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My accountant wants to know what the average cost per hour for renting a nice 180 would be. Any ideas?
N34CF at Plus One rents for $175/hr wet. Great plane, and as Bob says... gorgeous.
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N34CF at Plus One rents for $175/hr wet. Great plane, and as Bob says... gorgeous.
We are actually not getting much activity. So far, I am the only authorized instructor. Several more want to get qualified, but we have experience requirements. Maybe I charge too much.
One of the guys suggested advertising nationally. Not sure that comports with "flying club" privileges.
I was dead set against the "five hours in a Citabria and a pattern checkout" that most folks want. We currently will not let low time tailwheel pilots solo the thing without ten hours dual in the Super Cub and 15 hours in the 180. Those are pattern hours - I assume a licensed pilot knows how to do a stall and a steep turn. And we are currently asking experienced tailwheel instructors to do five pattern hours before instructing in the thing.
It is truly a beautiful aircraft. Flies and lands dead straight. We should get Randy to post a photo here.
…...I was dead set against the "five hours in a Citabria and a pattern checkout" that most folks want. We currently will not let low time tailwheel pilots solo the thing without ten hours dual in the Super Cub and 15 hours in the 180. Those are pattern hours - I assume a licensed pilot knows how to do a stall and a steep turn. And we are currently asking experienced tailwheel instructors to do five pattern hours before instructing in the thing.…...
15 and 25 in type are becoming the norm. That is now true even if you are an experienced taildragger type. And now there are more and more airplanes out there where it is tough to find an instructor with time in type. Wacos, for instance - how many instructors are qualified in the RNF?
My new hangar neighbor has owned a C180 for a number of years, and has a lot of time in it....all on floats.
No tailwheel time at all, in anything.
About a year ago, he decided to put it on wheel gear & keep it at the airport.
His insurance told him he needed 15 (or 25?) hours of dual (and a t/w endorsement) before they'd cover him.
I was quite surprised, esp since he already knew how to fly the airplane--
my insurance required only 5 hours of dual (and a t/w endorsement) to cover me in my first taildragger (C170).
Of course, that was about 20 years ago, so I guess things have changed,
But 4 years ago, they only required "a 180 signoff by a CFI" (no minimum number of hours specified)
& a high-performance endorsement when I stepped up to a C180.
….The way I explain it is , it's the first Cessna in their line not designed and made not to hurt you.the trim can cause a stall in go around. ….The gear will throw you 10 feet in the air if you mess up a landing at which time you are rapidly running out of AS , the Trim is full nose up and the RWY/ bar is running out. Going around now is busy......
Well, I've never flown a 180 or 182, so please don't shoot me for dumb questions - - -
1. Is full nose-up trim really necessary on landing? (I'm one of those guys who never touches the trim in my -12)
2. Can't cowl flaps wait until "normal" climb-out is achieved?
3. Will the plane climb satisfactorily with full flaps at gross, (assuming trim setting is acceptable)?