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SJ
07-25-2019, 06:45 AM
On Tuesday at New Holstein, nearly everyone was away at the Washington Island Flyout. I'm glad I chose to stay behind this year as Brad Damm, Cubcrafters VP of Sales and Marketing stopped by in the new controversial NX-Cub and let me take it around the patch a few times.

First, I should say I have flown the "normal" X-Cub before and was impressed the with fit and feel of that machine even with the rather rough conditions I flew it in Yakima, so I was familiar with how it feels sitting in it, except now, even the most vertically challenged can see over the nose when stopped.

One of the first things you notice is how easy it is to get in and out of. Those of you with floats/amphibs know how much that helps the climb in, this is even better since you start from the ground.

This is a market survey airplane and they are still working on a LOT of tweaks, like this new 393i engine which Brad said was more than 215HP. I followed Brad's instructions about setting the mixture for best power before launching, and I was on my way!

When ever I fly a "new to me" plane, I have a series of things I do. Coordination rolls (often mistakenly called "dutch rolls" even in a recent bush flying book), Steep turns, super slow flight, a number of different stalls including accelerated. I don't record a bunch of numbers when I do this, so for you number nerds out there you will be disappointed. You will also notice I don't do a "cruise speed" test, because for me it is not about that.

After all that I can say that this thing flies and responds exactly like you would expect a carbon or xcub to fly, in fact it is one of the smoothest flying machines I have flown to date. It takes off like a rocket for a 1300lb airplane (see video below) and the ability to hold the brakes when you land is a game changer. There was a decent crosswind that day and I chose to try it out on the crosswind runway and as you would expect - although I still did all the standard tailwheel x-wind corrections since you totally forget you are in a nosewheel after take off - it was a breeze to land.

When anyone talks about any new airplane, the cost comes up. This is a market survey plane so I don't even know if they have a price in mind yet. It would be a great primary training airplane in my opinion, as well as a great airplane for folks who just can't seem to get then hang of the tailwheel thing or are not as spry as they used to be to climb in and out of a tailwheel cub.

If you are really concerned, Brad says that it is NOT that big of a deal to convert it back to conventional gear - although the gear legs are different. They are also trying all kinds of different tire options from 31" mains all the way down.

For me, this airplane is the perfect bridge between the nosedragger and the taildragger, but if you happen to get stuck on the bridge, you will not be disappointed!

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I am clearly giddy with anticipation!

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All the experts had to check out the castering nosewheel configurations. Taxing was as easy as you might expect it to be!

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The big engine makes that CC smile much bigger!

Here is a video of Brad departing. That is just the air clearner that got knocked loose that you see flying off the plane.

https://youtu.be/Z4zMYzfR5xM

I would say to any "naysayer" that they ought to fly this airplane. It may not change your mind, but it will put a smile on your face!

sj

Cub junkie
07-25-2019, 12:38 PM
CC puts out excellent products. They will have no trouble selling every milk stool they produce. Its up to the skeptical's to get used to seeing them around. Good report Steve.

txpacer
07-26-2019, 10:56 AM
I got to fly it at Camp Cubcrafters. Neat little spot, nice flying airplane. They should develop an STC to put those ailerons on regular Supercubs. It's pretty easy to drag the tail on takeoff. That'll get your attention on concrete.

I wonder about handing that much performance and capability to someone who is unable or unwilling to learn how to fly a tailwheel Cub. It is not a superhuman feat. A specialized training program might be necessary. Tailwheel snobbery? Perhaps, but I get that way sometimes. Talk to me about beer.

bob turner
07-26-2019, 07:10 PM
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evroosevelt
07-26-2019, 11:17 PM
How come I am unable to see the video of Brad taking off in the new CCub I just have a black box. I have looked for a better place to ask this question but couldn't find one

SJ
07-27-2019, 05:49 AM
How come I am unable to see the video of Brad taking off in the new CCub I just have a black box. I have looked for a better place to ask this question but couldn't find one

Likely your browser is blocking it, here is the direct youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4zMYzfR5xM

aktango58
07-27-2019, 11:07 AM
Anything that gets more people flying, people flying longer in life, puts smiles on faces and improves performance must be regarded as a win!

