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    FAA medicals and high blood pressure

    I've been on high blood pressure medication for 20 years now. 6 months ago I began reading about how Resveratrol (the stuff in red win) makes mice live 30% longer. They say it does all kinds of good things - including helps with leukemia and other forms of cancer. But you have to take it in pill form to get the needed dosage. The two pills i take each night have the equivalent of Resveratrol you would get in 500 bottles of win.
    for 6 months I've taken two of these pills each night along with 3 fish oil pills and a vitamin C pill. I had a physical recently and my blood pressure was low - so the doctor said stop the medication and see what happens. I'm now off the blood pressure medication a week and tonight me blood pressure was 117 over 72 - which is great! Maybe I'm onto something here.

    if you think you might fail an FAA medical due to high blood pressure - try my routine. I'd be very curious to see what happens with someone else who is on blood pressure medication.

    Ok now you guys who like to bash Cliff can go at it. Maybe that this has nothing to do with flying etc - I'm sure you will think of something!! See if you can make my blood pressure go up!

    Have a good night - oh and I get my resveratrol from GNC - I suspect they are selling the real thing. There is a good youtube clip of a 60 minutes story on this stuff.

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    That is good information, and those were very good landings, by the way.

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    Re: FAA medicals and high blood pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by OVEREASYGUY
    There is a good youtube clip of a 60 minutes story on this stuff.

    Cliff in Maine
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu87vid-uK8 this it?

    edit: or this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUnUv5jos68

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    http://www.sirtrispharma.com/press/2008-042208.html

    Notice GlaxoSmith Kline purchased the company doing research on resveratrol for $720 million - and mice DID live 30% longer - I am a firm believer that there is something to this!
    here is a link where you can buy this stuff:
    http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3467636
    I recommend the huge vitamin company GNC. alot of what you find on the internet may be fake.
    cliff in Maine

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    Re: FAA medicals and high blood pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by OVEREASYGUY
    .....The two pills i take each night have the equivalent of Resveratrol you would get in 500 bottles of win.
    for 6 months I've taken two of these pills each night along with 3 fish oil pills and a vitamin C pill. I had a physical recently and my blood pressure was low - so the doctor said stop the medication and see what happens. I'm now off the blood pressure medication a week and tonight me blood pressure was 117 over 72 - which is great! Maybe I'm onto something here. .........
    So maybe it's the fish oil keeping your BP low?
    What's the price on that Resveratrol stuff?
    I have "high normal" BP (in the area of 140/85), not enough to DQ me but high enough to make me worry every 2 years at medical time. I wouldn't mind finding an off-the-shelf and/or (dare I say it) holistic or naturopathic way to lower the BP or at least keep it from going up any.

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    Cliff,

    If I could get personal here - how is your overall health - physical condition, age bracket, family history of BP.

    I am low 40's age, overweight by 20lbs, and have a family history, so I am on HCTZ - 12.5 mg granny dose. You would think that I was going to die tomorrow with what I had to go through to get my medical last year.

    Your findings are very interesting. Congrats with the results.

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    Hotrod

    I wouldn't mind finding an off-the-shelf and/or (dare I say it) holistic or naturopathic way to lower the BP or at least keep it from going up any.
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    http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/blood_pressure.html

    1 to 2 Tablespoons of APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH MOTHER in a glass of water 2 to 3 times daily.

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    A friend of mine tells me that hawthorne berry extract is also a holistic BP fix.
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    I checked out the link, what is "mother"- something you add to the apple juice vinegar?
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    Exercising regularly also helps.

