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    Goodyear Airwheel. Been around a long time. No approvals that I’m aware of, which is huge difference from Bushwheels. Oh yeah, and tubes, of course.

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    The Antique Tire and Rubber Company used to make larger tundra tires too and preceded the Airstreak line I believe. They became famous for flat tires if left lonely on the ramp.

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    The first ones were off produce carts. Guy salmon?? Sold them from the gas station at corner of debar and boniface I was told. Any one have better spelling of his last name or
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    Guy Selman He used to sell his tires out of his j- 3 cub up north here in the eighties

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    The Antique Tire and Rubber Company used to make larger tundra tires too and preceded the Airstreak line I believe. They became famous for flat tires if left lonely on the ramp.

    Gary
    Antique Tire and Rubber were the producers of Airstreak. Were field approved.

    Someone bought it, and changed the name to Bushwheels and promised to get them approved as about that time the FAA decided they needed an STC for safety.

    After sales went down because the promised STC never happened, a gentleman from Oregon bought them out, got them approved, and made them the best tire going!
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    ........Someone bought it, and changed the name to Bushwheels and promised to get them approved as about that time the FAA decided they needed an STC for safety. After sales went down because the promised STC never happened, a gentleman from Oregon bought them out, got them approved, and made them the best tire going!
    There was a good article in an issue of the old Northern Pilot magazine,
    about the time Bill Duncan bought Bushwheels & mioved the operation to Joseph OR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    Antique Tire and Rubber were the producers of Airstreak. Were field approved.

    Someone bought it, and changed the name to Bushwheels and promised to get them approved as about that time the FAA decided they needed an STC for safety.

    After sales went down because the promised STC never happened, a gentleman from Oregon bought them out, got them approved, and made them the best tire going!
    Actually, sales never dropped, the waiting list sometimes reached over four months depending on the time of year an order was placed. As to STC, given some time the tires of course would have been approved. The sale of the company had nothing at all to do with STC approval.
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    If you want the early history about ABW brand? Skukum knows better than anyone.
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    skukum12's dad didn't get the STC for lack of effort.... I remember the red pickup truck he modified the back of to do the tests racing up and down the runway.... he had to do 70 mph touchdowns/spinups!!!

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    Still have the truck, still have the testing device. Took the truck duck hunting on opening day. As to the device, a tree blew over and landed on it thus saving dad's 180 from getting one of it's horizontals amputated.
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    who is james p, found this quote??? The story of James P getting into the tire business is representative of why anybody can be a success in America.

    I believe it all started when old man Guy Selman kicked the bucket in the late 80's or early 90's. Well, obviously there was a fat hole in the market for a quality and functional tundra tire. JP used to be the Ak sales rep for the Streaks. After selling untold numbers of new Streaks with cracks in them, and seeing what people were willing to give for them, the capitalist in him was awakened.

    Being a businessman and a pilot, he combined these two pursuits and set out to produce a superior product. Every part of the Bushwheel would be new, functional, and if at all possible, good looking. (no blankety blank cracks either.) And it didn't hurt that they were made in Alaska as well.

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    Jim P is Skukum’s dad.
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    skukum 12 is it possible just to see a picture of the testing device, would be cool to see a little history.

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    tempdoug is on the right track. I remember being a kid and dad would take me down to Alaska Airlines cargo to pick up a load of new Airstreaks. I asked why the new tires were already cracked but dad wasn't sure as he only sold tires at this point. I always assumed sucking all the air out of them so they looked like sombreros had something to do with it.

    I will take a pic of the testing device when I can
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    Quote Originally Posted by skukum12 View Post
    ...new Airstreaks. I asked why the new tires were already cracked but dad wasn't sure as he only sold tires at this point.
    Is it possible that they were really old never used military surplus which had been originally intended for another use? Those were just age cracks?
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    not for sure, but it sounded like they got really hot during production and let them cool down to almost room temp and then doing the heat again to add more and this didnt work quite right and made layers that cracked???

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    Once again, tempdoug is on the right track with his information. It boils down to not quite knowing how to cook a tire correctly.

    tempdoug, VERY few folks know what you do. If you don't mind the question, where did you get your information? Just curious, I always enjoy the backstory.
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    HA!! lets deal. you get us a calendar quality photo for Johnsons calendar, and it makes the calendar,the birth of the bush wheels machine, and i share my source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    ………...JP used to be the Ak sales rep for the Streaks. After selling untold numbers of new Streaks with cracks in them, and seeing what people were willing to give for them, the capitalist in him was awakened......
    That 2000 Northern Pilot article about Bushwheels says that Antique Tire and Rubber Company
    used a "nonservicable core tire scabbed to new rubber" for their 4" "multipurpose tires" and later Airstreaks.
    Jim Pazsint's Bushwheels were different in that they were all new, built from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    That 2000 Northern Pilot article about Bushwheels says that Antique Tire and Rubber Company
    used a "nonservicable core tire scabbed to new rubber" for their 4" "multipurpose tires" and later Airstreaks.
    Jim Pazsint's Bushwheels were different in that they were all new, built from scratch.
    Exactly...you could have ended up with a 6" core from a 152 that had seen 20k landings before it became an Airstreak. Scary stuff especially if you were betting your 185 on this construction method.

