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    Put some wider buttons for flotation on those narrow PA-11 skates and you'll do better in soft/wet snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post


    Snows starting to get soft. Wheel skis are nice.


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    That wouldn't have gotten out of the sap house today before the sleds packed it. Took me a few tries to get out of my place this morning. Dave's 150 borer prop SC on Summits made 3 runs and quit till I got some sleds to pack it.45F and that hot sun turned it into glue

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiser View Post
    As if this lazy wheeled guy gives a half a **** about your opinion.
    It's ok Jim, we all understand that Timmy wouldn't let you come out and play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Put some wider buttons for flotation on those narrow PA-11 skates and you'll do better in soft/wet snow.

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    Yea I know, I had Aero 3000 on one season and didn't have enough power to make them move some days. My 9" wide 1500As have done the job for the last 500+ hrs. The best combination I ran was a borrowed pair of 12" SC-2. Might put my 10" SC-1 on next season

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    How much power are you running? The larger the ski's area with adequate nose tip-up the less they sink into the snow and the less drag they create in my experience. Plowing a ditch takes more power than riding on top. I flew Landes 2500's, Aero 2000 and 3000's for years and the 3000's were the best. But your right nothing beats power except if the skis are frozen to the ground or the bottoms are covered with ice crystals. Power being prop power.

    Those Summits look small. How do they compare in area with Aero 2000 or 3000? Plus the tire's got to add drag. Nice for many conditions though.

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    I'm just a stock 0200.
    I think the Summits are 22" wide? Those same Summits on the yellow sport cub and Dave's SC worked pretty good for a wheel penetration ski yesterday in that same field, it was warm but overcast. The SC had all it could do to just keep moving today.

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    Your wet conditions must be allowing the snow to compact and using up thrust energy in the process. An ice layer over a soft snow base will act like that as well.

    I've seen that a few times and yes even Big Rigs have troubles. I had a set of AWB-3600 W/S on a 185 decide to play dumb once and refuse to aviate. Had to go fishing and wait until it cooled off to go home.

    I think at some point skis can be too wide and cause higher resistance to movement than the same overall surface area in a narrower longer ski. About 16" would be my max choice with power. My Taylorcraft likes 12" Aero 2000's but that 's the limit for 85-100 hp for me.

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    Tom,

    How is flying the Sport Cub S2 compared to the PA-11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePA11 View Post
    Tom,

    How is flying the Sport Cub S2 compared to the PA-11?

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    Give him time to compare them, he had your 11 for a month making safety flights every evening. By the end of April he will have equal time in both.

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    NE Fall/Winter 2016/17

    Sport cub is nice and wide inside. Heater is not that great though. Gets up and goes good and the flaps are nice too.


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    I concur that too wide a ski is a detriment in sticky snow after using Mark's Summits in the muck and for sure the wheel drag hurts performance much more in those conditions.
    I have to say that in most conditions the Summit skis would be my choice.Turning in a confined area is not an issue and takeoff performance in most conditions seems pretty close to my Airglas 2000's.
    If I ran them as a straight ski with wheels removed then I think they would outperform just about any other ski.I may try this today or tomorrow if I have time.
    Another nice feature of the Summit is ease of installation and removal.If it takes you more than ten minutes you are milking it.
    I would like to thank Mark for lending me the skis and Mike at Summit for his support in getting them certified .
    Ski season should be longer.just way too much fun.
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    I have 1500 TrickAirs on my Tcraft F21. They work great in almost all conditions with the exception of yesterday with heavy, wet, deep snow. I just stayed home. Never had to flatten the tires to get out.

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    We had a couple barns collapse and kill a bunch of cows



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    Quote Originally Posted by willyb View Post
    I concur that too wide a ski is a detriment in sticky snow after using Mark's Summits in the muck and for sure the wheel drag hurts performance much more in those conditions.
    I have to say that in most conditions the Summit skis would be my choice.Turning in a confined area is not an issue and takeoff performance in most conditions seems pretty close to my Airglas 2000's.
    If I ran them as a straight ski with wheels removed then I think they would outperform just about any other ski.I may try this today or tomorrow if I have time.
    Another nice feature of the Summit is ease of installation and removal.If it takes you more than ten minutes you are milking it.
    I would like to thank Mark for lending me the skis and Mike at Summit for his support in getting them certified .
    Ski season should be longer.just way too much fun.
    Bill
    Wheel penetration skis are, by design, a compromise. The fact that we are even attempting comparisons between straight skis and the Summit's tells me they have done a very good job at Summit in this design.
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    Got to fly today the 11 sure is a little workhorse.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by mam90 View Post
    Wheel penetration skis are, by design, a compromise. The fact that we are even attempting comparisons between straight skis and the Summit's tells me they have done a very good job at Summit in this design.
    I'm still an inexperienced n00b on skis, but I can't complain about how the Datums are performing on the Bearhawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kestrel View Post
    I'm still an inexperienced n00b on skis, but I can't complain about how the Datums are performing on the Bearhawk.
    I wish you were at the sap house, it was a good testing day

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    I wish you were at the sap house, it was a good testing day
    I was thinking the same thing! I'm not sure that Miss Daisy is the best reference, but on Friday I had no trouble with snow that was an issue for she skis "she" is on, even when I cut out into fresh snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douten View Post
    Got to fly today the 11 sure is a little workhorse.Click image for larger version. 

