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    Hood scoop ???

    Here is a pic of a Maine Warden flying a PA12 owned by the dept . Anyone care to guess what the airscoop ontop of the cowling was used for???morrel-gary-dumond-14.jpg

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    Ventilation/cooling in a very hot place for the engine/pilot/something else that had to be kept cool?


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    Radar Gun. Looking for speeding Moose?
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    I see that the air filter has been moved from the left nose bowl opening. Did they move it up there? Nope, changed my mind. Ram air for the oil cooler that was attached to the engine mount
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    Cooling air for the flux capacitor!
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    For catching mosquitos.
    You can't get there from here. You have to go over yonder and start from there.

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    Is it possible it was put there to slow the 12s down, so the 18's could catch up...........
    All joking aside I would like to know where to find one of those vintage oil cans with flex hose coming from the bottom????
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    Scratching my head. That the wrong side of the baffling to add pressure......


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    I'm guessing an air source for a firewall mounted oil cooler. Poor location for visibility.

    But I would like to find one of the "Lycoming" propeller hub plates that he has....
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    Blower scoop

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    Air intake for air filter

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    I’ve seen one Super Cub with a scoop there, with a firewall mounted oil cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboBeaver View Post
    Is it possible it was put there to slow the 12s down, so the 18's could catch up...........
    All joking aside I would like to know where to find one of those vintage oil cans with flex hose coming from the bottom????
    https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...Z1uAi0QgTYIxQQ

    They work great!
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    [QUOTE=cubpilot2;727053]But I would like to find one of the "Lycoming" propeller hub plates that he has.

    .......and also one of those sweet Captain and Tennille hats
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    With that hood scoop I wouldn't be surprised if it had Mickey Thompson slicks to match.

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    Well now that you mention that:
    We did use em! Here is the old Cruiser
    back in the 80's, with a set of M&H
    Slicks on it. They were incredible in
    Swamps. Kelly Vrem and I used to land
    them in places so wet; that when you jumped
    out of the airplane you could go over the tops
    of "12" Bean Boots.... Lots of water flying on the
    Windshields in those days. Here is a happy hunter
    With a decent moose in front of 4018H.20180911_014734.jpg
    Note: See the FA Dodge " hurricane" tie down straps outboard of the wing struts. Those saved that plane twice
    down on the Peninsula, in 80kt winds when Cubs tied right
    in same storms were ripped to shreads tied just to end of
    Struts. Best insurance policy you can purchase; period.
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    Cool pic- How many radios did that thing have, anyway??? Marine, HF, VHF, what else?

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    My guess is for an oil cooler . Will ask Gary next time I see him.

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    The airplane was also our daily ride for fish spotting, every spring.Had both Icom 2m(included 156mhz, marine)/6meters, VHF, Kenwood SSB HF, 440mhz UHF, Aircraft VHF, n Elt antennas.
    Cyclops scramblers plus some other not so well
    known stuff........ Secretive bunch those "spotters". When herring was $2K a ton, and you could slap the handcuffs around a few hundred tons in one set,
    And the pilots percentage was 25 percent. It was pretty serious bussiness, where ANYTHING went...........
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    The HF also had a long wire so I could let out 1 full wavelenght or 2 wavelenghts and have a perfect match SWR wise. Juneau or Kotzebue from Togiak anytime on 5631........ Whitehorse Radio on 5680.Or any lodge on 3201.
    AK F&G was on 4460 but that was not common to crystal HF radios for obvious reasons. Evenings we
    Could make a phone patch with Trident Radio if you could squeeze in past Bob Curtis; calling for a patch
    , And I can still hear him now; calling "Trident radio ; WGG 97 Tickchik Lk over".
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    D99BA91F-A4FF-4E39-BFD6-14969F4A6899.jpegOld picture of myJ-5 with a scoop. It was ducted down to the oil filter adapter. I made a new top cowl and removed the scoop and don’t remember a difference in temps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A BELLAND View Post
    D99BA91F-A4FF-4E39-BFD6-14969F4A6899.jpegOld picture of myJ-5 with a scoop. It was ducted down to the oil filter adapter. I made a new top cowl and removed the scoop and don’t remember a difference in temps.
    Wait! Cool the area where you take the temperature reading?! Ha!!! Sounds like big Pharma health solutions


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    Used to be a dark green SC came to the Gulkana air show that had a scoop much like that. It directed air to an oil cooler. Can’t remember the gyys name who owned it. Might have been EX.

