New Savage Cub S
I recently attended NATFLY in Australia and had a good chance to look at the Standard Savage Cub, the Carbon Cub, and a Sport Cub. Nice planes at different price points and filling somewhat different niches. Now Zlin Aero announces the Savage Cub S,which will come with 170 HP Lycoming giving take off in 20M and climb 2100 fpm.
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Here we go again.
Yep. How many pages this time? Any wagers?Originally Posted by courierguy
A 170 horsepower a/c like that would be a hoot.
I haven't forgotten that other discussion, and wonder at the topic-author's motivation, but why hate the Savage? I missed THAT memo.
Before you get too excited about a Savage Cub I suggest you go fly one. I flew a Savage Cub with the Rotax engine and did not like it at all. It had a nasty break at the stall and required some quick footwork to keep it right-side-up. For airplane that is meant to fly low and slow, I find this unacceptable. If their new Cub handles the same way, I wouldn't even consider it.
On the other hand the Carbon Cub flies like a dream. There is no comparison between the two, IMHO.
Dave Prizio
TX Sport Cub N114DE
Rigging Dave?
Have you flown a Rans?
I have not.
I have flown 2 different RANS S-7S planes. According to those who claim to know, the Savage Cub design borrows heavily from the RANS but with modifications to make it look more Cub-like (rounded wingtips, etc.) Both S-7Ss that I flew needed a bit of rudder help to keep them from dropping a wing in a stall, but it was much less pronounced than with the Savage Cub.
The RANS planes were both experimental amateur built, but the Savage was a factory built S-LSA that was being operated by a flight school near San Jose, CA. The instructor I was flying with claimed it was a characteristic of the plane's design, but I have no way to verify it one way or another, since I only flew one example. The Savage did fly straight and level in a normal cruise configuration, which tends to make me think it was not a rigging problem.
I guess what I would like someone to take away from my comments is be sure to fly before you buy, and be sure that flying includes plenty of slow flight and stalls. Hopefully Savage has solved their handling problems by now. Just don't assume that just because it looks like a Cub it will fly like a Cub.
Dave Prizio
TX Sport Cub N114DE
Borrows heavily?
It's a copy.
Go buy some gas and learn to fly!
Randy
Give that C'S another 7" in length and 2.6" in Wing Cord length and they might have a real Cub!!
Hey Randy - best advise for almost any STOL topic here!
Chris Hatin
Bushwhacker Aircraft Company, LLC
www.bushwhackerair.com
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Well, my friend and well known Australian instructor, Eugene Reid, teaches tail dragging and has 20,000 hrs. and is interested in getting one (and has flown one). Re: Rans, I took a good look at one, arguably the best one in Australia and I don't see how this new plane can be considered a copy, nor even the previous/current model known as the Savage Cub. The first Savage, the Savage Classic, there was a lot of similarity a decade ago.
Time moves on and the company has expanded and to their credit, kept improving performance. Some of you are lumping all these models together and that is inaccurate as calling a J3 the same as a SuperCub because both are Piper Cubs. Some of you are also recycling criticisms that are really old, such as the stall on an earlier wing I believe was w/o VGs and at any rate bears little resemblance to the wing of this new model. That said, I stalled the earlier wing p/o and p/off and found the break pretty mild. However, I try to be objective and yes, I'd like to revisit this issue as well as every other criticism (e.g. a tail wheel that went bung), just as I would for any plane of interest and there isn't one out there that doesn't have someone ranting on this or that.
But the subject is not the older Cruiser, but the Savage Cub "S", per the link.
What link?
I wanna go look at it. Guess I'll google it later. thanks.
I see the link was removed. I have no relationship with the company. At any rate, Dave, the new wing has square tips, chord has been changed. Plane is 30 cm longer with more cargo capacity; beefed up in various ways to handle the hp. Static thrust of the lightened Lycoming claimed to be twice that of the Rotax. I suspect they are going after or even trying to beat Carbon Cub performance. However, I see no mention of carbon except in a prop.
Believe me, you can have a rag and tube airplane that flies hands off straight and level, yet has a nasty stall break, due to poor rigging. I once met a brand new Scout with that characteristic. Flying ANY airplane you're not intimately familiar with, you'd better perform a series of stalls before you do anything else with it.
MTV
Someone please post a picture of that flywheel on the Savage S. That thing looks sweet! (green fuse with red motor) I am at work and their site is blocked.
Here ya go.Savage cub.jpg
yikes, red motor.
Wonder if you need a black light to get the frame to glow like that?
John Scott
While I respect the folks that use Cubs to make a living, my uses are for recreation and leisure - AND I'M NOT ASHAMED!!!
Dave, maybe red is strictly a western hemisphere issue...
Someone pass me a paper bag...
Definitely eye-popping. Kinda blurry, but that's a depth of field issue. Like the red paint on the engine - was there a batch of bad engines painted red Dave? Alternately, does red hold in engine heat?
Nope, I'm not gonna say it.
Someone would be offended.
Doesn't bother me. I suspect the engine can be had au natural. I believe other engine options may be available.
It's an "inside joke" about the color of an engine and individual's superstitious nature causing them to think is has something to do with how long the a/c will stay shiny side up.
I have friends with red. I shouldn't have said it.
Ok, had another link deleted. I'm just trying to give information. Those interested can find Paul Claus has a video promoting the SC and showing STOL capabilities but that isn't even the new super STOL model S as I noted his plane didn't have the new wing. He probably had some input on the forthcoming model.
Also Loni H., may have contributed. And others.
went down to Arkansas and flew the Savage Cub, it was fun. Nice little airplane. They say Loni H. is working on a video...
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I still want one of those flywheels. Anyone machining something like this?
Okay - stall characteristics? Wing drop? Hard break? Anybody know if Paul and Loni are paid video producers/demonstrators? Just curious
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Gunny
Check with SkyDynamics.
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nkh
I did a bunch of stalls in the Savage Cub. They were very docile. It broke to the right, but not aggressively, easy to recover with no loss of altitude. Enjoyed flying it. Easy as any other cub to fly.
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Way to go SpainCub - make my video look like rank amateur stuff.
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I know a guy here in St. Louis that could make one, all it takes is $.
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Not me, Arturo Pola is the one doing all the flying, he is GREAT GUY that is now flying at Ultima Thule, and the vid speaks for his flying....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxO_85mc_U interesting.
What? kg? km/h? ft/m? What is that stuff? I need REAL numbers!I could never buy a machine rated by the Luftwaffe
... yes, they have not figured out that that aviation speaks in imperial English units...
Pretty interesting! Has the right sound now too.
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