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    I have a 1.5" piece of alum tube that will run under the front seat from my heat distribution box (up for defrost, left and right to vents and down to the rear) and I will insulate that with pieces of firewall blanket.

    Yip...stomp the ball...been teaching that since 1985 but I still like to be able to feel things. BTW, my wife will stomp back in one way or another!
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    I'm currently diverted from aviation...a bit. I'm building a 6' x 10' covered trailer to haul my Harley and probably 4 wheeler to where ever I want and have a place to sleep and eat out of the weather. Frame and floor are done in 8 days...progress continues.

    I just read an article in General Aviation News that I think is well written and on point regarding EAB aircraft, the electric plane and FAA. I'll include the link if you care to read it: https://generalaviationnews.com/2018...lying+20180224.

    Hopefully, I'll be done with the trailer soon and be back on the wing. No I don't have an electric car.
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    I built myself a small teardrop trailer for camping. (five x eight)They are popular but I couldn't see paying 8 to 15 large for a shell. A lot of people get carried away with fancy galley's etc. but mine is minimal. I decided a few years ago at Oshkosh that this old man isn't sleeping on an air mattress on the ground anymore. I really only need it for Broadhead, Blakesburg and Lock Haven. My wife is not a camper so mine is for a solo act. I don't mind living like a coyote for a week or two. I have a rack for my bicycle and I can fit a motorcycle in the back of my 4 cyl. Ranger with the tail gate down. Nothing cheap about me. I approve of your diversion.

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    Mine started out as a TD but grew to a stand up V nose 6x10 with 13' on the center line. I laid out 5x8 on the floor and drove my Polaris 700 over it and quickly found I needed more space. Now I can deal with the Polaris and my Suzuki DRZ 400 together or the Harley by it's self and have a place to eat and sleep and still put my 12' fishing kayak inside or my 12' Duraboat and it's 9.9hp Merc or the Honda 250 and Yamaha TW 200 and the kayak or...well you get the idea. Plus, I should be able to pull it with my Frontier or the F250 or maybe the CRV on flat ground.
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    I need some ideas from you fiberglass wing builders. I have the floor and sides on the little trailer I'm building and it's time to think about a roof.

    First thing that came to mind is build it like a wing with ribs and insulation inside and then attach 5mm underlayment bent to conform to the rib shape top and bottom with 6 oz fiberglass and resin coating on top and blended into the sides to hold everything together. I'd like to make it about 6" higher in the center than the walls, just enough to let the rain run off easily and the whole thing maybe 2" thick with 1.5" foam insulation inside.

    I'd like to avoid structural foam and lots of shaping so I'm thinking the ribs on 16" centers could be cut from 3/4" plywood to the desired shape with the underlayment stapled to the ribs and then fiberglassed on top and just painted inside.

    Any thoughts or other ideas?
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    I don't have any pictures for ya' but I used harbor freight cotton drop cloths and titebond glue. I essentially covered the wood structure of my trailer similar to the way the guys do on Wittman Tailwinds and Cassutt wings. Prepared the surface with final sanding then a coating of glue then the cloth goes down then it gets wetted out like fiberglass. Helps to have extra hands when doing it this way. Aircraft fabric experience helps in this method and when its dry you can paint it with whatever you like. I used high quality exterior latex. This method is pretty common in the ho' made tear drop world.

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    Check out Chesapeake Light Craft teardrop kit. https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/...p-trailer.html



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    Cub,

    I've seen the process on the TD forum and it seems to be very popular. What type surface (wood) did you put the drop cloth on?

    DGA,

    Very interesting that you would suggest CLC!! I built one of their cedar kayaks a number of years ago while I was still living in MD. CLC used to be just down the road from the Annapolis Harley dealer and I used to stop in there when in the neighborhood. They were not doing TD's back then but it seems to follow their offerings. I lived on the MD Eastern Shore and the trip took me over the Chesapeake Bay frequently on the Harley, at least in good weather. CLC has high quality wood products and accessories for their wares. Their epoxy methods (although not unique) are what I will most likely use if I can figure out how to make the roof

    Thanks guys for the ideas but I need to think out the construction of a 6 x 10 foot roof plus the cover for the "V".
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    Roof is on and stuff being installed like beds and cabinets. 3/4" plywood ribs with 3/4" perlitrailer 004.jpgns covered with luan soon to be covered with 6 oz cloth and epoxy.
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    I had a long talk with an old friend who is a master wood craftsman and asked him if he had ever done the glue/canvas method and he said no, but he has seen boats done with canvas and horse hide glue painted with oil based paint that have lasted 100 years and they are still going strong. Well, that convinced me to give the technique a chance. I'm using TiteBond II and Behr latex and it appears to be a great process. The surface is hard but fairly flexible and I learned that regardless of how much I hate to iron anything...it is NECESSARY to iron the washed canvas to get the wrinkles out of it...first one I pulled and stretched the canvas and still had wrinkles after the 3rd coat of paint...a word to the wise folks.

