to your situation, which is not unlike mine, I can only offer this - pick a new airplane, pick new slower friends to fly with, or test the limits of their patience by asking them to slow down. No good answers.


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CamTom12
05-14-2020, 07:15 PM
Iím waiting for Clint or some other out of the box thinker to bolt a set of Bearhawk wings (metal ribblet airfoil) onto a Javon or even a 4 place airframes Alaska fuselage and PA-18 tail, and see how it flies compared to a SuperCub.

I was researching this a while back, the spar spacing is only an inch or so different between the two. Itís been really nice to have 4 seats in my Pacer so I changed my thinking to just building a Bearhawk when the time is right.

jliltd
05-14-2020, 10:48 PM
I fly a 2006 A-1B-200. I love Super Cubs but prefer the speeds of the Husky. I just don't have that kind of time. With a Husky I have flown from El Paso to Kansas City, spent two hours on the ground, then continued on to Canton, OH. All in one day. In a Super Cub I have made the same trip and had to overnight in Wichita. If 50 or 75 feet in landing or takeoff distance makes a difference to somebody that's fine. But if that kind of tolerance is needed to make it in or out of a strip I don't want to be there in the first place. I do prefer the lighter controls on the Super Cub for coyote chasing.

48804

I tend to not have a type loyalty. Aside from the Husky I have a Cessna 180, Comache 260B, RV-8, RV-3B, Cessna 140, Nanchang CJ-6A, Luscombe 8A and half of two Air Tractor 802 air tankers. Oh. And one ex. ;-)

Steve Pierce
05-15-2020, 07:00 AM
I have gotten a kick out of all these Husky threads over the years. I guess it all depends on your mission. Speed is not in the top of my priority list. Yanking and banking down the Brazos river and getting in and out of some ass hole strips is along with a few trips to Utah and Idaho a year if I am lucky. I have quite a bit of time in an A1A Husky and have flown the B and C as well. Put Super Cub gear on a C and noticed that it slowed it down. I like the control harmony of the Super Cub and feel like I wear it. I think the Husky is a great airplane I just don't like the feel of it like I do the Cub. Just a dumb ass mechanics 2 cents.

skywagon8a
05-15-2020, 07:12 AM
I don't have much experience with a Husky. With that in mind 30 years ago I installed a new set of floats on a new Husky, then gave the owner his 10 hours of dual for the insurance company. My impression was that is was similar to a PA-18 except at low speeds when the wing just didn't feel like it was up to the job as a PA-18 does. I do a lot of my flying analysis by feel. Numbers are good, but the seat of my pants tells me more. Also from a mechanic's perspective I hated working on it because there were too many screws holding it together. Heck there is a whole box of screws just holding the covers over the shock cords. Normally I could do a complete EDO 2000 new float installation in eight hours including assembling the floats. The Husky took sixteen hours.

Perhaps the newer wings fly better, I've been told they do.

SJ
05-15-2020, 07:21 AM
There are not many airplanes that I don't like. If I dig in to why, it is usually not general disdain, it is more something like "I don't like flying Cherokee's from the left seat because I have to drag myself across the passenger seat". In the case of the Huskys - which I probably have only around fifty or so hours in - it's that the seat doesn't move and my knees hit the instrument panel. Also for "that kind of flying" I prefer a lighter tail. But I agree with Pierce - every plane has a mission, some have a wide array of missions, some have a very narrow one (like a Fireboss for example).

48805

mvivion
05-15-2020, 08:40 AM
I think Steve made an important point or two. For years Iíve told folks who asked about Husky vs Cub that itís all about the mission.

If I were flying a relatively short distance to land on a shortish off airport Site, Iíd likely choose the Cub. If, on the other hand, I need to fly 150 miles, do three or four hours of low and slow, then return home without refueling, Iíd take the Husky. Actually, Iíd take the Husky on ANY flight that involved a relatively long cross country. The Husky does a good job in short, off airport sites as well, but it requires a bit more finesse to work as tight as the Cub.

But, on floats or skis, Iíd take the Husky, hands down, EVERY day. The Husky outperforms the Cub (and yes, there are exceptions....weíre talking generalities here) on those configurations most days in takeoff performance.

MTV

RaisedByWolves
05-15-2020, 08:43 AM
Whatís the new ones fly like with a trim tab?