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    I seem to recall “ eyebrow” scoops on top of the cowl to blow air down the back of the rear cylinders, ....on carbon Cubs?
    The top of the cowl is not a great high pressure area to be drawing air from unless you are NOT climbing....dumping the air into the front of the baffles, as Mike mcs said, is not great either.
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    Mike,
    That Dk Green cub you saw there, was likely Mark Bills from Willow. Extreame lightweight one with smoking hot
    0 360.
    Experimental, built from scratch. Pawnee prop. Honest 100ft airplane. Standard cowling so that big carburetor, hung right down and Out threw the bottom, so both carb n airbox were outside. Makin so much
    HP, If I remember right he was running same jet as for 210hp to get it to work correctly. Had it set up with Nitrous for competition stuff. Pretty impressive 18.
    One of the finest Cub builders up there. Expert tig welder,
    High quality fabric work. Had a nice jig. Top Dog cub guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboBeaver View Post
    Mike,
    That Dk Green cub you saw there, was likely Mark Bills from Willow. Extreame lightweight one with smoking hot
    0 360.
    Experimental, built from scratch. Pawnee prop. Honest 100ft airplane. Standard cowling so that big carburetor, hung right down and Out threw the bottom, so both carb n airbox were outside. Makin so much
    HP, If I remember right he was running same jet as for 210hp to get it to work correctly. Had it set up with Nitrous for competition stuff. Pretty impressive 18.
    One of the finest Cub builders up there. Expert tig welder,
    High quality fabric work. Had a nice jig. Top Dog cub guy.
    Yep, that sounds like the one. Thanks for the details.

    TV

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    I am the one who recorded Gary Dumond for that book. In the very late 40s or very early 50s, Maine Fish and Game hired a very talented mechanic named Howard Lambertson. They sarted with 108 Cruisers, then got 125s and later 150s. He may have installed the scoop for approval. Howard also got an STC for Cruiser flaps, in his own name. Gary flew over 20,000 hours over the Maine North Woods, retiring in 1991. Just this past summer they rehired him for two months. Go to backcountrypilot.org to read several of his stories along with several vintage photos. Jake

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    6292D31E-9994-49B8-BF3C-6359664C2E76.jpgHere is another photo of Mac taken in the 50s. He is in the center. Jake
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    Here is the first fleet. Jake31564302-33B3-44E4-A0CE-A82B072AD10A.jpg
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    Jake,
    Is that George Later to the right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1473C View Post
    6292D31E-9994-49B8-BF3C-6359664C2E76.jpgHere is another photo of Mac taken in the 50s. He is in the center. Jake
    Hmmm, looks like a 1950 Lincoln Limousine; you gearheads please correct me. I think President Truman used just such a thing, and maybe Eisenhower, probably other VIP's. Either that or Maine Fish and Game was VERY well funded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubscout View Post
    Hmmm, looks like a 1950 Lincoln Limousine; you gearheads please correct me. I think President Truman used just such a thing, and maybe Eisenhower, probably other VIP's. Either that or Maine Fish and Game was VERY well funded.

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    When I was 10 yrs old or so, Percival Baxter used to come to my dad's shop in a car like that and his personal protection was provided by game wardens when he was in this area. One of them that was regularly with him was Warden Dave Priest.
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    Hummm I didnt realize they had automobiles back when you were 10 years old! WoW.
    I was just assuming Warden Pilots pay was so high in 1950 (55 bucks a week)that Lincoln was simply Chief Pilot Bill Turgeons personal ride, and those fellas were just leanin on it tellin flying storys????
    This is how they paid for the Lincoln! Writing tickets....DEE1601Archive_3-696x580.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubscout View Post
    Hmmm, looks like a 1950 Lincoln Limousine; you gearheads please correct me. I think President Truman used just such a thing, and maybe Eisenhower, probably other VIP's. Either that or Maine Fish and Game was VERY well funded.

    Thanks. cubscout
    Here is the reason for the limo.5B953DF8-C461-4773-A32F-7CD9ED081314.jpeg
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    An even better part of the Gov. Baxter story (Baxter State Park) is that in the late fifties, he bought both small outboard motors and some of the early Polaris iron-dog type snow sleds for use by his rangers in the park. My older brother, Wayne, and I went into the park with Helon Taylor to show him how to use it. Great memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1473C View Post
    Here is the first fleet. Jake31564302-33B3-44E4-A0CE-A82B072AD10A.jpg
    Is that T-craft on two rafts?
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    Someone asked if the warden on the right in the limo photo was George Later. No, but here are two photos of George. Jake Morrel9C38438F-B47F-41A1-8295-657AEC87D466.jpeg9F301D60-A72B-4FEF-A6C4-913CC314B115.jpeg

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    Those guys had all of the nice airplanes, Love the Stinson!
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    George and I flew and stayed togeather at Tickchik Lodge flying for Bob Curtis back in 1980. He was a wealth of floatplane knowledge and an excellent mechanic. When he got thru flying up in Alaska; he gave me his tool kit that was 90 percent "Snap On" stuff.
    He told me many stories of the early days of " bush flying"
    What a great fella and tremendous pilot!20180914_112529.jpg
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    Here is a shot which 23C319A9-47C9-4C23-B2BA-F817604875B3.jpgwas taken on the drifted, rough strip in Daaquam.47D27356-8616-4149-A57C-6D47E8A0EB29.jpegThe above photo is at the fox farm on the St. John. Jake Morrel
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    I have a bunch of old recomendations for flying jobs from past employers, but this was always my favorite........20180914_115838~2.jpg
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