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    After five years on blood pressure meds, I an off everything and off cholesterol meds also. secret? I got a new dog! Well, not just the dog but I decided that a young Alaskan Malamute must be walked. So, every morning and every evening we walk. And I mean EVERY day. After walking over 1000 miles in the past year, fish oil twice a day (one capsule for each dog in the morning and evening and two for me each time also) and I am down 50 lbs and off everything. I still need to loose more weight but all eating habits have changed along with the walking. My regular doctor did my normal yearly physical than the next day the same doctor did my FAA medical. This way, my insurance paid for tests needed for the FAA also. The doctor simply stated that I was no longer on any medication as pressure was being controlled by diet and exercise resulting in the weight loss. The only problem with this is my dog is such a NAG! She will not let me say no regardless of weather, or anything else; we walk! Also, make sure if you are taking the same fish oil as your dogs that you don't put the heart worm or other dog meds on the same shelf as the fish oil.

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    FAA medicals and high blood pressure

    Good for you, Marty. My late father-in-law, a distinguished surgeon and professor of clinical surgery, told me nearly 60 years ago that fat will kill you faster than a bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty57
    Also, make sure if you are taking the same fish oil as your dogs that you don't put the heart worm or other dog meds on the same shelf as the fish oil.

    Marty
    Marty, to funny, when I got married, my mother- in- law volunteered some advice, she said " don't keep the Ben Gay and the KY jelly on the same nightstand "

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdriver2
    Quote Originally Posted by Marty57
    Also, make sure if you are taking the same fish oil as your dogs that you don't put the heart worm or other dog meds on the same shelf as the fish oil.

    Marty
    Marty, to funny, when I got married, my mother- in- law volunteered some advice, she said " don't keep the Ben Gay and the KY jelly on the same nightstand "

    Glenn

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    Don't eat anything with a face! Guaranteed to fix your heart
    Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, by Caldwell B. Esselstyn Jr. MD.


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    Tim, nope I'm not going to say it

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    OK, there is anecdotal evidence that red wine may prevent heart disease, but it is not proven in a prospective randomized study that resveratrol prevents heart disease.
    It is proven that obesity contributes to heart disease, that it contributes to hypertension, that it contributes to dyslipidemias...and that these conditions make up the so-called "metabolic syndrome". The most common problem the aviatiors have when I perform flight physicals is hypertension, and for the most part this is accompanied by obesity. The FAA is concerned because hypertension is associated with sudden death, and the administrators at the FAA don't want to have their name on something that was predicted to be a problem.

    Hypertension has a definite genetic diathesis, as do dyslipidemias. So if you have the genetic predisposition, you have a problem. However, if you have no genetic predisposition it makes sense that minimizing factors which might contribute to hypertension would help...like keeping your weight down (body mass index <30, preferably <25>30) you need to lose weight (or gain height and consider taking this resveratrol stuff till you get healthy.

    ...and don't keep Ben Gay in the same cabinet with KY Jelly

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    OK, there is anecdotal evidence that red wine may prevent heart disease, but it is not proven in a prospective randomized study that resveratrol prevents heart disease.
    It is proven that obesity contributes to heart disease, that it contributes to hypertension, that it contributes to dyslipidemias...and that these conditions make up the so-called "metabolic syndrome". The most common problem the aviatiors have when I perform flight physicals is hypertension, and for the most part this is accompanied by obesity. The FAA is concerned because hypertension is associated with sudden death, and the administrators at the FAA don't want to have their name on something that was predicted to be a problem.

    Hypertension has a definite genetic diathesis, as do dyslipidemias. So if you have the genetic predisposition, you have a problem. However, if you have no genetic predisposition it makes sense that minimizing factors which might contribute to hypertension would help...like keeping your weight down (body mass index <30, preferably <25>30) you need to lose weight (or gain height and consider taking this resveratrol stuff till you get healthy.

    ...and don't keep Ben Gay in the same cabinet with KY Jelly

    rsc

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    Quote Originally Posted by benflyn
    Hotrod

    I wouldn't mind finding an off-the-shelf and/or (dare I say it) holistic or naturopathic way to lower the BP or at least keep it from going up any.
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    http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/blood_pressure.html

    1 to 2 Tablespoons of APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH MOTHER in a glass of water 2 to 3 times daily.

    holly cr4p!!

    after first day of this apple cider vinegar...... I went from 165/105 to 132/88 3 times checking... then late night of 106/68 !!!! not sure if my toes will fall of and my left arm will rot away but... wow!! those are way lower than my consistent 150+/100+ numbers......

    taste like drinking battery acid..... but hmmmmmmm.....

    steves going to need to add a health & witchcraft section soon.....