    I'm also experiencing "option creep" and it appears I may include a flat screen TV and a hot water shower and tunes of some sort. I'm wiring now and once that's done I'll begin putting the siding on. Not to worry...the LSA is still in my thoughts!
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    Some traditonal boatbuilders use Arabol glue for deck canvas, not to be confused with the body builder's muscle milk.
    What's a go-around?

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    My understanding (mis understanding) is that canvas decks were for the purpose of a nonskid surface that didnt tear up your feet.

    Of course wood and canvas canoes were about waterproofing, but decent gloss, and therefore, longevity on those canoes isnt great.

    Still, you have an interesting project and concept here. A man of many trades, obviously!

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    Thanks Dave...I somehow missed your reply...sorry!

    I'm making steady progress and it looks like a trailer now. Big decisions ahead...do I put the hot water heater inside or outside. Outdoor shower will be on the street side and needs to be inside a box of sorts to protect the water lines from freezing. The Water heater does 90 gals/hour and burns 38,000 BTU to get a 50F water temp rise...so...I'm really concerned about pumping that much heat into the trailer in the summer and since there is no flue there also needs to be venting and fresh air inside. I think common sense dictates outside the insulation but that also means going outside to adjust water heater temp and water flow rates and the need for freeze protection as well. This is an Excell heater commonly used in South America for decades and was recommended to me by a missionary who used one high in the mountains of Peru for a year...but it was on the heated side of his house with lots of leaks in the house...not requiring an fresh air vents.

    Anyone out there use a similar water heater in a small trailer...inside or outside??

    By the way...I look at my unfinished wing daily and feel guilty that I'm not working on it. I turned off the Hydronics in the shop today...Spring is here...maybe.
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    Yip still working on the trailer. My DRZ400 and Tw 200 are licensed, insured and ready to go off road this Summer. Also got my little Honda Recon ready too. Back to Moab is a fairly high priority or the area around St George, UT.

    My better judgement forced me into a 900 mile Harley trip to the East and into Sask, CA. That's my last Canadian Province to visit and with all the US states under my belt awhile back I don't have anywhere else to go. Well...there are a couple Mexican States left but banditos and drug lords may deprive me of that one. My wife reminded me that I still have the Western end of about 500 miles of US Route 66 to complete. Might be something to do this Fall on the Goldwing.

    In the mean time I've been drafted into a "let's have lights on the runway at ID 5" since we have lots of runway but no light. No telling what that will entail but I'm moving my tractor and backhoe down there tomorrow.

    Also bought some rod ends for the LSA wing laying on the bench...for the flap and aileron...see I haven't forgotten it!

    Good thing I'm retired...don't have a clue how I tended to a family, worked at least 8 hrs a day and still did stuff like build a V-8 49 Willis and an RV-4...but then I didn't get naps back in those days. Oh yeah...still need to get the Challenger annual done and a BFR this month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowrider View Post
    In the mean time I've been drafted into a "let's have lights on the runway at ID 5" since we have lots of runway but no light. No telling what that will entail but I'm moving my tractor and backhoe down there tomorrow.
    I just had reflectors on a stick at my airport along one side of the runway. The landing lights would pick them up easily.
    Something like this.

    The only trouble with them was the local juvenile dinklinks kept stealing them.
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    Yes Sir!

    There were a couple of native villages in AK that I flew into at night on Lifeguard flights that used cones and boards with 4" red reflective tape. You could see them a half mile out with the landing light from a 207 or 185. Once the folks tried to be helpful and put two trucks at the end of the runway with their high beams turned on and I got blinded about 50' above touch down and had to go around. Reflectors are cheap and work but the lighting committee has a bug up their butt about solar powered and pilot controlled lighting...I have faith common sense will prevail...I hope!

    Thanks for the idea Sky!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    I just had reflectors on a stick at my airport along one side of the runway. The landing lights would pick them up easily.
    Something like this.

    The only trouble with them was the local juvenile dinklinks kept stealing them.
    The airport where I had a shop in NY used reflectors as well. Worked good with airplanes that have landing light that point straight ahead. Not so much with the Howard where they are aimed about 10 degrees to the side.


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    DGA,

    I see your point...maybe a little slip would help.

    I used to do some instruction at Tipton Army Air Field on Ft Meade, MD and I made students land without a landing light so they could get the experience in case their landing light burned out or didn't work. If it wasn't too dark they didn't even need the runway lights and could land with just the street and parking lot lights for references. If you're familiar with the field it's surprising how well a person can set up downwind to final and use a flat approach and maybe 300 fpm decent and almost grease it on. I wouldn't suggest it into a 1200' strip with trees on each end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowrider View Post
    DGA,

    I see your point...maybe a little slip would help.