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john schwamm
05-15-2020, 09:04 AM
I just flew a new one yesterday with the new trim tab and the IO -390 engine. Trim takes some getting used to as just no stick forces with no spring tension any more. One would get used to it but different after all the years with the spring. The 215HP engine makes it really go fast if you want, but it is nose heavy and it weighed 1447lbs, my other Husky's with 0-360 weigh 1300lb, so big difference to me. I like them light. Nice smooth engine with lots of power but for me I think a light one will outperform it for short stuff.
John

BrianP
05-15-2020, 09:38 AM
You might need a thread that hides your identity
;-)

GlennI never understood why some super cub guys dislike Huskys so much, I guess they feel threatened 😉

Bill.Brine
05-15-2020, 09:49 AM
Whatís the new ones fly like with a trim tab?


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Feels more like a cub.




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G44
05-15-2020, 10:04 AM
I never understood why some super cub guys dislike Huskys so much, I guess they feel threatened 

Ford Chevy thing probably....

I like em both.
Kurt

Cub junkie
05-15-2020, 10:08 AM
I don't have any skin in the game but I will say this. I'm glad there are those terrible inferior designs like Husky's and Maule's. They're made here in America by skilled hands with vendor parts also made here with skilled hands. Isn't it great we have choices?

mvivion
05-15-2020, 01:08 PM
I don't have any skin in the game but I will say this. I'm glad there are those terrible inferior designs like Husky's and Maule's. They're made here in America by skilled hands with vendor parts also made here with skilled hands. Isn't it great we have choices?

Ain't it the truth? Frankly, I'm amazed there are still so many people involved in aircraft and component manufacture.....and thankful.

MTV

jimcrawford01
05-16-2020, 11:15 AM
So it's been a while since anyone has posted Husky information. How many folks do we have here on SuperCub.org that are Husky drivers?

Well, this is a CUB Forum. Says so right in the title.
However, since you asked, I drive a HUSKY and I really like the aircraft..
As stated by several others, the mission is of great importance.
Both are such fun.
Jim

MoJo
05-16-2020, 12:04 PM
Enjoying this thread.

I’ve flown a hundred + different types of airplanes, but I’ve never flown a Husky. Nothing I’ve flown handles as well as a Cub for low and slow, and can carry the load.

When I bought my Cub, I had too many Cub guys tell me they wouldn’t want a Husky. Difficult $$ to change from gear to floats and back, poor handling at Cub slow speeds, not as good in tight spaces, heavier to manipulate when by yourself and digging out, fixed stab with a spring versus trim stab.

I’m being told that newer ones handle better at slower speeds than before, and my mission is changing to longer distances.

mvivion
05-16-2020, 12:24 PM
Enjoying this thread.

I’ve flown a hundred + different types of airplanes, but I’ve never flown a Husky. Nothing I’ve flown handles as well as a Cub for low and slow, and can carry the load.

When I bought my Cub, I had too many Cub guys tell me they wouldn’t want a Husky. Difficult $$ to change from gear to floats and back, poor handling at Cub slow speeds, not as good in tight spaces, heavier to manipulate when by yourself and digging out, fixed stab with a spring versus trim stab.

I’m being told that newer ones handle better at slower speeds than before, and my mission is changing to longer distances.

First question you should be asking when someone tells you about the Husky is: "How much Husky time do YOU have?" Then, fly one for yourself and make up your own mind. Airfoil is same as a Cub. Like most aircraft, it's an acquired taste. For it's mission, it works fine.
"Poor handling at Cub slow speeds" ?? That's funny. I did Dall sheep surveys in a Husky for nearly 15 seasons, and much preferred the Husky to a Cub in that environment. Nothing wrong with either airplane, but there is a LOT of knocking of Huskys out there, often by folks who've never flown one, but they HEARD that.....

MTV

john schwamm
05-16-2020, 12:29 PM
One has to fly a Husky differently than a cub. I have both and like them both. Cub can fly a bit slower and land slightly shorter. But Husky is faster and more solid feel to me. Constant speed prop gives great options for smooth flight without the high rpms of trying to go faster in cub. More efficient for low power and fuel savings and still go faster than cub.

Landing a Husky short requires nose up attitude as the flaps are all lift in Husky, if one aims at landing spot and going too fast it just floats on past. Unlike cub where one can point at the spot and hit it without floating past unless going really fast. Fly the Husky like a Helio Courier, nose up and slow, then just plop it down short, over quick. Full flaps on takeoff, do not raise the tail, stick back pressure and it just levitates. Totally different techniques from cub.
Husky to me has better feel for long distances, never get too tired on long flights, cub just vibrates too much after a bit, and is slow!
The new Husky trim tab makes the feel similar to cub, light on controls, they eliminated the big spring that requires trimming all the time, but once used to it no big deal to me. New trim actually feels odd with no resistance.
My thoughts.
John

Steve Pierce
05-16-2020, 12:33 PM
Enjoying this thread.