    BTW what the heck is mother???

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    Mike,,

    LMAO,,, I thought the same thing,,,, what the heck is mother?

    SO I looked it up and it seems to be the unfiltered squeezed out apple stuff,,, kinda like backwash floaties... supposed to have the best "medicine" value..

    I guess you could filter it through your teeth... what made it through you could drink... if is sticks,,, chew it up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE
    Mike,,

    LMAO,,, I thought the same thing,,,, what the heck is mother?

    SO I looked it up and it seems to be the unfiltered squeezed out apple stuff,,, kinda like backwash floaties... supposed to have the best "medicine" value..

    I guess you could filter it through your teeth... what made it through you could drink... if is sticks,,, chew it up....
    ewww....
    "Mother of vinegar" is a term used to refer to the mass of scum that forms on top of cider when alcohol turns into vinegar, or to the cloudy substance that sometimes develops in stored vinegar. It is actually bacteria and yeast cells that have died.

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    RE: Resveratrol
    several people have asked for links about what I'm taking - it's a total of 500 mg's - below are links for what i've been taking. i've been taking two pills however they are only 250 mg's each. I now have several people trying this out -i'm eager to see if it works for anyone else?

    http://megaresveratrol.com/capsule.html

    500 mg’s.

    http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp...67637&y=9&x=20

    Biotivia Transmax Resveratrol 500 mg 429702

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    So much for this being a bashing discussion, it is something we all do or will need!

    Take a look at wild blue berries and wild blue huckleberries and their benefits.

    Makes me want to go pick some more!
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    Last weekend I started a regime of taking apple cider vinegar twice a day: 2 tablespoons full in an 8 oz glass of water. Foul tasting stuff! Added some lime juice to cover the taste, & reduced the water by about half to make it just that much less to choke down. I take the other half of the water as a chaser. Thinking about trying it straight, with salt & lime like a tequila shooter.
    Gonna give this routine a week before I check my BP. As bad as it tastes, I sure hope it's good for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod150
    Last weekend I started a regime of taking apple cider vinegar twice a day: 2 tablespoons full in an 8 oz glass of water. Foul tasting stuff! Added some lime juice to cover the taste, & reduced the water by about half to make it just that much less to choke down. I take the other half of the water as a chaser. Thinking about trying it straight, with salt & lime like a tequila shooter.
    Gonna give this routine a week before I check my BP. As bad as it tastes, I sure hope it's good for me.

    Eric
    its very aromatic(?) keep it away from face, and breath in, then move in and drink it... 1000 times more bearable.....

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    Apple cider vinegar and honey is the standard remedy...look up a book called "Vermont Folk Medicine" by a Dr. Jarvis....the vinegar gives you a big shot of potassium, which causes you to dump water from your blood, this immediately lowers your blood pressure. It's used for 'arthritis', which often means 'reactive arthritis' caused by a urinary tract infection. The acidity of the vinegar (acetic acid) kills all the bacteria in your urinary tract, and the 'arthritis' goes away.(cranberry juice doesn't cut it) Good for when you run out of colloidal silver. I like to take a big toke of vinegar when I eat something that tastes a little 'off' at the picnic...the acetic acid kills the bugs that are about to give you food poisoning...
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    I'm now off the blood pressure medication a week and tonight me blood pressure was 117 over 72 - which is great! Maybe I'm onto something here.
    Cliff,

    A week isn't long enough. The effects of blood pressure medications could last another 6-8 weeks. Post us a week's worth of X6 daily BP measurements in three months and we can decide then.

