sj
Staff member
More Wolf Control in AK
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What is the real issue...I like wolves and enjoy seeing them...and I also see their damage...I have some friends who participated in the wolf control program as well. I feel we hire people to do jobs...for example teachers teach...bankers run banks...my point is Alaska spends a lot of money on science based research...i.e. biologists...game managers...let Alaska take care of its Fish and Game...Additionally, isn't airborn preditor hunting still allowed in some states...including shoot from the plane...I believe SD, Wy, Mont are a few...with the appropriate permits of coarse... Food for thought.
AlaskaAV
GONE WEST
Mission, TX
Do I dare get started on this subject? Oh, what the heck.
If you lived in those 3 or so selected bush areas which are really very small in acreage and you lived off the land as most local people do in the bush of Alaska do, it is great to see the wolf control program being used. Not all wolves are being taken of course, just enough to keep the moose and caribou population at a normal level. A limit is set and when the set limit has been reached, the program is shut down. The wolf will come in, kill it's pry, eat part of it and take off to kill another animal while just leaving the rest of the first animal just laying there as it will with the second animal.
Just remember guys, if this control program was not initiated, very soon there would be no moose and caribou hunting allowed for anyone in those areas at all until the numbers come back again. So what would be best, control the wolf population in those areas now or stop all game animal hunting in the same areas later? I have lived in the bush some 19 years, 17 north of the Arctic Circle, and have watched this thinning program go on from year to year usualy self enforced at that time. I am not a hunter myself other than killing some injured or sick caribou from time to time. I will not shoot a wild game animal unless I need the meat. Tin cans are just as much fun. We had lots of wolves at Dahl Creek but they were not out of control and were fun to watch when packed up. When you run into a pack of say 5 to 15, it does get a little nerve racking at the time and out comes the 30.06 and.357 until I would pass them. All they would do is stand there and watch me.
If you lived in those 3 or so selected bush areas which are really very small in acreage and you lived off the land as most local people do in the bush of Alaska do, it is great to see the wolf control program being used. Not all wolves are being taken of course, just enough to keep the moose and caribou population at a normal level. A limit is set and when the set limit has been reached, the program is shut down. The wolf will come in, kill it's pry, eat part of it and take off to kill another animal while just leaving the rest of the first animal just laying there as it will with the second animal.
Just remember guys, if this control program was not initiated, very soon there would be no moose and caribou hunting allowed for anyone in those areas at all until the numbers come back again. So what would be best, control the wolf population in those areas now or stop all game animal hunting in the same areas later? I have lived in the bush some 19 years, 17 north of the Arctic Circle, and have watched this thinning program go on from year to year usualy self enforced at that time. I am not a hunter myself other than killing some injured or sick caribou from time to time. I will not shoot a wild game animal unless I need the meat. Tin cans are just as much fun. We had lots of wolves at Dahl Creek but they were not out of control and were fun to watch when packed up. When you run into a pack of say 5 to 15, it does get a little nerve racking at the time and out comes the 30.06 and.357 until I would pass them. All they would do is stand there and watch me.
sj
Staff member
Northwest Arkansas
There was a great show on grizzly bears on PBS the other night that really showed both sides of the picture. It started out with a park ranger from Yellowstone who said, "The idea of protecting grizzly bears seems really great if you live in Florida"
If wolves were eating my livelyhood, we would have to have a chat.
sj
If wolves were eating my livelyhood, we would have to have a chat.
sj
AlaskaAV
GONE WEST
Mission, TX
In a way it is kind of like opening up ANWR on the North Slope of Alaska.
All the oil companies want is some 2000 acres right along the coast of the Arctic Ocean where there is nothing. On TV, all you see are the mountains and animals but that is a hundred miles south of the area that the oil companies want to lease. Where they want to drill is flat and 75 percent water and ice covered. The pipes would run parallel to the coast more or less and keeping in mind the caribou migrate east and west, any pipelines would not bother the animals.
There the oil companies sit today with a pipeline capable of flowing 2 million barrels of oil per day but only pushing 1 million bbls today. Just think how much less we would be paying for gas if the oil companies could increase the flow by 1 million bbls per day instead of importing the crude.
Having lived in those areas for so long, I have seen how the media and special interest groups can get involved with no regard to how it effects local people. Guess it is time I wrote a story about how all of that happens in the bush of Alaska. A person has to actually live there to see the whole picture.
All the oil companies want is some 2000 acres right along the coast of the Arctic Ocean where there is nothing. On TV, all you see are the mountains and animals but that is a hundred miles south of the area that the oil companies want to lease. Where they want to drill is flat and 75 percent water and ice covered. The pipes would run parallel to the coast more or less and keeping in mind the caribou migrate east and west, any pipelines would not bother the animals.
There the oil companies sit today with a pipeline capable of flowing 2 million barrels of oil per day but only pushing 1 million bbls today. Just think how much less we would be paying for gas if the oil companies could increase the flow by 1 million bbls per day instead of importing the crude.
Having lived in those areas for so long, I have seen how the media and special interest groups can get involved with no regard to how it effects local people. Guess it is time I wrote a story about how all of that happens in the bush of Alaska. A person has to actually live there to see the whole picture.