I’ve flown a hundred + different types of airplanes, but I’ve never flown a Husky. Nothing I’ve flown handles as well as a Cub for low and slow, and can carry the load.

When I bought my Cub, I had too many Cub guys tell me they wouldn’t want a Husky. Difficult $$ to change from gear to floats and back, poor handling at Cub slow speeds, not as good in tight spaces, heavier to manipulate when by yourself and digging out, fixed stab with a spring versus trim stab.

I’m being told that newer ones handle better at slower speeds than before, and my mission is changing to longer distances.

I agree with their critiques and have flown them both. The predator control and border patrol guys told me the same thing.

Flyingde
05-16-2020, 01:21 PM
I have been on and off of this board for over 20 years. Most civil Husky conversation I have seen in a long time. You guys are getting old..... lol...

I always chuckle at the Husky/Cub arguments but the Cessna 180 is welcomed with open arms....

I would wager that the VAST majority of both types are flown in and out of places that you could land a Bonanza. The folks who are really using these things offroad are I am willing to bet a very small minority. At least here in the lower 48. I know I am one of the former.

But those 29's look sooooooo good on there.... lol

40m
05-16-2020, 01:29 PM
I never understood why some super cub guys dislike Huskys so much, I guess they feel threatened 

Oh that's just NY Glenn, don't misunderstand him. Put him in any airplane with a tank of gas and he will love every minute of it, even a Husky!:-P

King Brown
05-16-2020, 06:44 PM
A famous Galland quote comes from a visit by Goering when the Luftwaffe commander asked Galland if there was anything he needed: "A squadron of Spitfires."

kase
05-16-2020, 07:17 PM
When landing in the high country I prefer the Husky. Seems to get out and climb a lot better. However a 180 cub with a MT would be good also.
48814

G44
05-16-2020, 08:08 PM
One has to fly a Husky differently than a cub. I have both and like them both. Cub can fly a bit slower and land slightly shorter. But Husky is faster and more solid feel to me. Constant speed prop gives great options for smooth flight without the high rpms of trying to go faster in cub. More efficient for low power and fuel savings and still go faster than cub.

Landing a Husky short requires nose up attitude as the flaps are all lift in Husky, if one aims at landing spot and going too fast it just floats on past. Unlike cub where one can point at the spot and hit it without floating past unless going really fast. Fly the Husky like a Helio Courier, nose up and slow, then just plop it down short, over quick. Full flaps on takeoff, do not raise the tail, stick back pressure and it just levitates. Totally different techniques from cub.
Husky to me has better feel for long distances, never get too tired on long flights, cub just vibrates too much after a bit, and is slow!
The new Husky trim tab makes the feel similar to cub, light on controls, they eliminated the big spring that requires trimming all the time, but once used to it no big deal to me. New trim actually feels odd with no resistance.
My thoughts.
John

Having owned a Super Cub and Husky I echo what John said. I love them both but I own a Husky right now, fits my mission better.

Kurt

Mnjoe
05-16-2020, 08:17 PM
Flyingde post is funny, today I had to choose between my husky on straight floats vs my A36 Bonanza for a 180 nautical flight. Because of weather I chose the Bonanza. Had it been a super cub not a husky hands down it would have been the Bonanza.

gkm
05-16-2020, 09:25 PM
I previously owned a 180 hp super cub. I now own a new wing Husky. Without much detailed explanation, here are the areas where I find significant differences between the two airplanes and which plane is better in this area *in my opinion.

Baggage area. + Super cub.
Landing gear. + Super cub.
Elevator control. + Super cub.
Aftermarket mods. + Super cub.
Parts availability. + Super cub.
Flap hinge head knockers. + Super cub.
Stall speed. + Super cub.

