sj
Staff member
Northwest Arkansas
I have received several emails containing the following email thread. I believe that folks response to this needs to be seasoned and professional. The Recreational Pilots Association has done a great job negotiating similar issues in Montana. Maybe they can provide some direction in helping respond to this in the right way.
-----Original Message-----
From: larry d. taylor <larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:49 pm
Subject: Fwd: RE: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan Errata
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:19:08 -0600, "Joe Harper" <jharper@fs.fed.us
said:
We intend to implement the Wilderness Plan consistently and not ignore
any issues that compromise the Plan and it's direction. I would hope the IAN
would assist in getting the message out to pilots that the Big Creek Four
are managed for emergencies only (per the Frank Church Management Plan)
and are classified by the IAN as "Hazardous" where use is discouraged. I
think this is where the IAN needs be consistent also in what we have
worked so hard to get.
Any non-emergency planes we stumble upon this year at either Dewey Moore,
Mile-High, Simonds and Vines, will have their tail numbers taken down
and the owners of the aircraft will be receiving a letter from us. I talked
with Suzanne about this and we agree, citations are not a good education
tool and something we don't want to pursue this first year of the Errata.
We are putting our money on the IAN and the Division of Aeronautics to
assist the FS in backcountry airstrip management, education and
enforcement.
====================
Joe Harper, District Ranger
Krassel Ranger District
Payette NF
800 West Lakeside Avenue
McCall, Idaho 83638
phone: (208) 634-0601
fax: (208) 634-0634
email: jharper@fs.fed.us
====================
"John Dethomas" <John.Dethomas@itd.idaho.gov
06/19/2009 02:21 PM
To
"Joe Harper" <jharper@fs.fed.us, "Gary McElheney"
<Gary.McElheney@itd.idaho.gov, <larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm, "Bob Martin"
<martin@ctcweb.net
cc
Subject
RE: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan
Errata
Joe,
Ater much discussion and a lengthy review of the volumes of old
files in my office?..it looks like the errata to the Frank Church Plan
regarding the Big Creek four airports is pretty much in line with minutes
from meetings in Aug 2004.
The major question in our minds is still whether the USFS
intends to cite pilots who use these fields for non-emergency landings?
Can you run this question through your lords and masters please.
R
JV DeThomas
John ("JV") DeThomas
Administrator, Division of Aeronautics
Idaho Transportation Department
3483 Rickenbacker Street
Boise, Idaho 83705
john.dethomas@itd.idaho.gov
(208) 334-8788
From: Joe Harper [mailto:jharper@fs.fed.us]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:38 PM
To: Gary McElheney; larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm; Bob Martin; John Dethomas
Subject: Fw: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness
Management
Plan Errata
Here is the Errata that came out last week on the Frank Church Plan.
Click on the "FS_correspondence doc.". Aviation is included in this Errata.
After talking with both Randy Welsh and Renee Snyder (salmon-Challis)
today, the wording in the Errata on the Big Creek Four is wording the
Division had agreed to under the Appeal Resolution for the Record of
Decision on the Plan. So maybe this wording won't be a surprise to you
as we had discussed last weekend.
