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Propellor options for a Continental O-200

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Paul Heinrich

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Illinois & Wisconsin
I am preparing to float a Cessna 140A with a Continental O-200A 100hp. It is currently turning a metal 69x52 pitch prop.

I know some variants of the PA-11 came with a Cont. O-200 engine and, while the Cessna 140A wing design has nowhere near the performance of the Cub design, I thought someone here could provide useful advice.

I have read up on the issue at the Cessna 120/140 website, but I would like to hear from you guys, too.

So, would anyone like to share their opinions on what the best propellor options are for flatland Midwestern seaplane operations. My first choice would be for a lightweight, composite, electric-controlled, constant speed prop.

Any ideas?
 
I ran a 74/47 or 48 on a 140 I rebuilt a few years ago. It had the c85 though. Wasn't legal and would turn like 2700 wide open in cruise. But it made it perform good on takeoff with static about 2450. I know not apples to apples but gives you an idea. I put the legal prop back on when I sold it and wasn't doing the annuals anymore. It cruised a little better than 95 at 2350-2400 in cruise.
 
0200 Cessna 150 uses a 75x38 McCauley, CF series if memory serves correctly. I used one on an 0200 PA-11 conversion, was not legal on a land plane but I thought it worked good. I don't think I have ever seen a used one advertised for sale. Jim
 
i have a catto prop coming here for a fellow to try on his 0200 c-150, how ever they are not certified but i will let you know how it works
 
Seaplane prop for the 0-200 cessna 150 is a 1A90CF/75x35 or 38.I have the 35 on my Legend.If you can get it approved it is is a great prop.Tiffinaire in Ohio has had the best price,ask for Mike Baird.This prop will turn 2550 static on a good stock 0-200 and about 2700 in a 60mph climb.It is the longest flattest certified prop for the 0-200.I can still cruise at 93mph@2550 burning alittle more than 5gph.

Bill
 
Bought mine from Tiffin, $2700 or so 6 years ago or so? Asked me what airplane I was using it on, Cessna 150 seaplane I replied. N number they asked? Hmm, had to dig a little for one of those, dunno what they would have done if I had answered converted J3 Cub. Jim
 
Longer is better? Thats what were told. Best performing shortest take off 0200 prop I ever drove was a Mac DCM 6948 C150 climb prop on my Pa11 that had been overhauled a few time and was only 67". 2675 rpm in a 45mph climb. I've been running longer props now but I miss that little stick.

Glenn
 
Glenn I bet that it was a lot less than 48 pitch to get that rpm unless it was a hopped up 0-200.

Jim that prop is approved on the Legend so I could buy it if someone wanted one.

Bill
 
Thanks for all the replies.

I am not sure if this is the correct way to ask, but does the O-200 have enough horsepower to quickly spool up a 74" x 48 prop? I need to get up fast, but I don't want to fly to my secret lake (into the northwest headwinds) with an effective groundspeed of 40-50 mph either.

Is an experimental Catto the only constant speed propeller option out there for an 0–200 or does MT or Hartzel make a composite adjustable pitch prop?
 
Paul I don't think a 0200 will turn a 7448 more then about 22 or 2300 rpm, thats less then 70 hp if I remember. An 0200 is just like a 2 stroke engine, it makes its HP with RPM.

Glenn
 
Paul with a 74/48 you won't even get off the water.As far as airspeed goes that 140 will probably top out around 90 on floats.The seaplane prop for a 140 with a c90 is the one Roger uses(74/40).That prop is not approved on the 0-200.There is no constant speed or controllable pitch prop currently in production for use on a certified 0-200 application.As I stated before my cub with the 75/35 will cruise at 93mph.

Bill
 
Roger Peterson said:
I use a 76AK2-40 on my 0-200. Tried 6 props and this one was the best.
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Roger---I agree--this prop makes the best combination for speed and RPM for my J-3 with a C90-8 (yah I still prop it at 80 yrs. old) ---it was a Sensenich 76" cut back to 74" therefore new designation 76AK-2-40----helps to keep the tips out of the snow and great climb performance----John F
 
My champ with a c-90-12 had a 76-2-48 on it. (74") it turned around 2100 static and the takeoff was downright scary. I got the same prop pitched down to 42 and it turns 2450 on climb out. Much better
 
The C85 on my tcraft will turn 2500 static with a sensenich ak76-4-40 72 in and if you push it 2775 wide open and with a 200 lbs person and 24 gl of fuel climb at 1800 ft per min it will get off the ground in less then 100 ft.
 
Paul Heinrich said:
Thanks for all the replies.

I am not sure if this is the correct way to ask, but does the O-200 have enough horsepower to quickly spool up a 74" x 48 prop? I need to get up fast, but I don't want to fly to my secret lake (into the northwest headwinds) with an effective groundspeed of 40-50 mph either.
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"I need to get up fast" and "Cessna 140 on floats" do not go together. Particularly if the 140 is on the approved EDO 1650 floats.

Paul Heinrich said:
Is an experimental Catto the only constant speed propeller option out there for an 0–200 or does MT or Hartzel make a composite adjustable pitch prop?
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The Catto prop is fixed pitch not constant speed. You might check out a Aeromatic. http://www.aeromatic.com/
 
You can't throw C85 and C90 comparisons into the mix for what works on a 0200. Even though a C90 and 0200 share all the same parts except the most important one, the cam. The C 90 make a bunch of torque in the 2400 rpm range and a 0200 at the same rpm is lucky to be around 70 hp. If you want a 0200 to perform it needs to turn 2650 or better in a 50 mph climb
Brake Horsepower
Rated Maximum Continuous Operation..............................100 BHP @ 2750 RPM
Recommended Cruise.........................................................75 BHP @ 2500 RPM



Glenn
 
Ok, thanks for all the input.

I guess I will try for the 74x38 option first since the 74x40 isn't approved for the O-200.

Is there an STC for that prop on the Cessna 140 with an O-200, or do I have get a field approval to modify the O-200 engine STC I have to allow installation of that prop?
 
At sea level, 29" MP, and 2400 rpm
The C-85 produces about 173.7 lb-ft of torque (plotted in yellow)
The C-90 produces about 187.5 lb-ft (plotted in blue)
The O-200 produces about 193.1 lb-ft (plotted in red)
This is ignoring the bad (low) data point for the C-90 at 2350 rpm and 29" in the Continental data set.

At 2750 rpm, the C-90 will produce more power than the O-200 when the manifold pressure drops below 21 inches.

For an O-200 longwing J3 landplane, I would run a 7440. 7448 is way too much pitch for the O-200 on a J3 and will choke it down.
JimC
 

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Paul, I would use the Mac 1B90 7535 that Cessna uses for the O-200A on the Cessna 150 floatplane.
 
I run a mac 1b90 7440 on my c-90 cub and its ok but want to flatten it more for amphib seaplane flying 7436 or so, I use Willy B's 7535 during competitions ( :howdy Thanks Bill) and I would recommend using that prop or something flatter for a 140. Also as skywagon8 said get up fast and 140 on floats don't really go together so don't expect too much from the setup :bad-words:.
 
Douten said:
I run a mac 1b90 7440 on my c-90 cub and its ok but want to flatten it more for amphib seaplane flying 7436 or so, I use Willy B's 7535 during competitions ( :howdy Thanks Bill) and I would recommend using that prop or something flatter for a 140. Also as skywagon8 said get up fast and 140 on floats don't really go together so don't expect too much from the setup :bad-words:.
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I like my 1b90 7440 also on floats but want something lighter for my ex cub.

Glenn

PS. Is Willys prop the one you had on when the girl whoooopped your ass. :lol:
 
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