Climb. + Husky
Speed. + Husky
Range. + Husky
Aileron control. + Husky
Passenger comfort. + Husky
Overall comfort. + Husky
Strength and simplicity of horizontal stabilizer. + Husky

G44
05-16-2020, 09:33 PM
Crash worthiness + Husky

gkm
05-16-2020, 10:09 PM
Crash worthiness + Husky

Oh, yep. Absolutely. ++ Husky

Steve Pierce
05-17-2020, 07:49 AM
I love dealing with Aviat on parts, availability and price are second to none. :lol::lol::lol:

Flyingde
05-18-2020, 06:18 AM
Now that is pretty funny...

wldwzl01
05-18-2020, 11:43 PM
Lots more Husky folks on here than I imagined! Not my intent to start a Husky vs Cub free for all and am glad to see we're civil! Similar aircraft for somewhat different missions. I enjoy both, and have modded my Husky to where it is pretty comparable. But I'm light (the airplane!) and have Cub gear! However, I need to stop putting divots on my forehead. 362sm trip to Flat AK in 3.2hrs this weekend would have been 4.5hrs in the Cub.

MartinS
05-20-2020, 03:43 PM
As another Husky owner on SuperCub.org I definitely enjoy this thread. Huskys are great aircraft, and we know nothing beats a light SuperCub when it comes to landing. Otherwise I always have fun flying with my Cub friends. A main reason why the Husky has a bad reputation is Aviat, and Steve is head on: Dealing with the company and waiting for expensive parts can be frustrating. Parts are often twice or more the price of almost identical Piper parts. There are no multiple vendors.

In Alaska it can be a challenge to find a mechanic who wants to work on a Husky. Besides parts, mechanics used to Piper products do not like to work on the spring loaded trim system, the narrow engine compartment, or all the panel screws.

A friend who had his Husky repaired at Aviat in Afton told me recently: 'Now I understand why 90% of Husky owners are at least 55 years old, have a thick wallet, and fly less than 30 hours per year'.

Mnjoe
05-20-2020, 07:43 PM
I can’t figure out why My Husky flys as poorly as my A36 Bonanza and those of you that have flown a Beechcraft know how poorly they fly!! Just kidding

Steve Pierce
05-20-2020, 08:22 PM
As another Husky owner on SuperCub.org I definitely enjoy this thread. Huskys are great aircraft, and we know nothing beats a light SuperCub when it comes to landing. Otherwise I always have fun flying with my Cub friends. A main reason why the Husky has a bad reputation is Aviat, and Steve is head on: Dealing with the company and waiting for expensive parts can be frustrating. Parts are often twice or more the price of almost identical Piper parts. There are no multiple vendors.

In Alaska it can be a challenge to find a mechanic who wants to work on a Husky. Besides parts, mechanics used to Piper products do not like to work on the spring loaded trim system, the narrow engine compartment, or all the panel screws.

A friend who had his Husky repaired at Aviat in Afton told me recently: 'Now I understand why 90% of Husky owners are at least 55 years old, have a thick wallet, and fly less than 30 hours per year'.
I don't understand mechanics not wanting to work on a Husky. They are usually in way better condition than a lot of old Super Cubs and haven't been rebuilt by who knows who who did who knows what. They are pretty straight forward and all those screws give you access to lots of things. A good screw gun is your friend. 180 HP engine e on a Husky is easier to work on than most Cub engines. The 200 hp is a pita as it is pretty compact in there.

mvivion
05-20-2020, 08:24 PM
As another Husky owner on SuperCub.org I definitely enjoy this thread. Huskys are great aircraft, and we know nothing beats a light SuperCub when it comes to landing. Otherwise I always have fun flying with my Cub friends. A main reason why the Husky has a bad reputation is Aviat, and Steve is head on: Dealing with the company and waiting for expensive parts can be frustrating. Parts are often twice or more the price of almost identical Piper parts. There are no multiple vendors.

In Alaska it can be a challenge to find a mechanic who wants to work on a Husky. Besides parts, mechanics used to Piper products do not like to work on the spring loaded trim system, the narrow engine compartment, or all the panel screws.

A friend who had his Husky repaired at Aviat in Afton told me recently: 'Now I understand why 90% of Husky owners are at least 55 years old, have a thick wallet, and fly less than 30 hours per year'.

It does help if you don't break the things, thus requiring parts....:lol:

As to all those machine screws, a mechanic works by the hour....then again, owner participation helps.

And, yes, Piper parts (actually pma'd parts that have nothing to do with Piper) are commonly available. Try ordering some parts from Cub Crafters for a CC-18-180. Or from Cessna for a 180.