Trainer???

I must argue that point.

Training, especially primary training, in high power planes with high lift do not require any understanding of lift or need for planning. Push throttle, pull back and it climbs, no need to think ahead about where updraft or down drafts are, density altitude... power will overcome a myriad of pilot's deficiencies.

Especially with float planes- students are not required to learn to find that sweet spot on the step, and proper technique to make a plane fly.

No comment on the plane itself, it will take some getting used to.

n40ff
07-28-2019, 08:15 AM
Sorry Bob, can't resist. The word puke comes to mind. Hopefully the survey will report it's the answer to an imagined question.

G44
07-28-2019, 09:15 AM
Anything that gets more people flying, people flying longer in life, puts smiles on faces and improves performance must be regarded as a win!

Trainer???

I must argue that point.

Training, especially primary training, in high power planes with high lift do not require any understanding of lift or need for planning. Push throttle, pull back and it climbs, no need to think ahead about where updraft or down drafts are, density altitude... power will overcome a myriad of pilot's deficiencies.

Especially with float planes- students are not required to learn to find that sweet spot on the step, and proper technique to make a plane fly.

No comment on the plane itself, it will take some getting used to.

I think a 172 is probably one of the best floatplane trainers out there. Underpowered just enough so student really has to learn the float aspect yet comfortable enough for 2 average sized adults.

Steve Pierce
07-28-2019, 08:01 PM
I got to fly it at Camp Cubcrafters. Neat little spot, nice flying airplane. They should develop an STC to put those ailerons on regular Supercubs. It's pretty easy to drag the tail on takeoff. That'll get your attention on concrete.

I wonder about handing that much performance and capability to someone who is unable or unwilling to learn how to fly a tailwheel Cub. It is not a superhuman feat. A specialized training program might be necessary. Tailwheel snobbery? Perhaps, but I get that way sometimes. Talk to me about beer.

Come on, post your famous quote. Even Jim Richmond laughed.

Cathy and I flew it as well. What a hoot. Lots of power and locking the brakes up for really short landings was un-nerving at first.

BC12D-4-85
07-28-2019, 08:54 PM
Who'll be the first to try water skipping?

Gary

txpacer
07-28-2019, 09:41 PM
Come on, post your famous quote. Even Jim Richmond laughed.

The high performance Cub for people who don't deserve one.

That's pretty snobby, I know. We all enjoyed the plane because we flew it like a Cub. Drive it on like a Cherokee and see what happens. That's the market this plane is aimed at, rich spam can drivers looking for a shortcut to backcountry adventure flying. I can't fault CC for it, they've just identified a market and are developing a product for it. It'll sell.

cubdriver2
07-28-2019, 09:49 PM
The high performance Cub for people who don't deserve one.

That's pretty snobby, I know. We all enjoyed the plane because we flew it like a Cub. Drive it on like a Cherokee and see what happens. That's the market this plane is aimed at, rich spam can drivers looking for a shortcut to backcountry adventure flying.


It's is white and the " Milk Stool" nickname hasn't been used in awhile

Glenn

gbflyer
07-28-2019, 10:33 PM
I think it’s cool. Needs 2 more seats.

CharlieN
07-29-2019, 06:42 AM
I walked past the NX at OSH and seeing the cowl and style of nosewheel I did not even consider it to be a factory built plane. Granted it had a crowd around it as most everything at OSH does so I did not get a good look at it nor did I want too.
Personally I feel a bit more time on the drawings could make a far better nose wheel system both functionally and more important aesthetically.
Neat Idea though with true value to it's mission. And yes I do not see this as a trainer but a multi use plane for a different customer than found here.

Steve Pierce
07-29-2019, 06:49 AM
Seemed to function just fine to me when I slammed it down. Could use a fairing maybe.
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Cub junkie
07-29-2019, 08:59 AM
Wonder how long before we see the first one on the Wentworth site? Inevitable somebody will find the limits of that third leg.

skywagon8a
07-30-2019, 05:43 AM
Seemed to function just fine to me when I slammed it down. Could use a fairing maybe.
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Steve, what is that device behind at the top? Some sort of a lock or adjustable friction tension device?