    I used to do some instruction at Tipton Army Air Field on Ft Meade, MD and I made students land without a landing light so they could get the experience in case their landing light burned out or didn't work. If it wasn't too dark they didn't even need the runway lights and could land with just the street and parking lot lights for references. If you're familiar with the field it's surprising how well a person can set up downwind to final and use a flat approach and maybe 300 fpm decent and almost grease it on. I wouldn't suggest it into a 1200' strip with trees on each end.
    A moon out also helps. The airport I was at was surrounded by trees and narrow. Since you canít see much ahead with a 985 powered taildragger, they angled the landing lights. Worked great, just didnít work with reflectors.


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    If you don't look at any light for about 20 minutes while flying you will be amazed at how well you can see once your eyes adjust. I don't have any interior or landing light and have made quite a few 2 hr after sunset landings at my strip. You be quiet Douten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2 View Post
    If you don't look at any light for about 20 minutes while flying you will be amazed at how well you can see once your eyes adjust. I don't have any interior or landing light and have made quite a few 2 hr after sunset landings at my strip. You be quiet Douten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Thatís cheating, someone on the runway with a flash light


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    That was after I landed to find my parking spot

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    [QUOTE=Lowrider;716762]


    Anyone out there use a similar water heater in a small trailer...inside or outside??

    I have one for my small vintage airstream trailer. It hangs on the outside after I arrive at a campsite. I have quick disconnect hoses for cold and hot water as well as for the propane. It takes 5 minutes to hang and connect. Unlimited hot water if connected to a water source or if not, until the water tank runs out. I have seen a model for use inside but do not recall the brand. Built a small custom click on cover out of aluminum to keep the rain off it.

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    I may have mentioned this before...My wife wears prescription glasses. She took off VFR for ANC in the morning from HOM and was returning home in the late afternoon in December with her sunglasses on while flying into the setting sun... you can probably guess the rest. She found the airport and made a fairly good landing on the 3rd attempt but she did learn from it...take BOTH pairs of glasses when you fly.

    Sburg,

    Thanks for the ideas. I decided to mount it inside but made little hood with a hinged deflector to send the heat out the window which is right above the heater. I thought about QD fittings but figured they only complicated things. I think my solution will work unless it get hot enough to melt the plastic screen on the window which will let in the skeeters and the like but I can always switch to alum screen if that happens. We'll see how it works out. I mounted my outside shower plenty high so I don't need to bend over to wash the top parts...bottom parts can be washed with the hose thingy.

    Never had a shower in the woods since SEA outdoor showers with the guys which were usually luke warm or cold or too damn hot. The showers used to put out my cigarette while trying to burn off leaches...don't miss those days.
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    Well, some may say it's about time but I dug the first 2 foundation holes today for the Hanger that sits between my shop at ID 5 and the taxiway. Still haven't sold my house in Sandpoint but I want to make some progress on the hanger anyway. Pushed about 40 dead trees over last weekend and pushed them out of the woods ready to burn in the Fall. Don't need the box scraper at the moment so I put the backhoe on the tractor and started digging. We're doing a pole barn which will just be a shell to get planes and parts out of the way in the shop. Left ID 5 at 1800, got home in Sandpoint and found my mower sitting in the yard in a puddle of hydraulic oil. Asked my lovely wife what happened and the whole explanation was..."I was mowing and hit a stick and hot stuff shot out of the hood so I quit" Can't wait to take that apart tomorrow and find out why it's shooting hot stuff out of the hood.

    See why I can't get around to building an airplane!
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    Now I've done it....sold my house, no place to live and no place to build an airplane 'cause my Southern shop will be full of house junk. Wife is somehow following misguided thoughts that I need to build the new house BEFORE the hanger...hopefully she'll come to her senses by morning. Nice folks from the liberal held state of California (which is still only one state) bought it and he's moving his machine shop into my old shop. Had a serious discussion about building a solid 0-320 for the LSA and he seems to be game...we'll see how that works out.

