I have a set of Wipline 2100 on my cub and the retract operations of the water rudder is a two handed operation because it is so hard to pull up. Any tips on making it easier for the retract? The way it is set up now, the cable guide is going to work loose from the floor mounts if I don't do anything about it and bend the boot cowl.
If the cable guide isn't the right angle, it will pull loose for sure.
check the rudder up/down springs
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It helps to replace the water retract handle with an EDO one (if you can find one) or buy one that Atlee dodge makes. In my opinion either one is better than the wip one. This was the solution for me so it doesn't require two hands.
Webfoot
Not sure about the Wip system. EDO uses a steel tube which goes down through the floor and is bent towards the tail. This creates a lot of cable drag. I mounted a small pulley on the bottom/outside of the removable cowl behind the boot and left off the steel tube. It works slick. You can just reach in the door and easily pull up the rudders.
The one set of Wips which I helped install had some hard stops on the water rudders. If the rudders are not set correctly these stops could be dragging on the back of the floats making it difficult to pull. I got a field approval to remove these stops.
N1PA
Some of the bigger Wips have some common issues.....Originally Posted by Indabush
.....check the H20 rudder pull up cables and pulleys in side the floats. Some of Wip's floats have a common issue of the pulley brackets ripping free of the bulkheads where they're riveted on. They are designed in a manner that the rivet tails pull right out of the metal, as there is not enough area/bearing surface and the rivets are in tension.
If you're pull is very hard, chances are you've stressed the pulley brackets or have a misalignment happening or on the verge of happening.
Also, while you're in there, check the steering cables pulley brackets that are fixed to a cable "pigtail" that is in the corner of the transoms on each side.....that cable pigtail doesn't have a long life.
Last edited by Dave Calkins; 06-05-2012 at 10:55 PM. Reason: Had a brain fart and was thinking 2100's had internal h20 rigging.
I did and was on hold for a half hour then finally got an answering machine.Call Grant
I drove around the float pond and seen a neat set up where they had a single line connecting both water rudders. Off of that they had a pulley that would find center and was connected to the water retract cable. I do have the atlee retract handle and don't use that Wip one. I also would like to remove the big aluminum stops (locks) on mine. Skywagon8 would you have a picture of that pulley set up? May12_067.jpg
Another view.May12_065.jpg
Big springs and large stops on wips.May12_066.jpg
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Didn't mean it that way Grant. I'll give a call later this week, I'm out of town now.
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Removing the stops involves installing a ventral fin as the Wips can't pass flight test without airframe alteration or artificial feel (extra neutralizing return springs on rudder). Seaworthy has promised to take a picture of the pulley setup for you. (I don't have one of those digital Polaroid thingies) It is just a couple of aluminum angles riveted outside to the bottom with a small ball bearing pulley bolted between them with a cable safety guard. This is mounted directly below the edge of the instrument panel where the hook for the handle is mounted and outboard of the rudder cable and inboard of the lower fuselage tube.
N1PA
Here you are. Sorry for the delay.
PeteSmithCub11June1012010.jpgThe pulley guard is important to keep the cable in place without jaming between the pulley and the angle supports.
PeteSmithCub11June1012009.jpgPeteSmithCub11June1012011.jpg
N1PA
Skywagon, thanks that looks like a good set up. I removed one of the two springs and it is a lot easier to pull up the rudders.
I did the same type of pulley on my Baumann's Worked well now for 5 yrs
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