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StewartB
Hey RB....did you get your permit to play???
SB
SB
At the risk of being shot for giving my two cents worth. We don't have to see the whole picture. It should be left up to the locals on how to manage their resources. Whether it is oil or wildlife. Some tree hugger in California, a politician in Washington or myself may have opinions but only the locals know for sure what is right for them.
AlaskaAV said:
AlaskaAV
GONE WEST
Mission, TX
old doc said:
Tell you what Doc, I will stand in front of you should we have to stand in front of a firing squad for what you said. Sure wish you were in government but that might not be passable because you seem to have some good ideas.
What so many people do not understand is the size of Alaska and when talking about one minute area, it does not really change anything.
Keep in mind Doc that some 90% of Alaska is still owned by the US government, not the state therefore it is very hard for Alaska to get things done the way the state needs it done.
Luke_theDrifter
Registered User
Dillingham, Alaska
wolves
Keep in mind that the new term "wolf control" has limited our game managers. We used to "shoot" wolves as a method & means as outlined in the regulation book.
Now its known as "wolf control"...used to be "hunting". And the HUNTING methods included such means as; shooting them from the plane, or landing and then shooting them, or harvesting Wolves under ANY legal hunting method.
Tony Knowles and other liberal politican's had a strong hand in trying thier best to practice game managment with total disregard to biological data.
Good Flying, and good luck to all WOLF HUNTERS!
....>Byron
Keep in mind that the new term "wolf control" has limited our game managers. We used to "shoot" wolves as a method & means as outlined in the regulation book.
Now its known as "wolf control"...used to be "hunting". And the HUNTING methods included such means as; shooting them from the plane, or landing and then shooting them, or harvesting Wolves under ANY legal hunting method.
Tony Knowles and other liberal politican's had a strong hand in trying thier best to practice game managment with total disregard to biological data.
Good Flying, and good luck to all WOLF HUNTERS!
....>Byron
ground loop
Registered User
Anchorage
Most people who read these articles have no conception of how difficult and dangerous wolf hunting with aircraft is. It is at the same as or higher difficulty and danger level as beach landing! The few gifted wolf hunters who are able to do it with any efficiency have a skill level akin with a Peyton Manning
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StewartB
Thw "wolf control" rules facilitate aerial hunting by pilot/gunner teams by permit only. Wolf hunting by conventional means remains open to Alaska residents with a valid hunting license.
SB
SB
Taken from a SD web site...They are thinking of expanding hunts in SD...when I was a kid growing up in the Rapid City area...west river was pretty full of coyotes... as a kid didn't have an airplane...just an ol 72 ford...
Now that I live in Alaska I still see the need for control... Any reports yet...I know one guy who has already had success... Last year he had well over 75...some of his photo's were amazing...He is truley an amazing pilot...one of the best I'm sure...and one who inspired me to begin flying...
Christina Young
Registered User
Andover-Aeroflex, 12N
ground loop said:
FYI, Leroy Shebal has a very good depiction of the dangers and difficulty of doing this in his film "My Alaska"......
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bearsnack
No, Luke. Tony Knowles just flat out sold out to special interest groups on our predator control programs.
Pilot Skills and Wolf Hunting
Hi everybody,
I am fairly new to this forum but I really enjoy it.
I live in Eagle River Alaska and have a 160hp 55 year
old cub. (It is in great shape too) My point for this
reply is that wolf/coyote hunting by land and shoot
is not for the faint hearted, it is the most difficult and
plane bending activity you can do. It will challenge
any pilot I know. I learned how to fly from a great instructor
who has been one of my best friends for 15 years now.
He gets mad when I say this but he got me my license, my
other friend who taught me how to hunt with a cub actually
taught me how to "fly". We did this hunting wolves and coyotes.
You have to use just about every flight skill you have to
be successful and not wreck. It is as much fun as a person
can have with their clothes on that I know. On the other hand,
people that say that it is just a slaughter and unfair should try
it without the years of training and practice that it takes
to be successful and safe. The animals usually win if you are safe
and follow the rules (law that is)
Tundracub
Hi everybody,
I am fairly new to this forum but I really enjoy it.
I live in Eagle River Alaska and have a 160hp 55 year
old cub. (It is in great shape too) My point for this
reply is that wolf/coyote hunting by land and shoot
is not for the faint hearted, it is the most difficult and
plane bending activity you can do. It will challenge
any pilot I know. I learned how to fly from a great instructor
who has been one of my best friends for 15 years now.
He gets mad when I say this but he got me my license, my
other friend who taught me how to hunt with a cub actually
taught me how to "fly". We did this hunting wolves and coyotes.