Joe
====================
Joe Harper, District Ranger
Krassel Ranger District
Payette NF
800 West Lakeside Avenue
McCall, Idaho 83638
phone: (208) 634-0601
fax: (208) 634-0634
email: jharper@fs.fed.us
====================
----- Forwarded by Joe Harper/R4/USDAFS on 06/01/2009 01:27 PM -----
Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS
05/29/2009 10:17 AM
To
Alexis T Martin/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Barry Ruklic/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Bill
Blount/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Bob Lippincott/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Carol J
Moore/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Corey Buhl/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Crystal
Loesch/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dennis Crew/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Diane J
Rau/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Elizabeth W Lund/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Eric M
Hagen/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Erin Law/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Fritz
Cluff/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary L Phillips/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary R
Brown/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Guy W Pence/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Jacquie M
Parks/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Josh J Bransford/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Kenneth
Bell/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Larry Svalberg/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laura J
Barrett/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mark E Wilson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mark
Wisner/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Melissa A Sartor/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mike
Goicoechea/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Paul Sever/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Rick
Floch/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Robert S Giles/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ross W
Williams/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Sam Hescock/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Thomas C
Dzomba/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Timothy Sampson/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Willy
Acton/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave T Bull/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Liz
Close/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ralph E Rau/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Suzanne C
Rainville/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tom Reilly/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, William A
Wood/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Camille Sayer/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John J
Rose/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Larry Kingsbury/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mary H
Williams/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Steve W Lucas/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tim
Canaday/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, William G Reed/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Anthony B
Botello/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris Grove/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris
Ryan/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Darcy Pederson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave
Campbell/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Debra D Gale/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary R
Brown/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Howard W Lyman/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Jane
Cropp/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Joe B Hudson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Joe
Harper/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John Haugh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Lisa
Klinger/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Maureen J McBrien/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ralph E
Rau/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy Borniger/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy
Welsh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Russell M
Bacon/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Terry Nevius/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Trish
Callaghan/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Kent Fuellenbach/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laura A
Smith/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Nan Christianson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Clem
Pope/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laurie Matthews/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John
Haugh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Debra D Gale/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy
Borniger/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John Fantini/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES
cc
Subject
Fw: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan
Errata
Here is a copy of the Errata letter. The documents are now on the
internet
on the Salmon-Challis webpage under the Frank Church link.
Renee Snyder
Salmon-Challis National Forest
Ecosystem Staff Officer
reneesnyder@fs.fed.us
208-756-5290
208-768-7029 cell
----- Forwarded by Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS on 05/29/2009 10:11 AM -----
Mailroom R4 Salmon Challis
Sent by: Mardi J Rhodes/R4/USDAFS
05/27/2009 07:34 AM
To
Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy Welsh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris
Ryan/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES
cc
Suzanne C Rainville/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tom Reilly/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave
T Bull/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Maureen J McBrien/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Liz
Close/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES
Subject
1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan Errata
The following Correspondence is archived in the Records database. Any
enclosures will follow the letter in this message.
To open this document in the Records database, click on this link -Link
To access all documents in the National Records Database, click on this
link -Link
--
larry d. taylor
larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm
-----Original Message-----
From: larry d. taylor <larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:49 pm
Subject: Fwd: RE: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan Errata
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:19:08 -0600, "Joe Harper" <jharper@fs.fed.us
said:
We intend to implement the Wilderness Plan consistently and not ignore
any issues that compromise the Plan and it's direction. I would hope the IAN
would assist in getting the message out to pilots that the Big Creek Four
are managed for emergencies only (per the Frank Church Management Plan)
and are classified by the IAN as "Hazardous" where use is discouraged. I
think this is where the IAN needs be consistent also in what we have
worked so hard to get.
Any non-emergency planes we stumble upon this year at either Dewey Moore,
Mile-High, Simonds and Vines, will have their tail numbers taken down
and the owners of the aircraft will be receiving a letter from us. I talked
with Suzanne about this and we agree, citations are not a good education
tool and something we don't want to pursue this first year of the Errata.
We are putting our money on the IAN and the Division of Aeronautics to
assist the FS in backcountry airstrip management, education and
enforcement.
====================
Joe Harper, District Ranger
Krassel Ranger District
Payette NF
800 West Lakeside Avenue
McCall, Idaho 83638
phone: (208) 634-0601
fax: (208) 634-0634
email: jharper@fs.fed.us
====================
"John Dethomas" <John.Dethomas@itd.idaho.gov
06/19/2009 02:21 PM
To
"Joe Harper" <jharper@fs.fed.us, "Gary McElheney"
<Gary.McElheney@itd.idaho.gov, <larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm, "Bob Martin"
<martin@ctcweb.net
cc
Subject
RE: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan
Errata
Joe,
Ater much discussion and a lengthy review of the volumes of old
files in my office?..it looks like the errata to the Frank Church Plan
regarding the Big Creek four airports is pretty much in line with minutes
from meetings in Aug 2004.
The major question in our minds is still whether the USFS
intends to cite pilots who use these fields for non-emergency landings?
Can you run this question through your lords and masters please.