    I'm a primary care physician when I'm not cub-flying.

    Best,

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    Blueberries, raspberries, and walnuts....contains ellagic tannins, which are converted in your gut to ellagic acid. The ellagic acid takes a cancer cell, at least a p53 gene cancer, (not so good on sarcomas) and converts it back to a normal cell, reactivating the mitochondria and causing the apoptosis process(cellular suicide) to be enabled. So, only infected cells die....DCA(DiChloroAcetate)(a metabolic drug) does basically the same thing, but is not approved for cancer....one of the oldest nutritional studies ever done was the discovery that people who "snack on nuts" have 1/7 the cancer of those who don't....
    just about every dark or red berry has a fair amount.
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    I think I shall step outside and pick some berries to add to my breakfast today, I don't even need shoes!
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    New recipe for apple cider vinegar treatment: 2 tblspns in a shotglass (about half full), a squirt of lime juice, top off with water, swirl it then drink 'er down without breathing the fumes, and chase with a glass of water. Not nearly as repugnant this way as a full glass of water with ACV in it.
    I'm headed to the BP machine at the grocery store today to see what about 6 days of drinking this elixir has done for me.

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    Don't look now, but it dissolves the enamel on your teeth....

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    That vinegar shot may be bearable if followed up w/ a tequila chaser.

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    Modified regime to a half-shot of ACV with a water back. Checked my BP a couple times at the grocery store machine, it's kind of all over the place so don't know if that ACV bit is helping or not. A friend of mine swears by fish oil pills for BP control so I'll add that to the mix and see if I can tell a difference.

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    Update:
    August 12, I stopped taking BP meds. Tonight my BP is 120/72 which is fantastic!!! So there is definately no residual BP medication in my system now. I'm sold on this Resveratrol stuff big time.
    www.megaresveratrol.com- two of these pills
    3 fish oil pills and 1 vitamin C pill is what i'm taking.


    I look forward to other reports form others who contacted me and said they would try this.
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    YEOW....pricey! Has anyone shopped around for these things yet?
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    I noticed you said you take one vitamin C pill per day. Just to climb up on my soap box, I ought to mention that vit C only stays in your blood stream about 12 hours, so you should dose twice per day. In human dosage terms, animals that still have an undamaged gene that makes vit C from blood sugar produce about six grams (6,000 mg) per day when well. 35,000 mg per day when under attack from a virus. After years of experimenting, I've decided that six grams per day makes me mostly immune from viruses, and eight grams per day even more so. There is a timing window that lasts a few hours in the beginning of a flu or cold virus attack that enables you to defeat the virus by taking a 35,000 mg dose and then going to bed. I've successfully used that tactic numerous times. The only time it's failed is when the virus snuck up on me with few symptoms, and that never happened with flu.
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    Apple cider vinegar with mother (Bragg brand) in a cup of hot water with a rounded teaspoon of honey is not that bad. Taken before bed is also a sure fire cure for acid reflux. Staying away from greasy or spicy foods and chocolate in the evening will also help.

    Didn't know apple cider vinegar was good for high blood pressure or arthritis, learn something new everyday.

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    Started taking Resveretol , Fish oil and Vitimin C about 1 month ago.
    Have not had BP checked yet But I am down to 238 from 260 pounds and was at 236 at some point. Hope to keep losing as that alone should help with BP and it has gotten a little easier to jump in the Cub already! As far as the weight loss I also gave up Coffee and Soda so It is no surprise I am having good results! I know I changed too much at one time for any controlled Study but I Like the results anyway.

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    Took my first shot of ACV this morn - will report back.

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    Any Updates?

    I was following this thread last time it popped up. I'm curious if those who adopted the regime have had any success. I really want to get off the meds.

    Best,
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    Resveratrol?

    At over $5 a day, this stuff is pretty darned expensive, especially as a trial. Anyone out there know of a less expensive brand?

    Mike

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