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    Could have at least given me a fly by. Forgot what a plane sounds like.
    Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kestrel View Post
    I was thinking the same thing! I'm not sure that Miss Daisy is the best reference, but on Friday I had no trouble with snow that was an issue for she skis "she" is on, even when I cut out into fresh snow.
    You looked like an old pro on that real blustery day I watched you this winter.
    Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzinck View Post
    You looked like an old pro on that real blustery day I watched you this winter.
    ...haven't gotten stuck yet. That makes me a n00b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kestrel View Post
    I'm still an inexperienced n00b on skis, but I can't complain about how the Datums are performing on the Bearhawk.
    The Datums aren't wheel penetration, are they? Aren't they hydraulic wheel skis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mam90 View Post
    The Datums aren't wheel penetration, are they? Aren't they hydraulic wheel skis?
    12v linear actuator

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    I'm ready for the next big snow. Found a really clean 1990 skidoo Safari WT Cheyenne 503R. Geared low with reverse and simple to work on. Just need to build a groomer now.



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    Did you buy some floats Glenn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Did you buy some floats Glenn?

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    I see your spying on my PB, that picture is of the booster plates that got added to EDO 1400

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    It's SJ's fault. I get the notification with a link to open the photo and the next photo over is the float photo...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    I'm ready for the next big snow. Found a really clean 1990 skidoo Safari WT Cheyenne 503R. Geared low with reverse and simple to work on. Just need to build a groomer now.



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    That the one from Maine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    That the one from Maine?


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    No, Oswego NY. The one in Maine by Dan is still available.

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    Do you have the info on Dan's?

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    I've tried a variety of groomers at my remote lake. Finally settled on a 4x8' piece of plywood with a perimeter and cross piece frame of 2x4's to hold its shape. On the opposite side I fastened a 4x8' piece of chain link fence through the plywood into the frame with staples. Roll the fencing edges up along the 2x4's.

    Pack the loose snow with just the snowmachine, let it set up and harden, then smooth the rough spots with the drag pulled by ropes with the fencing down. It needs to be pulled slightly offset and perpendicular to the raised ridges of the fencing. For weight pile snow on the wood side of the drag. The rough fencing cuts the rough ridges and leaves snow in the low spots. In wet snow the drag can be flipped and pulled 2x4 side down after packing.

    Edit: Alternatively a steel chain link gate can make a good drag but there was no way for me to get one where I needed it. I suppose I could have taken it apart and flown it out on floats. I did fly a 54' steel crank-up amateur radio tower out on 2000 floats (3-20' sections each cut in half (10' pieces) and later pinned together), so a fence gate could be done with a little disassembly.

    It can get tough on engine belts and if warm crack open the cowl to allow in more air.

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    Runs good



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    Glenn, Is that where you live? It sure has a nice view over the valley.
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    You guys are nancy girls when you stand next to Douten's groomer
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    https://images.craigslist.org/01616_...FI_600x450.jpg

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    Here's one in Vermont. He's asking $500.

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    From the sled pics it appears that there isn't much snow. Grass poking up through a thin layer and shallow foot tracks in soft wet snow. Not sure of the climate but maybe it snows/melts/snows and never really gets cold?

    How much snow do you have to deal with and is it an all winter event or sporadic? Is it over ground or a lake surface that you're grooming?

    Packing between snow events will form a hard base that will outlast soft snow. If all you want is to avoid deep ski and sled tracks and keep as much snow available as possible I'd not be trying to farm it away with a heavy drag.

    The local airport drags 4 large plane tires fastened flat under a metal/wood covered platform. The new snow gets compressed, then picked up at high spots and dropped in the low by the flat tires. At the rear is a vertically adjustable metal road plow scarifier blade that can roughen icy surfaces when lowered. They also have a huge rotating brush that compacts the snow as well.

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    That picture was taken a half mile from my strip. Still 2 to 3' in most spots up there so I parked where the wind blew it away because I'm only wearing low cut work boots. My skis have been on since the weekend before Thanksgiving. Except for a 3 week period of mud we have held snow since turkey day. Still over 4' in the woods and I rode for over 2 hrs by myself making new trails zig zagging between the trees, great fun

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    Yea you got snow! Like I said I like to pack with the sled, set up overnight, then smooth before the wind makes moguls. The chain link setup will cut bumps and fill valleys and is easy or hard to tow depending upon snow weight shoveled on top of it. I had a homemade steel drag made from bolted 2" angle but it was too heavy and hard to pull. I converted it into a tip-over stand for my radio tower. The tires (like 4-6 truck size) under a flat platform smooths good but doesn't cut the hard bumps. A lowered blade is needed for that.

    Hope you have as much fun as I have for the last 34 years being a bush airport manager.

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    Glenn I just drag a wood pallet on a rope.You can switch the side you pull on and top or bottom of pallet for different results.only works well in dry snow and you can put some weight on it if need be.I have used cinder blocks or a spare tire.I have not found anything for wet snow.Actually tried an 8Ft piece of chain link fence behind the backhoe,It got so heavy with built up snow that I broke a 1 inch rope.
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    We pack our runway with a snow roller made from a couple of old metal wagon wheels with deck boards bolted to them. It works really well.

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