R
JV DeThomas
John ("JV") DeThomas
Administrator, Division of Aeronautics
Idaho Transportation Department
3483 Rickenbacker Street
Boise, Idaho 83705
john.dethomas@itd.idaho.gov
(208) 334-8788
From: Joe Harper [mailto:jharper@fs.fed.us]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:38 PM
To: Gary McElheney; larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm; Bob Martin; John Dethomas
Subject: Fw: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness
Management
Plan Errata
Here is the Errata that came out last week on the Frank Church Plan.
Click on the "FS_correspondence doc.". Aviation is included in this Errata.
After talking with both Randy Welsh and Renee Snyder (salmon-Challis)
today, the wording in the Errata on the Big Creek Four is wording the
Division had agreed to under the Appeal Resolution for the Record of
Decision on the Plan. So maybe this wording won't be a surprise to you
as we had discussed last weekend.
Joe
====================
Joe Harper, District Ranger
Krassel Ranger District
Payette NF
800 West Lakeside Avenue
McCall, Idaho 83638
phone: (208) 634-0601
fax: (208) 634-0634
email: jharper@fs.fed.us
====================
----- Forwarded by Joe Harper/R4/USDAFS on 06/01/2009 01:27 PM -----
Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS
05/29/2009 10:17 AM
To
Alexis T Martin/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Barry Ruklic/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Bill
Blount/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Bob Lippincott/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Carol J
Moore/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Corey Buhl/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Crystal
Loesch/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dennis Crew/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Diane J
Rau/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Elizabeth W Lund/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Eric M
Hagen/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Erin Law/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Fritz
Cluff/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary L Phillips/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary R
Brown/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Guy W Pence/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Jacquie M
Parks/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Josh J Bransford/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Kenneth
Bell/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Larry Svalberg/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laura J
Barrett/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mark E Wilson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mark
Wisner/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Melissa A Sartor/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mike
Goicoechea/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Paul Sever/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Rick
Floch/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Robert S Giles/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ross W
Williams/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Sam Hescock/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Thomas C
Dzomba/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Timothy Sampson/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Willy
Acton/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave T Bull/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Liz
Close/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ralph E Rau/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Suzanne C
Rainville/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tom Reilly/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, William A
Wood/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Camille Sayer/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John J
Rose/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Larry Kingsbury/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Mary H
Williams/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Steve W Lucas/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tim
Canaday/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, William G Reed/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Anthony B
Botello/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris Grove/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris
Ryan/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Darcy Pederson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave
Campbell/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Debra D Gale/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Gary R
Brown/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Howard W Lyman/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Jane
Cropp/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Joe B Hudson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Joe
Harper/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John Haugh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Lisa
Klinger/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Maureen J McBrien/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ralph E
Rau/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy Borniger/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy
Welsh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Russell M
Bacon/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Terry Nevius/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Trish
Callaghan/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Kent Fuellenbach/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laura A
Smith/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Nan Christianson/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Clem
Pope/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Laurie Matthews/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John
Haugh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Debra D Gale/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy
Borniger/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, John Fantini/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES
cc
Subject
Fw: 1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan
Errata
Here is a copy of the Errata letter. The documents are now on the
internet
on the Salmon-Challis webpage under the Frank Church link.
Renee Snyder
Salmon-Challis National Forest
Ecosystem Staff Officer
reneesnyder@fs.fed.us
208-756-5290
208-768-7029 cell
----- Forwarded by Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS on 05/29/2009 10:11 AM -----
Mailroom R4 Salmon Challis
Sent by: Mardi J Rhodes/R4/USDAFS
05/27/2009 07:34 AM
To
Renee Snyder/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Randy Welsh/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Chris
Ryan/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES
cc
Suzanne C Rainville/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Tom Reilly/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Dave
T Bull/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Maureen J McBrien/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Liz
Close/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES
Subject
1570-1; Frank-Church River of No Return Wilderness Management Plan Errata
The following Correspondence is archived in the Records database. Any
enclosures will follow the letter in this message.
To open this document in the Records database, click on this link -Link
To access all documents in the National Records Database, click on this
link -Link
--
larry d. taylor
larrydtaylor@fastmail.fm