Steve Pierce
07-30-2019, 06:34 AM
Keeps the nose wheel from swiveling into the prop. There is a quick release pin and a microswitch that lights up a warning on the panel.

pittsdriver
08-28-2019, 07:19 AM
My thoughts on this are the biggest problem is that there are few places to get "quality" tailwheel instruction. Most places offer a tailwheel endorsement with minimal or poor instruction and won't rent the airplane solo. Had a guy here buy a Pacer and his instructor had just gotten his tailwheel endorsement and thought he was ready to teach. You know that ended up with a busted up airplane on the first landing. There is a good market out there repairing or rebuilding Carbon Cubs as a lot of buyers don't get quality instruction. I've had three guys call me in the last few months trying to find a shop to rebuild their brand new Carbon Cubs. I've also been involved in the RV world the last 30 years and it's the same thing the tailwheel crowd sneers at the trike crowd but when it comes down to it they fly the same.

G44
08-30-2019, 12:37 PM
Honestly, I think this thing is fantastic and I hope CC sells a ton of em. Not my cup of tea but it will enable a whole lot of people go out and fly and have fun. Its not all about flying off beaches and short rough strips with big tires, that kind of flying is fun but flying off nice grass strips in a 2 seat tandem airplane with a stick in an airplane that is easy to fly could be a very attractive proposition for many. This thing could be bigger than expected or on the other hand it could be a flop.

Kurt

KevinJ
08-30-2019, 01:30 PM
“Flip Flop Flyer” hat futures appear to be trending down after the introduction of the NX.

skywagon8a
08-30-2019, 01:35 PM
“Flip Flop Flyer” hat futures appear to be trending down after the introduction of the NX.
Don't be too quick to say this. When I was working for a flight school, one of the students managed to ground loop a Cherokee.

KevinJ
08-30-2019, 01:45 PM
Don't be too quick to say this. When I was working for a flight school, one of the students managed to ground loop a Cherokee.
Darwin rearing his head I guess. Natural selection is strong among pilots

SJ
08-30-2019, 01:56 PM
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“Flip Flop Flyer” hat futures appear to be trending down after the introduction of the NX.

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skywagon8a
08-30-2019, 01:57 PM
Darwin rearing his head I guess. Natural selection is strong among pilots
As I recall his objective in learning to fly was to become an airline pilot. I never learned if he made it. :roll:

Cub Special Ed
08-30-2019, 02:07 PM
I guess if we are gonna resort to nosedraggers, we better figure out how to mount these on top. Then we can have a big flyin. Lets call it "wings at Woodstock".

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Just funnin folks.
(Ps. I want royalties if CC starts puting tents on their cubs)

wireweinie
08-30-2019, 02:08 PM
Inevitable somebody will find the limits of that third leg.

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CharlieN
08-30-2019, 02:13 PM
Don't be too quick to say this. When I was working for a flight school, one of the students managed to ground loop a Cherokee.
Was he solo or with an instructor?

skywagon8a
08-30-2019, 03:14 PM
Was he solo or with an instructor?
As I recall it was solo. And there was airplane damage.

cubdriver2
08-30-2019, 04:29 PM
Don't be too quick to say this. When I was working for a flight school, one of the students managed to ground loop a Cherokee.

Sounds like he's qualified :peeper

Glenn

mvivion
08-30-2019, 05:05 PM
Yeah, we had a kid on a solo flight get a Warrior pure-D sideways off the side of the runway at ~ 40 knots. Grass flying everywhere. I was sure that nose gear was coming off.....nope. He’d have got away with it, but left main gear hit a culvert.....and came off. I could not believe how tough those airplanes are.

MTV

txpacer
08-30-2019, 07:08 PM
I saw a solo student lose a Tomahawk on landing, stood it straight up on its nose when it hit the plowed field next to the runway. It balanced on the spinner for what seemed like an awful long time before it fell back on the mains. New prop and it was flying again in two days.