There's something about aircraft manufacturers and parts....:roll:

MTV

john schwamm
05-20-2020, 08:40 PM
As another Husky owner on SuperCub.org I definitely enjoy this thread. Huskys are great aircraft, and we know nothing beats a light SuperCub when it comes to landing. Otherwise I always have fun flying with my Cub friends. A main reason why the Husky has a bad reputation is Aviat, and Steve is head on: Dealing with the company and waiting for expensive parts can be frustrating. Parts are often twice or more the price of almost identical Piper parts. There are no multiple vendors.

In Alaska it can be a challenge to find a mechanic who wants to work on a Husky. Besides parts, mechanics used to Piper products do not like to work on the spring loaded trim system, the narrow engine compartment, or all the panel screws.

A friend who had his Husky repaired at Aviat in Afton told me recently: 'Now I understand why 90% of Husky owners are at least 55 years old, have a thick wallet, and fly less than 30 hours per year'.


Whitewings Aircraft services at Lake Hood rebuilt both my Husky's, bought them as projects and we made them nice and lightweight. Any IA who says Husky is hard to work on is not who you want to use. Other than some screws to take off metal panels rather than uncover fabric for access is not hard at all, gives one access to most all areas needed. Very basic airplanes.
Built better than a cub, and if your IA cannot figure it out from a cub, get a new mechanic!
John

MoJo
05-22-2020, 08:53 AM
Whitewings Aircraft services at Lake Hood rebuilt both my Husky's, bought them as projects and we made them nice and lightweight. Any IA who says Husky is hard to work on is not who you want to use. Other than some screws to take off metal panels rather than uncover fabric for access is not hard at all, gives one access to most all areas needed. Very basic airplanes.
Built better than a cub, and if your IA cannot figure it out from a cub, get a new mechanic!
John
I helped the shop put my amphibs on my cub yesterday. I will be billed about 2 - 3 hours labor and 0 parts. I hear that a husky is a near full day project and a new set of bungees $?

john schwamm
05-22-2020, 11:13 AM
Floats on Husky on mine are the same as cub, I have cub gear/AOSS on my husky, no bungees. But even if bungees not a big deal, all else pretty much the same. Good idea to change bungees anyway if one has them rather than cub gear.
John

MoJo
05-22-2020, 01:18 PM
Floats on Husky on mine are the same as cub, I have cub gear/AOSS on my husky, no bungees. But even if bungees not a big deal, all else pretty much the same. Good idea to change bungees anyway if one has them rather than cub gear.
John

I understand that this is a bit of major surgery to change a Husky to aoss? Are there two different mods? IE One that changes Husky to Cub gear, and another that just eliminates bungees?

john schwamm
05-22-2020, 01:28 PM
Only the Burl's Aircraft STC for the cub gear mod on Husky, does require some welding to beef things up. No other mod I know to eliminate bungees.
John

mvivion
05-22-2020, 03:12 PM
I helped the shop put my amphibs on my cub yesterday. I will be billed about 2 - 3 hours labor and 0 parts. I hear that a husky is a near full day project and a new set of bungees $?

Two to three hours to install amphibs sounds pretty light, even on a second or third install.....but,

I ran Huskys that went from wheels to floats and back seasonally. Change never took over 3 hours or so. These were straight floats.

Yes, bungees are a bit of a pain, but as John says, the new bungee material won't hold up for 20 years like the old gear bungees used to do. So, it's not a bad idea to have new bungees every year in any case, and they're not obscenely expensive.

The new Huskys have a different gear, with shock struts internally in place of the bungees. Never saw one apart, so not sure how that works, but I'm betting it'll make gear changes a piece of cake.

MTV

redfin
05-22-2020, 04:52 PM
I helped the shop put my amphibs on my cub yesterday. I will be billed about 2 - 3 hours labor and 0 parts. I hear that a husky is a near full day project and a new set of bungees $?

I’ve heard that a Husky uses 6 bungees, as opposed to a Cub using 4 bungees $? ? ?
Would that really be a reason to choose a Cub over Husky?

MoJo
05-22-2020, 05:07 PM
Iíve heard that a Husky uses 6 bungees, as opposed to a Cub using 4 bungees $? ? ?
Would that really be a reason to choose a Cub over Husky?

Costs over time. Iíll replace my Cub bungees roughly once every 5yrs - 6 yrs. Iíve been considering a Husky, and have been informed about 300$ extra every float to wheel change (I assume that is parts and labor as I am on year four now and I havenít had to do it yet on my cub.).

john schwamm
05-22-2020, 05:13 PM
Two to three hours to install amphibs sounds pretty light, even on a second or third install.....but,

I ran Huskys that went from wheels to floats and back seasonally. Change never took over 3 hours or so. These were straight floats.

