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    One Sharp Looking Airplane

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    That door is really making me jealous... But I wonder why they did not went with bigger flaps?? Weight reduction??

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    my first thought was, New Version, of the stretched pacer. but with a supercub being its cousin instead of a pacer.
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    Certificated 4-place. The lightest one yet, from what I've heard.
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    Appears to have the Airframes Alaska/Keller flaps, so no need for bigger ones.
    Nice paint scheme, real beauty.
    Ultima airplane, Paul Claus Sr. was my high school chemistry teacher.
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    Thanks Doug, I had the chance to spend 4 days with Paul Claus this past week. This is a certified four place cub that Airframes teamed up with Kirk Ellis to build for Paul. It is the lightest one Kirk has made so far. We are in the process of building another one for Oshkosh this year. It is an amazing performer! I think I see one in my future!










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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    Certificated 4-place. The lightest one yet, from what I've heard.
    Weight?

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    motor?

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    It's a shame everyone can't see the inside of this airplane. Simple and concise construction. Nothing just along for the ride. I think that's what kept it light. Of course my favorite part is the panel

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    motor?
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    Looks like one stick and two throttle/mixture controls?

    I was thinking of something like that on my 2+2 project. I like the simplicity of it.
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    One set of controls for left side only. As per customer's request. Single stick in the center, between the front seats. Mixture is the red, push button cable on the far left of the panel. The throttle is the ball type cable right above the mixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wireweinie View Post
    One set of controls for left side only. As per customer's request. Single stick in the center, between the front seats. Mixture is the red, push button cable on the far left of the panel. The throttle is the ball type cable right above the mixture.

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    OK. In the cockpit photo I thought I saw a black knob over the red one on the right side too, and a prop control off to the right as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasimmons View Post
    Weight?
    1249 with an 0-360. And as Wireweinie said, it was constructed with a purpose and kept light. That being said, I think there is still plenty of room to trim some weight. Kirk thinks we can get one down to 1200.
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    There is one set of controls, pedals and throttle. The black knob above the mixture and beside the throttle is carb heat, the black knob on the other side is the oil cooler vane, and the blue knob above that is the cabin heat. The blue knob all the way to the right is the windshield heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanaBNACub View Post
    Kirk thinks we can get one down to 1200.
    I agree. From what I saw, I think that's doable. But the owner will need to understand that to get down to a lower weight, NOTHING is installed that is not absolutely necessary for safe operation. You can't have cool/nice/comfy if you want it as light as possible.

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    1249 is damn good considering that’s the norm for 180hp cubs. How much heavier is the fuse? Impressive with the double slotted flaps metal borer and 35’s. Let’s see the interior!


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    The fuselage is about 40lbs heavier than our standard cub. The interior is fairly plane. I am not sure I have any shots of it, but I do have some video that I am going to be putting together that will show it some. Two nice seats up front with a ton of cargo room. Wood floors and powdercoated metal side panels.

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    Carbon fiber floors and side panels will net about 7-8 lbs. at least. Carbon fiber nosebowl, etc.
    Nice 4 place cub for sure.
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    That 4-place Cub was built to work. With that in mind it's pretty damn impressive.

    Personally I like the 3-place airframe better, but it isn't approved. For a private guy an exp 3-place would be the cat's meow. If I was back at the starting line a 3-place would be stiff competition for the Rev. No regrets, just another example of how the Cub world is changing quickly.
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    is this using regular 18 wings or are they longer? from the bottom picture looks like a regular 16 rib wing, with 18 gallon tanks.
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    The big long Keller flaps are experimental only. This is a certified cub, you could go with a Dakota big flap wing but they tend to be heavy. If you look around you will see some certified cubs that have a square wing with big flaps that happened back in the day with a field approval. That door would be the great trying to get older passengers in and out the back of a cub!!
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    Beautiful!!!

    How much did it cost the owner to build?
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    These wings are stock PA-18 for the certified version and 18 gal tanks. All per Paul's request. This cub will run $350k
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    What are the three silver discs on the silver stripe aft of the cabin door?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanaBNACub View Post
    This cub will run $350k
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    or you can buy the frame for 19 and go from there.http://www.airframesalaska.com/PA-18...-p/af-184p.htm
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    Paul Roderick of Talkeetna Air has a very similar cub. Think it's experimentl but is very capable of anything you'd want to do with a plane. Awesome performer. Also a 4 place.
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    I keep coming back to those pictures. I love the extended skylight--I can't tell, but it looks almost like a swept-down flat back until coming to the turtle back supports. I wonder if there is some aerodynamic effect there.

    The modification to the gear cabane looks stout, too.

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    BD Maule came up with an aircraft with a very similar mission and performance 45 years ago, though not nearly as “sharp” looking. One can be picked up today for well under 80k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skukum12 View Post
    What are the three silver discs on the silver stripe aft of the cabin door?
    Those are where a client of Paul's left his seatbelt hanging out of the door and it beat the side of the plane before Paul could land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanaBNACub View Post
    Those are where a client of Paul's left his seatbelt hanging out of the door and it beat the side of the plane before Paul could land.
    Always make sure the big latch is installed on the left side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WanaBNACub View Post
    Those are where a client of Paul's left his seatbelt hanging out of the door and it beat the side of the plane before Paul could land.
    Hmmm. If no shoulder harness is installed for back seats then just make left belt with latch long and right side too short to fit outside door... hmmm


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    Looks like the Sullivan wing STC, squared off with the 4 hinge, longer ailerons and stock length flaps like SJ's Super Cub.

    Denny, is the squared Dakota wing with the standard aileron, longer flap heavier than the squared Sullivan wing with stock flap and longer aileron all things the same like brand of ribs?
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    If all the parts are the same the weight would be the same. But, are you talking new spars or splicing the old, Dakota cub leading edge or stock, How big is the last rib bay, Dakota, Sullivan or other tip, and what are you using for a end rib, ect, ect. If you paid attention you can save some weight. I think the Dakota square wing with the longer Dakota flaps or the new stock length Keller flaps will make up for any added weight, especially in no or low wind performance. Several years back I tried to get a set of Dakota Square wings with the big flap for my cub, but they would only sell it assembled and shipping just added too much to the price. I ended up buying a old set of Polar bear hunter wings (squared, no extended aileron, dual stock tanks) they are still in my hanger waiting for upgrades. I should of just bit the bullet and got the Dakota wings.
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    The dakota ribs are heavier than most of the other ribs, so they are definitely heavier. The long flaps are nice though!

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    Dakota’s extended wing has its spars beefed up by the lift strut attach point so that would add weight but if you extend stock spars you add a doublers so it’s probably a wash

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    From my experience Dakota is heavier than stock and Univair is heavier than Dakota.
    Piper butt rib 9.7 ounces
    Univair butt rib 14.0 ounces
    Piper outboard tip bow rib 5.5 ounces
    Univair tip bow rib 10.8 ounces



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    I made a new post with wing rib weights so we wouldn't drift away from this fine looking machine because it deserves its own thread.
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    One of these four place cubs has been a dream plane of mine ever since I got a ride in the original. At the $350k I think it will stay a dream!
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