Steve Pierce
08-30-2019, 07:25 PM
We fixed a Cardinal that had a prop strike once. Have seen several Cessna and a Chorekee go off the side of the runway. I've done some dumb stuff but I always seemed to do it in style. ;)

Charlie Longley
09-22-2019, 09:35 AM
I was looking at Carbon Cubs dreaming about what to buy next. I am sorry the nose wheel just looks wrong!

Brad Damm
06-18-2020, 03:00 PM
Following up, it's been almost a year since Steve posted this thread, and the NX market survey effort is now complete. The aircraft is officially headed for certification and production. Details are on the CubCrafters website. Love it or hate it, these will start showing up at a backcountry strip near you before too long!




PRESS RELEASE - CUBCRAFTERS NOSEWHEEL XCUB HEADED FOR PRODUCTION

Public Market Survey Effort Complete

Yakima, Washington – June 18th, 2020: Following a year-long public Market Survey effort, light aircraft manufacturer CubCrafters has officially decided to certify and offer a nosewheel option for its flagship Part 23 certified aircraft, the CC-19 XCub.

“Putting a nosewheel on a modern Cub type aircraft certainly surprised some people, but the overwhelming public response has been positive, especially among the more than 300 pilots that have had the opportunity to fly the airplane during the Market Survey phase,” comments Brad Damm, CubCrafters VP of Sales & Marketing. “A nosewheel equipped XCub is a very easy airplane to fly that takes off shorter, lands shorter, and cruises faster than the tailwheel version. Once a pilot is in the airplane and experiences it, the advantages are obvious.”

“Engaging our customers in a Market Survey effort for this new nosewheel option has been hugely important,” says Patrick Horgan, President of CubCrafters. “We went into this process not entirely sure if the market wanted to accept a nosewheel-type personal adventure Cub. There is no question now; we’ve had people wanting to place deposits for this aircraft from day one. Our customers have made it very clear that they want us to build this airplane.”

The company also notes that hundreds of hours of real-world use by a variety of pilots of varying skill levels during the Market Survey phase led to many design improvements that wouldn’t otherwise have been possible in an internal-only development setting. Current and prospective customers were able to have a large influence on the final design of the nosewheel option for the aircraft.

“The added capabilities and value offered by the new nosewheel option are game-changing” continues Horgan. “The XCub is easily convertible between nosewheel and tailwheel, so you really get two airplanes in one. A fast, modern, easy-to-fly, tricycle gear aircraft and a traditional big-tire tailwheel Cub together. Both are very capable STOL aircraft designed for the backcountry missions that CubCrafters’ airplanes have always excelled at.”

With an extremely robust trailing-link nosewheel assembly and large tundra tires as an option for the mains, the nosewheel equipped XCub is capable of handling primitive landing strips and most off-airport type operations. Landing loads on the nosewheel are transmitted to the airframe by a heavy duty truss designed just for this application, and the entire nosewheel assembly itself is a bolt-on option that can be removed should the owner want to convert the airplane to a tailwheel configuration.
“This is something I’ve looked forward to for a long time,” comments Jim Richmond, CubCrafters’ Founder and CEO. “I’ve always believed that back-country flying should be open to more than just tailwheel rated pilots, and it’s exciting to see that vision now becoming a reality!”

The XCub program has achieved a number of significant milestones in its short history. After initial FAA certification in June of 2016, the XCub was the first United States General Aviation aircraft to achieve non-TSO’d avionics approval for the Garmin G3X system in 2017. In 2019, CubCrafters collaborated with Lycoming and Hartzell to offer the new light weight CC393i fuel injected 215 horsepower engine and a new high performance PathFinder 3-bladed composite propeller, for the XCub.

Badged as the “NX Cub” for aircraft leaving the Factory in the nosewheel configuration, the new tricycle gear option is available now on experimental XCubs through the company’s Builder Assist program, and CubCrafters expects to achieve FAA Part 23 certification in early 2021.



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cubscout
06-18-2020, 03:38 PM
Golly, that picture looks a LOT like a Champion 7FC "Tri-Traveler".