Yes, bungees are a bit of a pain, but as John says, the new bungee material won't hold up for 20 years like the old gear bungees used to do. So, it's not a bad idea to have new bungees every year in any case, and they're not obscenely expensive.

The new Huskys have a different gear, with shock struts internally in place of the bungees. Never saw one apart, so not sure how that works, but I'm betting it'll make gear changes a piece of cake.

MTV
Mike,
Think the bungees are still there with the shocks, believe they just dampen the bounce?
John

MoJo
05-22-2020, 05:30 PM
Two to three hours to install amphibs sounds pretty light, even on a second or third install.....but,

I ran Huskys that went from wheels to floats and back seasonally. Change never took over 3 hours or so. These were straight floats.

Yes, bungees are a bit of a pain, but as John says, the new bungee material won't hold up for 20 years like the old gear bungees used to do. So, it's not a bad idea to have new bungees every year in any case, and they're not obscenely expensive.

The new Huskys have a different gear, with shock struts internally in place of the bungees. Never saw one apart, so not sure how that works, but I'm betting it'll make gear changes a piece of cake.

MTV Since you are familiar with straight floats, labor time and parts, what would be the difference Husky vs Cub
going from wheels to floats and back again?

Steve Pierce
05-22-2020, 05:32 PM
6 1380 bungee cords on a Husky, they are a bitch in my opinion. Had to beef up my tool to stretch them. $32.75 x 6 for 1380 and if you want 1380HDs they are $81.75 each.

Installing Cub gear on a Husky is a lot of work with lots of welding, sleeving the tubes all the way up to the panel.
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mvivion
05-22-2020, 10:27 PM
Since you are familiar with straight floats, labor time and parts, what would be the difference Husky vs Cub
going from wheels to floats and back again?

Maybe an hour or a bit more.

MTV

WhiskeyMike
05-23-2020, 09:19 AM
I had a couple of Huskys. They were useful...lot of bang for the buck. Very fast, 50 gallons fuel, relatively new airframes (vs. 1946 PA-12) No wing strut issues, tail didn't shake. Good muffler system. Downside... flew a bit strange compared to a PA-18, slightly hard to get in and out of compared to a PA18, maintenance issues with MT props (got a Hartzell CF, end of troubles). expensive parts, trim system springs and cogs wear out. tail wire upgrades become more and more necessary, after wire broke in flight. Cheaper than outfitting a PA-18 with the same goodies, but never ever going to be a Super Cub, and they look chubby. Oh yeah, they have cooling issues even in no work environment. tight cowls. Still pretty good machine, and lower cost ot buy an older one. Last of all - they'll scalp you.

mvivion
05-23-2020, 09:34 AM
Mike,
Think the bungees are still there with the shocks, believe they just dampen the bounce?
John

John,

That May be. Never seen them open, just pics.

MTV

G44
05-23-2020, 10:00 AM
John,

That May be. Never seen them open, just pics.

MTV

Yep, bungees still there with the new “shock” gear.

Bill.Brine
05-23-2020, 10:45 AM
Unlike a Cub every Husky has a five point harness attached directly to the airframe. Not just weld on tabs, bolted to the seat base or who knows what was cobbled together in 1977 with a well intentioned owner manufactured part, but a harness that is attached directly to the tubular airframe structure.

MoJo
05-24-2020, 10:34 AM
Unlike a Cub every Husky has a five point harness attached directly to the airframe. Not just weld on tabs, bolted to the seat base or who knows what was cobbled together in 1977 with a well intentioned owner manufactured part, but a harness that is attached directly to the tubular airframe structure.
I have seen a simple fix for that. Seatbelts attached to vinyl coated cable rapped around the frame.

MoJo
05-24-2020, 10:38 AM
I had a couple of Huskys. They were useful...lot of bang for the buck. Very fast, 50 gallons fuel, relatively new airframes (vs. 1946 PA-12) No wing strut issues, tail didn't shake. Good muffler system. Downside... flew a bit strange compared to a PA-18, slightly hard to get in and out of compared to a PA18, maintenance issues with MT props (got a Hartzell CF, end of troubles). expensive parts, trim system springs and cogs wear out. tail wire upgrades become more and more necessary, after wire broke in flight. Cheaper than outfitting a PA-18 with the same goodies, but never ever going to be a Super Cub, and they look chubby. Oh yeah, they have cooling issues even in no work environment. tight cowls. Still pretty good machine, and lower cost ot buy an older one. Last of all - they'll scalp you.. But still.. there I was two days ago, 92 mph and cruising along at 60 mph ground speed.

