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    New Desser 31'' tire

    Who is gonna be the first to give a review??

    http://www.desser.com/aircraft-tires...1-10-4-PLY.asp




    I will send them an email, again, to encourage them producing a 35'' + tire. Maybe they will if we are many.
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    Now if they'd make one for a 6" wheel I'd get chipper.

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    So what 10" wheel? Cessna ag, ABW, or Gar-Aero?

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    I like the idea of a 10" wheel tire. Not available yet though, 2nd quarter of 2016. What is weird though is the 8" 27 1/2 tire! Who/what runs 8" wheels? They say it will bolt onto a 6" Matco setup? Why not make that a 6" tire?

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    It looks good from the price standpoint but still has the potential issues of stem shearing if tubed and un-beading if tubeless, when running at low pressure. With a 10" wheel and a 2500# per tire rating, I'm thinking its aimed at the Skywagon market.
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    The description on their website says it can be used tubeless or with tubes, so perhaps the stem shearing won't be an issue. If it was for my 6" wheels I'd order a set. I wonder how much it'll be and what 10" wheel to buy if one were to decide to go this route. I'm also interested to hear some wear reports and how soft they truly are.
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    Looking at the specs on the Matco wheel this tire was designed for is a 10 X 7 wheel, which would require the ABW 10 X 6.50 Cub wheel. The Gar Aero and ABW equivalent is 10 X 10. This could be a good tire for the Skywagons if it doesn't roll in as bad as the Bushwheels, but again there's the issue with the valve stem. Might have to glue them to the rim for extra insurance. And the ABW wheel would have to have a hole drilled for valve stem as well.

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    New Desser 31'' tire

    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    I like the idea of a 10" wheel tire. Not available yet though, 2nd quarter of 2016. What is weird though is the 8" 27 1/2 tire! Who/what runs 8" wheels? They say it will bolt onto a 6" Matco setup? Why not make that a 6" tire?
    I understand that they are using existing tooling. To adapt to 6" would require new tooling and cause an increase in cost that would exclude them from being a light "budget" tire. They are not claiming to be ABW's.

    We have a set (27.5) on the way for our EAB Rans. Already have the wheels here. Hope to report on them soon. We have sand and slop, and don't do big rocks. Plan to run tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7GCBC View Post
    ... This could be a good tire for the Skywagons if it doesn't roll in as bad as the Bushwheels, but again there's the issue with the valve stem. Might have to glue them to the rim for extra insurance. And the ABW wheel would have to have a hole drilled for valve stem as well.
    Desser says $750 for this new 25-pound 4-ply smoothie. STA (McCreary) says their 850x10 6-ply Airtrac weighs 17.6#, Spruce and others have them for about $350. So cheaper by more than half, and lighter to boot. Of course, they're treaded so might tend to throw rocks. Dunno what the Airhawks & 29" GY's weigh or cost.
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    I have the ABW 10x10's and 29x11x10's, 4 ply on my 185 and they work real good. I had GarAeros on my 180 and the 10x10's are better IMHO . I run 12-15 psi in the 29's , and know guys that run as low as 5-6 psi. The gar's wouldn't work that low on presure. I think the side walls are too stiff for Cubs but great on the Skywagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algonquin View Post
    I have the ABW 10x10's and 29x11x10's, 4 ply on my 185 and they work real good. I had GarAeros on my 180 and the 10x10's are better IMHO . I run 12-15 psi in the 29's , and know guys that run as low as 5-6 psi. The gar's wouldn't work that low on presure. I think the side walls are too stiff for Cubs but great on the Skywagon.

    These desser tires require a 10 X 7 wheel, Gar Aeros are 10 X 10. ABW offers a 10 X 10 wheel for Skywagons and a 10x6.50 for the Cubs, the new Desser 31s would require the 10 X 6.50 Cub wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algonquin View Post
    I have the ABW 10x10's and 29x11x10's, 4 ply on my 185 and they work real good. I had GarAeros on my 180 and the 10x10's are better IMHO . I run 12-15 psi in the 29's , and know guys that run as low as 5-6 psi. The gar's wouldn't work that low on presure. I think the side walls are too stiff for Cubs but great on the Skywagon.
    I have the 29" Gar-Aero 10" 4ply-shaved, no tread. You could run the Desser tire on the Gar 10" the side walls will be straighter is all. They are already set-up for a valve stem. In the past, people would drill & counter sink the outer wheel rim in three places and put a screw into the inner tire lip. This is a copy of what Schneider did with his 10" wheels. You can run very low pressure that way with no tire slip.

    The 850 X 10-6ply McCreary was only a 26" tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    ...In the past, people would drill & counter sink the outer wheel rim in three places and put a screw into the inner tire lip. This is a copy of what Schneider did with his 10" wheels. You can run very low pressure that way with no tire slip.
    Actually, truth be told,

    Schneider used a Gar-Areo wheel half as his mold pattern for his, but because of the Aluminum shrinkage due to casting(~1/10" per foot?), there was not enough room between the 6" rim and adaptor for a proper epoxy bond, so he had to do the 3 bolts...

