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    Someone start making these for a scott 3200 tailwheel


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    Just modify a nose dragger tug to fit your 3200 like I did for my API



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    The 3200 can be drilled and tapped 8-32 for a pair of steel buttons about 2/3 up each leg. Use aircraft grade cap screws and counter-bored steel ears, and secure with Loctite.

    First time I saw this was on a 182, forty years ago. I have since duplicated it on a Stinson and my Decathlon. Stock Cessna 150 tow bar is then perfect!

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    I’ll have to see if I can snag a pic of the one someone I know uses. It’s dead simple and can be made quickly

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    After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerryB View Post
    I have Bogi-bars for each aircraft. High-quality and never slip off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubCruiser View Post
    I have Bogi-bars for each aircraft. High-quality and never slip off.
    ive seen them slip off. all they have to grab on to is the head of a bolt, and are constantly working on the cotter key on the nut end. but they do work. i made a safety slide that goes down where they cant spread. put a hose clamp on each tube down near the tire and made a rectangle ring that goes around both tubes that slides down to the hose clamps.
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    that bolt looks like a way nicer fit, if i had a turning lathe. Just thinking, it should have some means to get it loose out in the bush, like with just a screwdriver, or a nut welded on the end.
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    With regards to a 3200, this is a solution in search of a problem.
    Multiple mfr's make towbars that fit onto the axle bolts of the 3200/3400 tailwheel.
    I bought one from Spruce 20 years ago for like $30.
    Even now they're like $64.
    What I'd like to see if an attachment or whatever to use one of those cordless sawzall-based power towbars on a tailwheel airplane.
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    Most towbars are just that, if you’ve ever tried to push a plane with a tow bar you’ll know what I mean.
    A rainy day inspired project borne of frustration and boredom. Towbar clamps firmly to the axle bolt via a finger screw and is rigid enough to push a cub with full fuel an 4 psi 31”s out of the hangar without slipping off or landing you on your ass

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    I made a towbar similar to the Taildragger Dragger. It works great!
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    I have a two tow bars, both the same generic blue ones from Aircraft Spruce. Either one fits the 3200 or the big tail wheel on the Cub or the little tail wheel on the Pitts. My solution for pushing out of the hangar without falling down was a piece of bungee cord to replace the wimpy spring. I should sell plans for the modification. It's very high tech.

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    Make some nylon bushings for your Bogie bar to keep from cobbing up your 3200 or BBW fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubCruiser View Post
    I have Bogi-bars for each aircraft. High-quality and never slip off.
    I see they took a nice jump in price since I bought mine 4 or 5 years ago.
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    ork


    If they make these with a 1/2 inch bolt and the right measurement between the nuts, no pun intended, im going to have one. and will report back sometime.
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    So.... what IS the right measurement between the nuts??
    I agree it would be nice if the 3200 had more for the Bogert to grab on to, but mine has never slipped. I always make application of thrust and steering separate events, if that made any sense. In my case it's pretty much straight in and out of the hangar.
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    What about using the bolt and nut you already have and make two cupped washers for what you have. Washer welded to tubing or spin something out on the lathe?

    Crummy drawing but.....



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    I thought about exactly that same thing. I don't think that would work with the Bogert without cutting off the original ears/cups and welding on larger ones though. Mine fits well and shows no inclination towards slipping off. Not broke/don't fix.
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    Cub Crafters sells an insert bushing to make the bogie bar and such fit better, easy fix.

    http://store.cubcrafters.com/Tow-Bar...ts_p_1501.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    What about using the bolt and nut you already have and make two cupped washers for what you have. Washer welded to tubing or spin something out on the lathe?

    Crummy drawing but.....



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    I have seen that done before and worked well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDCROWE View Post
    Cub Crafters sells an insert busing to make the bogie bar and such fit better, easy fix.

    http://store.cubcrafters.com/Tow-Bar...ts_p_1501.html
    I put a #4 PK screw through mine after it fell out a few times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I put a #4 PK screw through mine after it fell out a few times.
    I don’t need inserts on my hand tug from Juniors Blacksmith and Metal Works but they really help on a flexi-flyer Bogi Bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerryB View Post
    So.... what IS the right measurement between the nuts??
    I agree it would be nice if the 3200 had more for the Bogert to grab on to, but mine has never slipped. I always make application of thrust and steering separate events, if that made any sense. In my case it's pretty much straight in and out of the hangar.

    My api tailwheel without taking it apart is 4 1/4 - 4 3/8. appox. guys whose planes double as rock crawlers i dont think would want to use these.

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    Sorry Doug, I didn't expect you to measure it. I was just being a wise a**.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerryB View Post
    Sorry Doug, I didn't expect you to measure it. I was just being a wise a**.
    Dont worry about it, someone else measured it for me.

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    I like that accessory posted by tempdoug above. I'd have one if it fitted a 3400.

    Dumb question maybe, but how would you insert the cotter/split pin in Glenn's drawing and also the Cub Crafters insert bushing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texmex View Post
    I like that accessory posted by tempdoug above. I'd have one if it fitted a 3400.

    Dumb question maybe, but how would you insert the cotter/split pin in Glenn's drawing and also the Cub Crafters insert bushing?
    Drill a cross hole/window

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    I'm with Oliver, sooner or later towbars that don't clamp will slip off at the worst time. Here is my version:

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    Towbars are aptly named, they are designed for towing (pulling).
    That's why people add fuselage handles (by BAS or whoever) to their spamcans.
    That's what I use to push mine out of the hangar.
    Most ragwing Pipers have very nice handles welded onto the lower longeron that should work for this.
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    Well, I have tried all them and the ones that lift the tailwheel up. I never liked the ones that tried to tear the zerk off. Here are mine - the J-3 uses the long bolt idea - I just modified an AN-6. The Decathlon has the standard 3200. I have modified five of them to fit the standard Cessna nose dragger. Mucho better.
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    As with Paul K’s towbar, if it clamps on securely you won’t have issues with damaging zerk fitting - or your tailbone. If you use the correct size tubing it will index nicely over the bolt head and nut.
    Washers under nut and bolt head prevent damage to finish on tw fork.
    Pushing/pulling/steering the plane by the tailwheel allows much better visibility for wingtip hangar door clearance etc. vs crouched down steering via lower longeron handle, alot easier on your back too...
    I made 3 tow bars, loaned one to a buddy to use on his 185, he won’t give it back.

    Just sayin’
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