Bill.Brine
05-24-2020, 10:50 AM
489774897848979

Seat base is part of the airframe.
New pilots seat folds forward.
This airframe was on its back.



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Flyingde
05-24-2020, 05:58 PM
Do you have any idea what that fuselage weighed?? I have asked that question for years as a comparison to a cub and have never gotten an answer.

Bill.Brine
05-25-2020, 07:22 AM
Do you have any idea what that fuselage weighed?? I have asked that question for years as a comparison to a cub and have never gotten an answer.

No idea.

My guess is a ~20-30 lbs more. Lots more structure, tabs and just more to it.

Listening to the folks in Afton I get the feeling they err toward durability and safty over weight savings.
That plus gizmos, CS prop, Oregon aero cushions, 50 gallon tanks result in 1,300 lbs planes.


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Steve Pierce
05-25-2020, 09:16 AM
Unlike a Cub every Husky has a five point harness attached directly to the airframe. Not just weld on tabs, bolted to the seat base or who knows what was cobbled together in 1977 with a well intentioned owner manufactured part, but a harness that is attached directly to the tubular airframe structure.
Most Super Cubs that have been rebuilt in the last 20 years have Atlee Dodge STC'd seat belts to the floor. Several threads here on SuperCub.org on that modification.

Amy
05-25-2020, 10:18 AM
Most Super Cubs that have been rebuilt in the last 20 years have Atlee Dodge STC'd seat belts to the floor. Several threads here on SuperCub.org on that modification.

This mod was a must for my Cub rebuild thanks to the folks here at SC.org making me aware of it. It requires a bit of justification since my airplane was born a J3 (the STC covers the PA-11 and PA-18) but was converted to a PA-11 configuration. The PA-18 has much better structure for shoulder harnesses, though. But, just about anything is better than nothing in terms of shoulder harnesses in an old airplane.

I recall there was some report on shoulder harnesses in the PA-18 that showed they actually made the airplane itself fare better in a crash because of the way the compressive forced worked. Iíve never seen it but maybe someone knows of it?

There is no doubt that a Part 23 airframe is built solidly, and that carries a weight penalty. Itís not necessarily a bad thing, though in Aviatís case the lack of adjustable seat until 2018 certainly was a mistake that cost some sales. I was flying a 2017 Husky and I was given carpet samples to stack to get the right spot in addition to a cushion. I am glad to see the new seat for the shorties like me as it adds flexibility and comfort to the modern safety standards.

óAmy

Chris_McClure
06-11-2020, 08:49 AM
I own a 2004 A1-B and a 1946 J3C-65. I fly them both, and have flown the Husky across the US twice - once to AK, and once to WA. I just fly the J3 locally.

Cubus Maximus
06-16-2020, 11:57 AM
https://backcountrypilot.org/images/originalphotos/53/6513/d796896734102120930f2ecd.jpg

CamTom12
06-16-2020, 08:25 PM
Interesting! What is that?

Chris_McClure
06-16-2020, 09:10 PM
First question you should be asking when someone tells you about the Husky is: "How much Husky time do YOU have?" Then, fly one for yourself and make up your own mind. Airfoil is same as a Cub. Like most aircraft, it's an acquired taste. For it's mission, it works fine.
"Poor handling at Cub slow speeds" ?? That's funny. I did Dall sheep surveys in a Husky for nearly 15 seasons, and much preferred the Husky to a Cub in that environment. Nothing wrong with either airplane, but there is a LOT of knocking of Huskys out there, often by folks who've never flown one, but they HEARD that.....