    I built a 12' x 16' upstairs room in the new shop with heat and air so I have a place to sleep...but no bathroom (except the outhouse next door) yet so I'm limited by how long I can stay there. Downstairs kitchen has a propane stove, microwave and refrig but I suppose I need to rent a house until I get the new one built. Life gets more complicated by the day.
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    That's what happens when you are retired Low. How did you ever have time to earn a living?
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    You're so right Sky! It's not only busy, I didn't have naps every day when I was working...20 minute power nap does wonders!!
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    My wife ( girlfriend at the time ) and I bought our 1860s farmhouse that had been empty for a bunch of years back in 1981. Her 75 YO grandfather came up right after we bought it to guide me with getting the old knob and tube electric out and some juice flowing so we could move in. We also tore out the old furnace that was the size of a pickup. At the end of the second day I was overwhelmed with the task ahead. An old house that nothing worked and no heat in the snowbelt of upstate NY in Septenber, what could go wrong? He looked at me and said " you only need 3 things to live, a place to take a dump, a place to eat and a place to sleep. The rest is optional equipment "

    Lowrider, you'll figure it out

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    Good insight from Grandpa!! My Dad lived thru the depression and had the same view on nice things to have...don't need em to get by. It's clearly by fault for letting my wife have a fancy bathroom but then she will join the bears and poop in the woods as well.
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    Drop one of these on a pad and you'll be set.

    Free shipping:

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    That's pretty cool!

    One of my neighbors has a construction trailer he bought years ago for his kids to use when they visit...has a shower and toilet and a bedroom...what else could a person want!

    My shop is a fine place for me to stay but shower and toilet would be nice. It has a priority in my mind...needs to be done eventually anyway.
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    At some point after I dropped the potty fixation a couple neighbor pilot types stopped and wondered what all the holes in the ground were all about...pole barn foundation explained their confusion quickly.

    Topic drifted to whether or not a VW engine built by a reputable person was safe in an airplane. I have had several thoughts over the past couple years about removing the Rotax 503 off my Challenger and replacing it with a 1915cc 65 hp VW...probably a Hummel build. The 503 has been reliable so far with about 270 hours on it TT. It's supposed to be 50 hp at 6K something but I usually pull it back to 5500 after take off so I cruise at 40 something hp most of the time while listening to that giant bumble bee behind my head...don't like that sound a bit. Most folks seem to think the properly maintained and not overheated VW is a fine air plane engine...but then there are folks that swear the 503 Rotax is the most reliable engine ever built.

    Anyone out there have any experience with a VW in a plane? When barely out of my teens I had a beach buggy built on a Bug pan with an old 36 hp VeeDub which I ran the piss out of and it was a wonderful under powered engine...not exactly the same as being at 8K flying over a totally wooded 7K mountain.

    Thoughts?
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    The first 9 months I camped out on my new 40 acres of raw ground (12 years or so ago) I used the Kubota tractor and a 12" auger in the post hole digger. About every 2 weeks (depending on my diet during that time) I'd bore a new hole and fill in the old (no rocks, easy). A cheap plastic lawn chair with a hole jig sawed in the bottom, and I was in hog heaven. A scrap steel rod with a 90 stuck in the ground next to the chair held the TP, what more do you need?

    Friends thought I was roughing it, but really roughing it was 35 years earlier when moving onto my first property, with no tractor and digger, and lots of rocks, this last time around was a piece of cake. Not having a washer and dryer is the bigger PITA when roughing it, and why my shop hangar combo has a full bathroom with those.

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    My first house was at 43rd and Camelback in Glendale, a suburb of Phoenix. My last new pickup cost twice what that house cost me but it had indoor plumbing and running water and new wife to keep me company. Used to hunt white wing dove across the street in a milo field...I thought I was in tall cotton...guess I was!! I got told to volunteer for an undercover drug detail so I did...neither the house or the wife lasted very long after that. Might have been better off digging holes in the rocks.
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    So your last new pickup had indoor plumbing and running water?
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    Clever catch...No, but it does have a refrigerator. I slept thru 20 years of grammar and English composition...probably why I never made it out of 3rd grade.
    Somewhere along the way I have lost the ability to act politically correct. If you should find it, please feel free to keep it.

    There are no new ways to crash an airplane no matter how hard you may try!
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    So, no one ever use a VW engine in an aeroplane??
    Somewhere along the way I have lost the ability to act politically correct. If you should find it, please feel free to keep it.

    There are no new ways to crash an airplane no matter how hard you may try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowrider View Post
    So, no one ever use a VW engine in an aeroplane??
    I have been the A&P on a Fournier RF-5 motor glider for several years now.. All wood and fabric tandem gear with outriggers and is powered by a Volkswagen... The single most problematic part of the entire Aircraft is the engine... It has had constant cylinder head issues from the valves to bad spark plug coils... We have changed out both left and right heads twice... I also maintain a Aeromot AMT-200 Super Ximango motor glider.. The Aeromot was designed by the same guy who designed the Fournier.. Except it has a super reliable Rotax 912...

    I would not fly behind a VW just based on my experience of maintaining the Foirnier’s...

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    I knew a fellow who built a Volksplane with the VW engine. He nearly died in the crash after the engine failed.
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