J3 extended baggage

[greenhorn]

Ok i have a 46 J3 that has a modified baggage in it. I of course don't have any 337 or field approval of any kind and i am in need of something since i just lost a potential sale of the airplane today because of it. What usually exists on a j3 in the baggage area if i am correct is directly aft of the curved seat back tube is a small piece of channel than spans the longerons about 8 inches or so aft of that channel is another one exactly like it, these two channels are there for supporting the baggage lid and canvase if i am correct. I have neither of these channels from the pictures you can see that they are both gone. The aluminum tub that is in place of the stock baggage is about 22 inches fore and aft, about 24 inches wide and about 12 inches deep. My questions are: Are the missing channels structural? Has anyone come across this type of situation before and if so what did you have to do? Do i have any hope of getting field approval for this modification? I have seen similar 337's but not exactly the same as i have. For the record i was not the one who did this modification it was like this when i bought it, it is currently in the process of a rebuild and i have no paperwork of any kind on the modification.baggage.jpg

[Longwinglover]

The Cub Club https://www.cub-club.com/printed/Cub...ed_Tech.14.pdf seems to have a package of 4 extended baggage 337's with color photos for $20. It is under "J3 Cabin Area".

John Scott

[greenhorn]

I have already looked at the 337's from cub club and it doesn't look to me like they will apply. Unless I'm missing something I look at them for a couple of hours today and none of them are exactly what I have

[cubdriver2]

Make a normal looking plywood door and cover it.

Glenn

[cubx3]

that wasn't an L4 in another life was it?

[greenhorn]

Log books show no reference to it being an L4.

[Grant]

Check With FA Dodge. they might have done an STC years ago that apply.

[greenhorn]

I called FA dodge but didn't get anywhere. I will try again though. One of the 337's I looked at today was an FA dodge but it was the same as my current setup only the two channels that im missing were left in place on the FA dodge 337

[behindpropellers]

GH-

See if anybody turned the belcrank below the baggage 90 degrees and report back.

[cubdriver2]

GH-

See if anybody turned the belcrank below the baggage 90 degrees and report back.

Tim he said it was only 12" deep so..... same as stock, you could maybe go 18" deep with out changing the belcrank.

Glenn

[greenhorn]

So the bellcrank would be operating horizontally rather than vertically?

[bob turner]

We had a field-approved giant baggage bin - I took it out and returned the aircraft to its original configuration. I am quite sure that, had I left it there, somebody would have overloaded it. You are only allowed 20 lbs, and I bet none of the field approved bins got that changed.

Two more comments: First, the FAA probably won't approve these things anymore even with a prior 337 in your hands, although I choose to interpret the regs so that the original installer can do it again. Nobody else interprets the regs that way, so you are stuck there. And second, if the baggage bin soured the deal, your purchaser had already gotten buyers remorse and was just looking for an excuse. He or she was not going to buy it, and was looking for something. If it hadn't been that it would have been burn certs or something - no Cub is perfect.

Opinion.

[greenhorn]

The bell crank is vertical not horizontal. I talked with the buyer again last night and it sounds like if i had a 337 for the baggage he would buy the damn thing. Anyone have anymore suggestions?

[greenhorn]

Does anyone know whether or not those channels are structural?

[cubunltd]

The channels are not structural. Email me I have a 337 for a baggae compartment similar to yours. jswalt@comcast.net


John

[cubunltd]

there are sill some FSDO's that will do field approvals if you word the paperwork correctly. It's harder to get approvals but it can be done. i'm lucky that my FSDO has older experienced people that i have been working with for years. They are willing to work with me and make things happen if possible.

John

[nesincg]

Check With FA Dodge. they might have done an STC years ago that apply.

The FA Dodge one requires you to have already installed Supercub elevator control.

[greenhorn]

Is it possible that my baggage is a PA11 baggage? If so is there a 337 or an STC for PA11 baggage in a J3?

[supercub]

Your baggage looks very similar to a stock J-3......like a previous poster said, put a hinged plywood top on it. Placard it for Max 20lbs, and no one will be any the wiser.
Brian

[bob turner]

Convert it back. A good seamstress can stitch up a bag in ten minutes, and you glue it in. Lots quicker than messing with the federales.

[greenhorn]

Good idea bob. I just might do that if i have to. I took a close look at it today and it wouldn't be that big of a deal to remove it.

[nesincg]

Is it possible that my baggage is a PA11 baggage? If so is there a 337 or an STC for PA11 baggage in a J3?

No a PA11 baggage is just like the J-3 except it is metal (or at least mine was). Funny I can't find a picture of the baggage in my thousands of J-3 photos.

P1020054.JPGPA11-Baggage. Just like j-3 except for straight seat back instead of curved.

bare-baggage-plus.jpgYellow is normally fabric, but mine is wood Velcroed to fabric tabs. You are missing a non-structual bar at the bottom of the yellow. Baggage, represented by blue, is glued to the 4 bars. I think possible, but tough to do.

My recommendation is find another buyer. Maybe not so easy.

DSC03513.JPGYou can see the wood, just behind the window, instead of solid fabric. Makes nice access to view tail, though maybe not legal either.

Chris

[nesincg]

Found this surfing the net. Door from top removed.

MVC-007S.JPG

[C-90 Cub]

Greenhorn,

Is your Cub an A-65 engine or does it have 85 or 90 HP

Steve

[greenhorn]

Currently has no engine but I believe the logs show a 65

[C-90 Cub]

Currently has no engine but I believe the logs show a 65

Greenhorn..............thanks for the reply.

[bob turner]

I missed that. You are selling a Cub with no engine and the baggage compartment is the sticking point? I could maybe see it if the rest of the cub were flying and airworthy, but for a project the baggage compartment would be a " don't care" for most of us.

[greenhorn]

You hit the nail right on the head bob. They claimed the baggage was not legal because the two support channels were removed and with no paperwork they couldn't get their AP to sign office on it. I personally think they did a poor job explaining it to their AP he never even saw a picture of it and they didn't take any either. Everyone says to get a new buyer but this guy was one of the few that have shown interest in the past year.

[bob turner]

I had steered a guy your way, thinking you had a flying Cub. I do not think our host would mind if you posted a few particulars - metal spar? Extra tank? New fabric? Logs? Asking price?

By the by, a friend just put a C-180 on Barnstormers - he said he got eight calls in the first fifteen minutes, so the market for taildraggers is not dead yet. A guy is looking at it as I type.

[greenhorn]

Bob, i have had it listed on barnstormers twice now but not alot of serious interest. The plane is a 46 j3 project. I have all of the logs however the buyer that raised a stink about the baggage said the logs were incomplete, if i get a serious buyer i will look over them and see if indeed they are incomplete. Anyway, it is a 46 with 1950 total time no engine no prop, fuselage is covered in brand new ceconite and randolph dope, full j3 tail with new hardware and tail brace wires, new seats, nose tank, both doors, all the glass except the windshield, extended baggage, full skylight, no instruments, new boot cowl that will need to be painted and installed, one gear leg is bent up a little but i have a replacement, master cylinders and wheels but no brakes and tires are pretty rough, no wing struts but have both wings and ailerons, wood spar wings, right one has been rebuilt with new spars, leading and trailing edges, left wing needs new spars, leading and trailing edges and a couple of the ribs are bent up but not that bad, both ailerons will need new leading and trailing edges as well they are a little dented up. I am asking $13,500 but will take the first $12,000 that walks in the door.

[bob turner]

If you do not mind my saying - the baggage compartment is not a deal breaker. Wood spar wings and missing parts are far more important to a savvy Cub buyer. Opinion.