    I have been seeing original Airstreaks here and there lately that are absolutely without cracks and look beautiful. Perhaps there was a mathematical correlation between cooking the tires and beer intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    That 2000 Northern Pilot article about Bushwheels says that Antique Tire and Rubber Company
    used a "nonservicable core tire scabbed to new rubber" for their 4" "multipurpose tires" and later Airstreaks.
    Jim Pazsint's Bushwheels were different in that they were all new, built from scratch.
    could you post a copy of that article??

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    Double post
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    Glen,
    Those are an interesting find! Airstreak tires have been around for longer than you think. I first flew them in 1978
    on Ward Gays then new PA-18. But all the guides had them for years by then. The story was that Guy Selman
    was involved in the Strawberry industry in California and this low preasure tubeless tire was originally produced for
    Carts they hauled the strawberrys in . The 26" multipurpose was that tire.......... The ser # stamp set used in that tire Glen, looks identical to Airstreaks produced much later. An old Cubdriver in Wasilla; Ithan Williams used to be the "go to guy" that we got 30" streaks from in
    the 80/90s. Selman shiped them up with all airsucked out
    of them as already mentioned. I have a picture of Bill Sims (well known in guide circle) and Denny Thompsons spotter pilot in the polar bear days. Bill had landed his Cub
    in a pretty bad" rocky "spot; most would NOT think of landing with 31" tires; that was taken in late 1960's and he
    Is on those 26" multipurpose strawberry cart tires?? [ATTACH=CONFIG]3913witATTACH]So Selman and his tires go back alot further than most realize. Here I am around 1980 with some Airstreaks, being used to reference the size of this Walrus head.........he is a pretty
    good one???
    Here is Sims below he has landed with their 18 on " multipurpose" tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    could you post a copy of that article??
    I can scan it, not sure of the best way to post it here for consumption.
    I've seen people post scans or photos of magazine pages on the forum threads,
    and as I recall they're not all that reader-friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I can scan it, not sure of the best way to post it here for consumption.
    I've seen people post scans or photos of magazine pages on the forum threads,
    and as I recall they're not all that reader-friendly.

    I have the adobe scan app on my phone, works great, saves and emailes as a pdf. great for scanning logs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I can scan it, not sure of the best way to post it here for consumption.
    I've seen people post scans or photos of magazine pages on the forum threads,
    and as I recall they're not all that reader-friendly.

    that would be allright!!!

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    Dad and I were at a strip that very few planes used, probably about '82, and this guy touches down in his Cub. When I say touches down, I really mean he could have broken an anvil with a rubber mallet. His gear splayed out so far I thought his tires were going to hit the wing struts.

    One of us asked why he unnecessarily landed so hard. He said, "Ever since I got these Airstreaks I land as hard as I want to!"

    To each his own...
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    I tried posting a pdf of the Northern Pilot Bushwheels article, doesn't seem to want to do it.
    ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    I tried posting a pdf of the Northern Pilot Bushwheels article, doesn't seem to want to do it.
    ??
    Hit the "Go Advanced" button in the lower right corner and a pop up window will appear to download the document into.
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    Got no automatic pop-up window, but I was able to get a "manage attachments" window to open.
    My attachment wouldn't work though-- maybe it's too big?
    It's an "Adobe Acrobat document", size 9.93MB.
    I'm not much of a hand with computers, in case you couldn't tell-
    if someone else wants to post it for me, PM me & I can email it to you.
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    see if this works. cant get it readable.
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    Yup, not readable


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    Scanner settings? Try again with scanner software set to text?
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    You could probably just take a picture with your phone and get better results than that. I just put a pair of 26 inch Airstreaks on my Champ that were tossed by a Carbon Cub driver. A bit worn but I just wanted to try them out. Haven't landed them on pavement yet but on the turf I really like them, the Champ oleo gear isn't so great at taxi speed in the rough and these things soak it up. Then there's the looks, I'm gonna feel gay if I put the 800's back on there - lol. But ultimately it's the price and how long are they gonna last if you have to land on pavement most the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Yup, not readable


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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    see if this works. cant get it readable.
    I was able to open it, just too blurry/whatever to read.
    Was it readable when I emailed it to you Doug?
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    yes, be fun to see the testing machine, then we have some of the birth of bushwheels covered.
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    here's the article converted to pictures

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