You have to use just about every flight skill you have to
be successful and not wreck. It is as much fun as a person
can have with their clothes on that I know. On the other hand,
people that say that it is just a slaughter and unfair should try
it without the years of training and practice that it takes
to be successful and safe. The animals usually win if you are safe
and follow the rules (law that is)
Tundracub
bushmaster
GONE WEST
GLENBURN,ME
Do I understand it correctly that you are required to land then get into shooting range then shoot a wolf? That you located from the air then find a landing spot and then find the wolf or wolfves. Sounds damn hard to me and fun but animals would win most of the time. You cant shoot from the air is that correct or did I miss understand? I know you have open country-been there but sounds tough. In Maine we see coyotes on lakes in winter but hard to catch with snowmobile even let alone land close enough to shoot after getting out. They would be mile away
Nationwide, government planes or planes piloted by subcontractors shoot more than 30,000 coyotes each year to protect livestock and wildlife such as elk fauns and sagehen chicks. In Nevada, the federal Wildlife Services division based in Reno oversaw the aerial shootings of 4,329 coyotes last year.
Through the program, Wildlife Services uses low-flying aircraft to kill predators on public and private lands in 17 Western and Midwestern states. Most of the shootings are the result of ranchers? requests for protection against coyote damage to their herds or flocks.
FOOD for THOUGHT...
Through the program, Wildlife Services uses low-flying aircraft to kill predators on public and private lands in 17 Western and Midwestern states. Most of the shootings are the result of ranchers? requests for protection against coyote damage to their herds or flocks.
FOOD for THOUGHT...
aktango58
FRIEND
18AA
Can we invite PETA, world wildlife fund, greenpecke-s, (oops) :lol: and the rest of them to join us on a flight to these wolf control areas.
Maybe a few days being one with nature, (forget where we left them) will change their minds in the subzero. Thoes that actually get back will deserve some respect. The rest, no great loss.
Maybe a few days being one with nature, (forget where we left them) will change their minds in the subzero. Thoes that actually get back will deserve some respect. The rest, no great loss.
bushmaster said:
Its really easy if you find loopholes. When it was legal to sameday airborne hunt wolfves all we did was have someone in the back of the plane so they can jump out and the pilot takes off. The law was that you had to be 100 yrads from the aircraft before you can shoot.... You have to lift the tail fast though because it will hit your gunner.
bushmaster
GONE WEST
GLENBURN,ME
sounds exciting for pilot and gunner. Do you land on tundra or lakes. Dont wolfes take off to beat hell!!! Sounds hard on planes as well.
Dave Calkins
Registered User
Anchorage, Alaska
We've hashed over some of this in times past.
Search for "wolf control" on this site and you'll get some other info. and rants.
If you have interest in educating yourself a bit, check out this site... http://www.wolftruth.us
I had viewed the site last year then happened to go to an evening meeting that had to do with wolf info. at the local university .
It was so cool to have the professional wolf-specialist game biologist independently confirm the statements made on WolfTruth. The greenies who attended were SQUIRMING!!!!! YES!! They wanted so badly to disagree with the professional researcher and get their personal agenda aired.
Truth is definitely more interesting than fiction.
Search for "wolf control" on this site and you'll get some other info. and rants.
If you have interest in educating yourself a bit, check out this site... http://www.wolftruth.us
I had viewed the site last year then happened to go to an evening meeting that had to do with wolf info. at the local university .
It was so cool to have the professional wolf-specialist game biologist independently confirm the statements made on WolfTruth. The greenies who attended were SQUIRMING!!!!! YES!! They wanted so badly to disagree with the professional researcher and get their personal agenda aired.
Truth is definitely more interesting than fiction.
Dave Calkins
Registered User
Anchorage, Alaska
I just checked the link and it's not presently working.
Hopefully it will be up again.
If you go there, you will learn that we have been very much LIED to with many false statements about wolf behavior......eating only the sick, breeding of only the "alpha" pair, paucity of attacks by wolves on humans, etc.
Hopefully it will be up again.
If you go there, you will learn that we have been very much LIED to with many false statements about wolf behavior......eating only the sick, breeding of only the "alpha" pair, paucity of attacks by wolves on humans, etc.
you damn alaskan wolf killers, you gotem all stirred up. Keep it up is all I can say........this is from another forum.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID5/5531.html
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http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID5/5531.html
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Nocub
More Wolf Control in Ak
I presume that most wolf control is done from the aircraft itself, in flight. What sort of sucess is involved i.e. how many hours or days?? of flying is involved to shoot, retrieve the average wolf?
Can they be "driven" from light to moderate cover into the open, i.e. lakes or rivers (frozen presumably) in order to kill and retrieve?
How much is the bounty for the paid state controll pilots, or is this a salary proposition?
Can you get multiple kills (er politically correct "harvest") from one pack?
I would imagine some inexperienced pilots getting into real stall, spin accidents quick given the circumstances of such flying-hunting.
I presume that most wolf control is done from the aircraft itself, in flight. What sort of sucess is involved i.e. how many hours or days?? of flying is involved to shoot, retrieve the average wolf?
Can they be "driven" from light to moderate cover into the open, i.e. lakes or rivers (frozen presumably) in order to kill and retrieve?
How much is the bounty for the paid state controll pilots, or is this a salary proposition?
Can you get multiple kills (er politically correct "harvest") from one pack?
I would imagine some inexperienced pilots getting into real stall, spin accidents quick given the circumstances of such flying-hunting.
