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    You mention three pointing on rough terrain and thought maybe that was the way you landed a RANs. I wheel land most of the time for visibility mostly. Figured you can see over the nose easier in the RANs than I can with 3" extended gear, 31" BWs and the Thrustline modification. Never flown a RANs so I am pretty ignorant to their operation. Enjoyed visiting with Randy and Shelly in Perry, FL when we all got stuck on our way to Sun & Fun and learned a lot but still haven't flown one.
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    I’m speaking out of turn but.....I’ve got an entire 10 min in a S7 with robertson gear. I flew it just like an -18, tail low wheel landings, tail comes right up on T/O. I thought the controls were crisper, you could crank the shorter wing and it had plenty of rudder/elevator. It flew better than the super cubs I’ve been in however it would kite a little because of its light weight. Good plane

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
    I’m speaking out of turn but.....I’ve got an entire 10 min in a S7 with robertson gear. I flew it just like an -18, tail low wheel landings, tail comes right up on T/O. I thought the controls were crisper, you could crank the shorter wing and it had plenty of rudder/elevator. It flew better than the super cubs I’ve been in however it would kite a little because of its light weight. Good plane
    So are you gonna nix the new SC and start working out of an S7?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    You mention three pointing on rough terrain and thought maybe that was the way you landed a RANs. I wheel land most of the time for visibility mostly. Figured you can see over the nose easier in the RANs than I can with 3" extended gear, 31" BWs and the Thrustline modification. Never flown a RANs so I am pretty ignorant to their operation. Enjoyed visiting with Randy and Shelly in Perry, FL when we all got stuck on our way to Sun & Fun and learned a lot but still haven't flown one.
    A stock S7 is indeed a little easier to see over the nose. Mine has extended Roberts gear on 29Ēs
    so the vis over the nose is indeed restricted. Any of the 3 pt landings I do are in places Iím sure of whatís ahead, putting on the mains for good vis, though, as you say, is probably a better way.
    I have the privilege of flying my neighborís new Super Legend from time to time and itís amazing how similar these aircraft handle. As suggested already, the Legend rides the bumps better.
    Make no mistake, even though the RANS is not for sale, I am a Super Cub fan and would love to own a red and white Super Cub on floats. Now that would be ideal!
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    Talked with Randy quite a while when we were stuck in Perry and we discussed the two airplanes. It was interesting when we talked about the S21 and I asked why he went with the O-340 on the demo that had there. He said he did that to carry a load and it would do it well up to a pretty high altitude at close to 1500 ft per minute. It is interesting how all these airplanes are different yet similar. Even the differences between Super Cubs, Super Legends and Carbon Cubs. Of course it is hard to find two Super Cubs that are the same or fly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    So are you gonna nix the new SC and start working out of an S7?
    No, the Rans will fly way faster than I can think. That’s what 35s on an -18 are for. To slow the whole process down to my single digit IQ way of thinking
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    What is the useful load on an S7 vs a Super Cub? How much do you carry in anvils and hammers on a regular job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
    Iíll split one with you Pierce. Run it for a min. If you like it buy my 1/2 and sign my logs as a minor alteration for the one I buy. If you donít like it, Iíll buy your half and pretend to sign my own logs......Brandt likes his on the Rans
    in jest...

    if you as a pilot think it falls as a minor, and you are allowed to change landing gear parts (wheels/ski's) and log it... why don't YOU log it....????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    What is the useful load on an S7 vs a Super Cub? How much do you carry in anvils and hammers on a regular job?
    There’s not as much useful load difference as a person thinks between a sub 800lb S7 and a 1150lb -18 given the cub is 1750 gross. The Rans will go as far as a cub on 1/2 the fuel......on the horse shoeing question, 125-50lbs is about what I carry on a normal day trip. Some of the ranches have anvils I’ve left or I carry a stall jack which is an abbreviated anvil on a tripod type stand.

