Seeing Double

Randy · Jan 8, 2003

I found this in "Aerofiles"
This is a pic of a PA-11 and a J-3 joined together.
Later on he joined up two PA-18

Click Link Below For the BIG Picture
http://www.supercub.org/albums/Supercubs/bbo.jpg

Randy · Jan 8, 2003

Seeing double II
This is a "TWIN" tripacer
Also a WAGNER design.

Click Link Below For the BIG Picture
http://www.supercub.org/albums/Supercubs/bbn.jpg

supercub · Jan 8, 2003

The horsepower on the J-3 was different then the PA-11 too. I think they were 65hp and 85hp. I never knew they did the same thing with super cubs.........would enjoy seeing a pic of them, if anyone has one.
Brian

Steve Pierce · Jan 9, 2003

This guy had way to much time on his hands.

JimC · Jan 9, 2003

If I remember correctly, performance was really crappy. Wing loading and power loading were increased substantially.

T.J. · Jan 9, 2003

delete

sj · Jan 9, 2003

Too much time with Adobe Photoshop...

JimC · Jan 9, 2003

All three of these planes were in Popular Mechanics years ago. Way before PhotoShop was developed.

sj · Jan 9, 2003

Ok, so they used old fashion photo retouching. If you look at the tri-pacer for example, don't you thing prop number two would be striking the prop shaft of prop number 1 and vice versa? Looks like it to me!

sj

FlipFlop · Jan 9, 2003

steve said:
Ok, so they used old fashion photo retouching. If you look at the tri-pacer for example, don't you thing prop number two would be striking the prop shaft of prop number 1 and vice versa? Looks like it to me!

sj

Steve...

Wagner offset the engines to prevent interference... One engine was inches ahead of the other... It may have kept the props from tangling with each other, but it created extreme disturbed air in the overlap area...

I don't think Wagner was involved with it, but there also was a trimotored Colt... Nose engine and one on each wing...

Now, will someone please buy my Cuby, I'm in deep do-do at home!...

M1 · Jan 9, 2003

way too much spare time

Clay Hammond · Jan 10, 2003

I think there is some info at www.shortwing.org on the Twin Pacer. At any rate one of the club members could certainly get the info if anyone wanted it.

sj · Jan 10, 2003

This rarely seen picture depicts the tri-motor cub as it is about to depart. Note the perfectly synchronized propellers.

sj

cubdrvr · Jan 10, 2003

I've flown one of those before..........only problem is the necessity to air refuel every 45 minutes.

cnagpilot · Jan 10, 2003

I flew one once too, A lot of P-factor.

Dave Calkins · Jan 10, 2003

Steve, A fine example. How long did that take? like 49 seconds?

I saw photos years ago of some of these creations. Peter Bower's book has a few.

Dave Calkins.

supercubc37 · Jan 10, 2003

OK SJ quit hacking my airplane a part. I'll have nightmares that I'll go out to the hanger and that's what it will look like. (JK)

Matt

Steve Pierce · Jan 10, 2003

Matt, You can take the two extra engines off and use them for the Murphy, Yea, a twin Rebel.

SuperCub MD · Jan 10, 2003

Cub Clues #105 has a article on the twin J4 (experimental). Looks a lot like the twin Champ, which I've seen fly. It was certified and factory built as a cheap twin trainer. Not such a hot performer, I understand, but a few were sold.

sj · Jan 10, 2003

There is also a twin citabria, called the Lancer. A citabria owner friend of mine wants one:

sj · Jan 10, 2003

Matt, I thought it was an upgrade. Actually, I was planning to be more elaborate, but I only had about five minutes...

sj

cruiser · Jan 10, 2003

There was a Lancer for sale on E-bay a few weeks ago. I believe it was a mid '50's airplane, as I recall. Starting price was about $30,000 or so. Jim

sj · Jan 10, 2003

What I did not add is that although he wants one, he is smart enough not to purchase one...

FlipFlop · Jan 10, 2003

steve said:
What I did not add is that although he wants one, he is smart enough not to purchase one...

Wise man...

Two O-200s with fixed pitch does not a macho Chump make...

There was one at Arlington, WA, with the N#s cut out of the fabric... Rumored that the owner cut out the numbers and removed the data plate to beat the tax man...

SuperCub MD · Jan 10, 2003

Lancer, yeah, that's it, (I mistakenly called it a twin Champ). There was one flying around here. I think it even had a fake gear handle for training. Citabria, Lancer, two motors, one motor, a Chump is still a Chump.

sj · Jan 10, 2003

At last count there were something like 3 of these still flying...

Natural selection, I suspect...

sj

Dave Calkins · Jan 10, 2003

I like Champs and Citabria's.

Dave Calkins.

sj · Jan 11, 2003

I do too! I am going to fly a citabria this morning and the heater works MUCH better than in the cub.

cubdrvr · Jan 11, 2003

I've often wondered how the rear seat heat is when you're in a cub in Canada in the winter.

sj · Jan 11, 2003

Nothing 12 layers of clothing won't handle...

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