Thanks. cubscout

Cub junkie
06-18-2020, 05:48 PM
Like 'em or hate 'em, they'll be back ordered soon.

mam90
06-18-2020, 06:06 PM
I have a lot of off airport time in big tired 182’s, 206’s and 207’s. I would think most recreational missions will work just fine with the third wheel in the wrong, I mean different, location........ ;)

GreggB
06-18-2020, 10:37 PM
Wonder if owners switching back and forth(nose and tail) will lead to bent airplanes. I could see that going wrong a couple of ways, involving skill and ego. On the other hand it is a flying machine and I hope everyone who gets one has loads of safe fun with it.
“The XCub is easily convertible between nosewheel and tailwheel, so you really get two airplanes in one. A fast, modern, easy-to-fly, tricycle gear aircraft and a traditional big-tire tailwheel Cub together. Both are very capable STOL aircraft designed for the backcountry missions that CubCrafters’ airplanes have always excelled at.”

Steve Pierce
06-19-2020, 06:48 AM
I have a lot of off airport time in big tired 182’s, 206’s and 207’s. I would think most recreational missions will work just fine with the third wheel in the wrong, I mean different, location........ ;)

I agree, especially in Utah and Idaho. All that power will help with the high density altitudes. That nose wheel might be an issue around here.
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StuBob
06-19-2020, 12:21 PM
Some homes just need an ugly girl who can cook.

WhiskeyMike
06-19-2020, 01:26 PM
[QUOTE=Steve Pierce;776426]I agree, especially in Utah and Idaho. All that power will help with the high density altitudes. That nose wheel might be an issue around here.
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Steve, you could put a cow catcher on the nose wheel like on a train and keep the dogs safe!:puppy:

Farmboy
06-19-2020, 07:12 PM
Dogs safe? You need a cow catcher to keep the cows safe from Paco da Pilot from what I hear.


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L18C-95
06-20-2020, 01:39 AM
I was interested in the claim that the nose wheel configuration made it faster, and produced better STOL performance. I have to believe a Pacer out runs the venerable Tri-Pacer.


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dgapilot
06-20-2020, 08:49 AM
I was interested in the claim that the nose wheel configuration made it faster, and produced better STOL performance. I have to believe a Pacer out runs the venerable Tri-Pacer.


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A stock Pacer vs a stock TriPacer with the same HP, the TriPacer will get off the ground faster than the Pacer. The tri gear allows it to rotate to a higher AoA and produce sufficient lift at a slower speed.


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SJ
06-20-2020, 09:22 AM
A stock Pacer vs a stock TriPacer with the same HP, the TriPacer will get off the ground faster than the Pacer. The tri gear allows it to rotate to a higher AoA and produce sufficient lift at a slower speed.


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This might vary depending on the surface. On pavement for sure, but if the little wheel upfront was dragging in he sand?

sj


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Steve Pierce
06-20-2020, 09:41 AM
I was interested in the claim that the nose wheel configuration made it faster, and produced better STOL performance. I have to believe a Pacer out runs the venerable Tri-Pacer.


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I have flown the Launch Edition X Cub and the prototype NX Cub. I think the difference is the O-360 vs O-375 in performance. Cathy and I flew our Pacer and Tri-Pacer to Oshkosh several years ago. Same engine and prop, she was on 600x6 tires and I was on 29" Bushwheels and we went the same speed at the same rpm and burned the exact same amount of gas.

Steve Pierce
06-20-2020, 09:46 AM
This might vary depending on the surface. On pavement for sure, but if the little wheel upfront was dragging in he sand?

sj


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I learned that the hard way. 8)
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RaisedByWolves
06-20-2020, 05:45 PM
I learned that the hard way. 8)
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Yeah but did you learn yet?


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Steve Pierce
06-20-2020, 06:14 PM
I learned not to land the Tri-Pacer on the gravel bars. Have lots more to learn the hard way I am sure.

BC12D-4-85
06-20-2020, 06:40 PM
Nothing there a front wheel ski with adequate prop clearance couldn't fix.

Gary

mam90
06-21-2020, 09:27 AM
Not all nose wheels are created equal......


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