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    The 2000 lb gross weight mod requires the 4 leaf 1 1/2 tail springs.
    No ďminor changeĒ wiggle room with that.
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    There is a field approval out there. PM me if you are really serious about going through the process


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    This guy has a done a field approval on a T3. gregory.horrell@faa.gov
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    IMG_0970.JPGIMG_0968.JPGIMG_0967.JPG

    On my last 12 I used the t3 after realizing how much abuses even taxiing put on the tail with a 6Ē ext. gear. On a 47 airframe it was a concern (or maybe me being overly paranoid)

    Once installed the dampening effect I found incredible.
    The side to side durability, obviously not so much as seen by the pics.
    I have been told that this has been remedied by a one piece billet aluminum arm, rather than the pictured style by the manufacturer. I have yet to send it back, since I am just finishing my new gear ext on a new airplane. But I will utilize it again given my experiences, even with this 2011 airframe.
    It is a very high quality product and particularly in a 12, when you have a nose high attitude in order to really get it slowed down on final, touchIng tailwheel first happens. This product absorbs and dampens that, thusly absorbing more of the energy rather than transferring it to the tail.

    Although I will/ have/ should get field approval this time.


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    I don’t think you’re being overly paranoid..

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    There is no reference to a tail spring in the PA-18 type certificate. Why is it necessary to field approve or even mention a change?
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    Does anyone have pictures of the newer version with the billet mount that they could post? It looks like the pictures on the Airframes site are of the older version. That area always looked like the weak link to me.

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    Thank you, are both the front and back attach points milled out of solid aluminum?
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    Just looked at this - and notced Steve getting stuck in Perry. I too was stuck there the week before - low ceilings. Good folks let me keep the courtesy car for two days.

    When I got out, I managed to get to Nacogdoches, then the next day those low ceilings covered Texas!

    For some reason, my tailwheels just keep following me around, no matter what I do - except for the day an axle broke on 064. Then the tailwheel passed us on the runway. We made it back to the hangar on two wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    Ok, so you just post that picture without an explanation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Ok, so you just post that picture without an explanation?
    Silly boy, it's obviously a T3 tailskid for a pioneer or WWI aircraft

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    Well, I hope you at least found the tailwheel. They are kinda expensive. Lol. Nice field repair though.....what no duct tape

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    I do appreciate the custom fabrication... can I get copies of the field approval docs as well


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    Seriously? A Harbor Freight hose clamp?

    Amateur.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Ok, so you just post that picture without an explanation?

    lookin for a field approval. anyone approve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smutny View Post
    Seriously? A Harbor Freight hose clamp?

    Amateur.


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    Iíve used a couple hose clamps on a split main front spar at fuselage end on a t craft for ferry flight. It did well for the 3 or 400 miles it needed to go to get home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Iíve used a couple hose clamps on a split main front spar at fuselage end on a t craft for ferry flight. It did well for the 3 or 400 miles it needed to go to get home.


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    It was meant tongue in cheek. Sarcastic. Humor.

    Never mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    lookin for a field approval. anyone approve.
    I do! Next time try bungees for extra bounciness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    lookin for a field approval. anyone approve.
    What kind of airplane is it? Has some very distinguishing features but I can't place it.
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    A tail skid is better than a full castering tail wheel in preventing ground loops and in providing more angle of attack for lift off.
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    The original locking tail wheel


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Budd View Post
    The original locking tail wheel


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    And a brake too

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    I once saw a tailwheel sitting in the middle of the grass runway at Plymouth NH. Protesting, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    I once saw a tailwheel sitting in the middle of the grass runway at Plymouth NH. Protesting, I think.

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    I think thatís the difference JP. My wing had to be torn off. Your tailwheel simply decided to leave you on its own accord. Maybe it didnít love you as much?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    I think thatís the difference JP. My wing had to be torn off. Your tailwheel simply decided to leave you on its own accord. Maybe it didnít love you as much?


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    True. It was mad at me because Ford was flying her instead of me.

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    a T3 suspension, what does the T3 mean??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    I think that’s the difference JP. My wing had to be torn off. Your tailwheel simply decided to leave you on its own accord. Maybe it didn’t love you as much?


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    It did not "need" to be torn off, nor 'had' to be torn off... you just did it on your own!

    I am calling Juneau FSDO tomorrow to see about a FA for these. If Greg allowed one, just maybe...
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

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