MTV
Mike

You may not remember me - we met in Montana in probably 2007 or so. My then girlfriend, now wife, Carol and I flew from NC in my then new to me red 2004 A1-B to a flyin at Winifred. We still have the same A1-B, and now have about 1100 hours flying it. Obviously I like it. Over the years I have flown a couple of friends' Super Cubs and enjoyed them, and now I also have a 1946 J3-C, which I am still getting used to after a couple of years of owning it. We have flown the Husky across the US a couple of times, all around the east and Midwest, and to AK and back on our honeymoon. I like it because it is a bit faster than a SC (not quite as slow of course, and it lands longer, as it is heavier). The constant speed prop and the 180 hp is useful. It is also IFR certified, which was a plus for my type of flying, and the heated pitot tube is fairly accurate at very slow speeds. The Husky has a very good service ceiling - probably higher than I will ever go... I can land the Husky in a little less than 400 feet in no wind conditions, which suits my needs just fine. It handles crosswinds very well. Uses less runway to take off than land, and the brakes actually work - unlike my experience with the Cubs that I have flown (including my J-3), although I don't use the brakes that much. The Husky took a bit of getting used to, but I am quite used to it now, and it is a really solidly built aircraft. I really like the feel of it (feels familiar, like a well-broken-in flight jacket). I have flown other Huskies of various ages, although not one of the "new wing" models. I have flown a lot of different aircraft in the 37 years that I have been flying, and they all have advantages and disadvantages. Piper Cubs - SC and other, have a classic mystique, which is kind of cool, and one of the reasons I bought the J3-C. Ladies and kids love those little yellow airplanes with the black lightning bolt!

CM

Chris_McClure
06-16-2020, 09:17 PM
Interesting! What is that?
The sign says it is a Fairchild Husky - looks interesting.

skywagon8a
06-17-2020, 04:11 AM
Interesting! What is that?


The sign says it is a Fairchild Husky - looks interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_F-11_Husky

https://www.bushplane.com/data/uploads/bushplanes/husky.jpg

courierguy
06-17-2020, 09:03 AM
Iíve heard that a Husky uses 6 bungees, as opposed to a Cub using 4 bungees $? ? ?
Would that really be a reason to choose a Cub over Husky?


This clears something up for me: after installing cub style gear on my RANS S-7S some years ago, I at first used 1380 bungees (in addition to the Fox air shocks). Eventually, I grudgingly realized I needed to go to 1380 HD bungees. Grudgingly, as I couldn't believe my 780 pound plane needed the HD version.....but I also didn't realized that SC's use FOUR bungees, I only use two, I feel better now. I will also feel better the next time I curse while getting just two of them installed.

Skyflier
06-19-2020, 08:20 PM
My dad is just finishing a CarbonCub EX. I fly for a living. I want to get an airplane that I can go into the back country with him. Having a hard time knowing which way to go. Sounds like CC's, SC's and Huskies all have their good points. I live within a couple hour drive of Afton, plus for the Husky. Enjoying the thread. In doing the research, seems like the new wing in 2005 and the upgrades in 2007 are kind of the sweet spot for the guy that doesn't want to spend a serious amount of money buying but also doesn't want to spend to little. Anyone have a recommendations on where the sweet spot is year wise?

G44
06-19-2020, 09:01 PM
There really is no “sweet spot” for the Huskys. The old wing airplanes are very good as well as the new wing airplanes. Actually there are a few that prefer the old wing, I am not one of them, I have owned both but I sure would wouldn’t not look at one if I was searching to buy. The old wing airplanes are priced less so there is a plus. I have owned Super Cub, Citabria, Arctic Tern and dad had a Scout. I have also owned 2 Husky’s and have one now. For me and the type of flying I do I prefer the Husky and would also prefer it if I moved back to Alaska.

Like you said, all have their plusses and minus’s. I personally think the Husky would be my first choice for your type of flying but if a good Super Cub or Scout came along priced right I would give that strong consideration. Keep in mind, the short take off and landing is only part of the mission. A proficient pilot in any of the mentioned airplanes along with good judgement will be the most important to back country success.

Since you live close to Aviat give Earl Polenz or Steve Anderson a call at Aviat and go fly a Husky, I think you will da joy it as well as learn a lot. Good luck!

Kurt

G44
06-19-2020, 09:04 PM
Iíve heard that a Husky uses 6 bungees, as opposed to a Cub using 4 bungees $? ? ?
Would that really be a reason to choose a Cub over Husky?


No, there are other reasons to choose a Cub over a Husky but that is not one of them. There are also reasons to choose a Husky over a Cub too.

Kurt

Skyflier
06-19-2020, 09:13 PM
Kurt,
Thanks a ton for your perspective, it was exactly what I was looking for!!

G44
06-19-2020, 09:37 PM
Kurt,
Thanks a ton for your perspective, it was exactly what I was looking for!!
You bet! PM me if you want to talk further on the phone. Kurt

Jorfarms
06-27-2020, 01:56 PM
Iíve also have a A1 Husky that I fly on 31 ABW and skis in the winter, along with an experimental cub on amphibs.4970549707