    My FAA guy told me that 20+ years ago... think that was Al Fleener back then...

    sorry, miss read your post, you are referring to staking the tires to the adaptors... we used to add that also to the gar-aeros... I was talking attaching the adaptors to the 6" wheels..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Actually, truth be told,

    Schneider used a Gar-Areo wheel half as his mold pattern for his, but because of the Aluminum shrinkage due to casting(~1/10" per foot?), there was not enough room between the 6" rim and adaptor for a proper epoxy bond, so he had to do the 3 bolts...

    My FAA guy told me that 20+ years ago... think that was Al Fleener back then...

    sorry, miss read your post, you are referring to staking the tires to the adaptors... we used to add that also to the gar-aeros... I was talking attaching the adaptors to the 6" wheels..

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    Yes the only way you could tell them apart was the countersunk holes on the Schneider wheel. Many Gar-Aero had them after that but not from Gary. The owners/A&Ps started doing it themselves (to the tires)

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    Any updates guys???? Very interested in knowing how the big Dessers are going to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    Any updates guys???? Very interested in knowing how the big Dessers are going to work
    It looks like they are available. I haven't had a chance to get anywhere near that project.

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    A friend just received his I'm going down to check them out this week ...will report....$885 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW View Post
    A friend just received his I'm going down to check them out this week ...will report....$885 each.
    Please do. I might be ordering tires by the end of the week
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    Anybody figure out what tube they use with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfield View Post
    Now if they'd make one for a 6" wheel I'd get chipper.
    I think the bigger the wheel the less chance of slipping, so i bet they wont mess with a 6 inch wheel.

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    Black Sheep in Wasilla is a dealer, they were running a special price.

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    Saw some at Johnson Creek. The owner said he used the same tube as on 29" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txpacer View Post
    Saw some at Johnson Creek. The owner said he used the same tube as on 29" tires.
    What did they feel like?

    Did they have lots of give like Bushwheels? Or were they stiff like the Gar-Aeros?

    What was your thoughts on them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by txpacer View Post
    Saw some at Johnson Creek. The owner said he used the same tube as on 29" tires.
    FWIW 29-1100x10 tubes are $153 from Spruce.
    http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/...ro_tube_29.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW View Post
    A friend just received his I'm going down to check them out this week ...will report....$885 each.
    FWIW Airframes Alaska sells the 27-pound buffed 29x10 Airhawks for $531 each.
    http://www.airframesalaska.com/Buffe...p/29-11-10.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    What did they feel like?
    I did not squeeze them. They looked nice, though.

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    I've been running 8.50x10 tubes in my 29's for years. Don't remember if they even had the 29 tube when I got mine.

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    29" shaved Air Hawks mounted on 10" ABW wheels weight 50# each. That's 10# more than a 29" Bushwheel mounted on a Cleveland wheel. When somebody does commit to 31" Dessers it would be helpful if they'd post the weight. It would also be good to compare height and width of an installed Desser to an installed Bushwheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    What did they feel like?

    Did they have lots of give like Bushwheels? Or were they stiff like the Gar-Aeros?

    What was your thoughts on them?
    The shaved 4ply Gar-Aeros are pretty soft. The 10ply Gar-Aeros aren't soft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey Gray View Post
    Those 29X10 Airhawks are Vagabond tires.
    I can't recall....do you run those on GarAero adapters?
    Last edited by hotrod180; 06-28-2016 at 12:04 PM.
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    If you're a fan of adapters and tubed tires the Desser option should be more friendly to the prop than Air Hawks. I'd like to test the rolling resistance of Dessers compared to Bushwheels at similarly squishy inflation pressures. I already know that Air Hawks are harder to push around.
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    I ran the shaved 29" Gar Aeros most of the time. All up they were about 31 lbs same as the old airstreaks. When I was planning to get bushy I would put on my set of 'streaks. This saved a lot of wear and tear on the airstreak. I liked the gar aero setup because it is very durable(resistant to damage by rocks and sticks), have plenty of flotation and didn't require any special treatment such as covering to protect from uv.

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    Same plane, same day, two popular tire choices. I'd like to try the Dessers, too, but I sold my 10" wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW View Post
    A friend just received his I'm going down to check them out this week ...will report....$885 each.

    Any updates on these tires?
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    How about some pics of mounted tires

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    Was just searching the forum if there was any other info on Desser 31’s on a cub. The Cub we got already had them installed and I don’t have any experience with bushwheels. Got over 60 hrs on them. Running from 8 psi to 15 psi on gravel and sand beaches. Plane is based on asphalt and so far very little wear and after nearly 2 years of being outside uncovered there is no weather checking. Has stiff sidewalls and at 8psi is soft but not bushwheel soft (after kick testing other planes with BW’s). Seems to run over odd softball sized rocks and moderately rough tundra just fine. Haven’t run any lower pressures as they are fitted with a 29” tube. After our family acquired the plane we were hell bent on getting Bushwheels, but now the Dessers are going to stay on till they wear out. So for the last poster on this thread who was wondering about pics of them mounted here are some.
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    Looks good, must be a harder rubber if showing no wear. On Gar-Aero wheels?

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    Yup, on Gar-Aero’s.

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    Is that the AK Airmens Assoc. Raffle plane from a few years ago?
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    The 2016 raffle plane.
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