Too bad I don't have pictures from a couple of weeks ago of us putting a full-size Yamaha 4 wheeler into a 206.
Stewart
Too bad I don't have pictures from a couple of weeks ago of us putting a full-size Yamaha 4 wheeler into a 206.
Stewart
no lumber rack on the -12?
You of all people have to ask???? Besides, where would I have put the cast iron outdoor fireplace that's in that box?
I'm holding out for the Firmin pod!
I heard a guy on the radio Friday night heading to Rainy Pass with a 4 wheeler strapped on his 180's float struts. I'd have liked to see that. Maybe this thread will inspire some photo posts of some good loads. Airplanes aren't just for fetching Saturday afternoon hamburgers, after all!
Stewart
oh, just figured since I have one hanging here for this 12 project.... thought yours didn't....Originally Posted by StewartB
speaking of a Fermin pod, does the new guy have any plans for a 12 pod, know he picked up the -12 mold plug from Firman's place on Flathorn a few years ago.... but...?? would be nice to weld tabs on now......
I am not a very skilled wagon pilot, but those who are seem to be able to operate in and out of places most cubs do easily. The more time i get in these skywagons, the more i appreciate them. All other planes i have owned besides cubs and wagons i was only more and more disappointed in their performance. With thes 2 planes i am constantly gaining respect for their abilites that come with greater experience.
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
Mike,
Read my post about halfway down this thread.
http://www.supercub.org/phpbb2/viewt...ghlight=firmin
Phil,
I like chatting with guys who own and/or regularly fly Cessnas and Cubs. Their preference and proficiency tends to favor whichever they had first. That's certainly true in my case. I'm a Cessna pilot who owns a PA-12.
Stewart
Phil, you sell yourself way short. I've seen you operate that skywagon right along with the cubs.
sj
"Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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I have a 185 and a j-3 85hp with big tires, I think stewart is correct since i had the j-3 first i am more comfortable in it, 185 is a great plane for it's mission but it's taking me a while to really feel proficient(not flying a lot doesn't help any) Both airplanes are different birds when light vs at gross wt (3600 in the 185)
Yeah, Phil, first time I saw you blast out of your strip I was some impressed....
My buddy just sold his Tango Cub and is replacing it with a Wagon. Not that he doesn't like Cubs. Seems he has this woman he's in love with out in the Midwest so he has to have something faster to commute to see her in.
So, looks like I'll be getting some Wagon time, too. Should be fun.
Thanks guys, but you certainly have caught me on some of my better days. I also have many days when i embarass myself showing up at twitchells and other airports. Stewart, i went the other way, cubs to skywagons. It has been a learning experience for sure. I had flown many nose wheel cessnas , but the skywagons are a totally different animal. Sometimes i have had a bad impression of an airplane when i only had a few hours in them. Now i try to fly them at least 10 hours before making a decision. In fact i did'nt like supercubs at first. Once i had some time and got to go up and practice slow flight, i really became a big fan.
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
A few years ago, a fellow related as to how he watched some guys fly a brand new Caterpillar D-4 to Mexico in a 206! Well, not in one trip. It seems they took a cutting torch to the thing on the ramp in El Paso. After dissecting it into manageable pieces, they flew it to a ranch in Mexico (don't know how many trips), and welded it back together. Apparently, the import duty justified it.
Volunteer, in charge of Political Correctness
I could go on about these, but in another time and space I will
Well, let me know when you do - I may find myself flying in one of these someday, and so far the only instructor I know of is Burl Rogers. Hook me up with somebody really good near Anchorage. I have very little enthusiasm for a self-checkout in the Helio.
hhhmmm... . whats up with the rope and tail wheel sideways?I could go on about these, but in another time and space I will
Shouldn't there be two front cables per ski? Attached all the way forward at the tip?
Pretty plane. I came close once.
Stewart
The rope is to put over your shoulder and pull the beast around. Many here do the same with their Stinson 108's.
Good choice my friend, you do not fly a Helio like any other airplane and you don't fly any other airplane like a Helio. Once you establish that you are good to go!!
A good friend in Erie, Co has a nice H-295 with all the fixins and he is also an instructor pilot with United Airlines. He will teach you well young skywalker!!
If you would like additional info on Helio's I have it here
http://sloflight.ning.com/
C'mon over and add your input, insight, and what have you
I've heard tales from the horses mouth, with several people to confirm it, that there's a gentleman that lives on a beautiful lake somewhere between Anchorage and Illiamna that has been known to strap additional pieces of winter traveling machinery to the side of his Super Cub on skis. I'm sure there's a picture or two around somewhere.
R.D.
The great Don Sheldon strapped frozen mountain climbers on the struts of his Super cub off Mt. McKinley............
Crosswind: Thanks. I have been alerted. When I was younger and stupider, I did a lot of self-checkouts. When the time comes (when winter weather breaks for a flight south) I will contact your buddy. Your link is in my favorites, and I will be forwarding it to the owner.
I started out 25 years ago in a PA-12. Then I bought my first Cub in 1988, a '55 model, and flew it hundreds of hours a year. Then in 1995 I bought a '56 180. Took a little gettin' used to, but boy do I love that 180. Shoot, it cruises at 150 mph, and hauls a load. I regularly take out the right seat, and load 12 foot lumber stacked two feet high, and fly into my remote cabin in the Brooks Range. But when it comes to gravel bars and sheep hunting, I love the Cub. If I could only have one plane, it would be a Cub. Just finished a total restoration on the old 12, and hope to get it on Edo 2000's next spring. Guess I love old airplanes and old women! Don't tell my wife of 38 years!
Bushflyer
Atta boy. On all counts. Here's to 180s, PA-12s, and life-long wives that put up with them!
Stewart
Amen to that! I've been getting some yoke time in pops 180 and loving it. We went partners on another 180 and it should be here in a couple weeks. The American dream, a 12 and a 180 in everyone's hangar.Atta boy. On all counts. Here's to 180s, PA-12s, and life-long wives that put up with them!
Stewart
Joe
I don't have the same combination of planes, but close. As far as the wives that put up with them i am luckier than most. She loves bush planes. She helps me change oil, clean the planes, work on the hangar, mow the strip. and will use her hard earned money for fuel and to pay the insurance. A few years ago was thinking about selling one of them, she nagged at me till i came to my senses. She is pushing for a third again. I guess some of us are luckier than others. http://www.supercub.org/photopost/sh...cat=&ppuser=66Amen to that! I've been getting some yoke time in pops 180 and loving it. We went partners on another 180 and it should be here in a couple weeks. The American dream, a 12 and a 180 in everyone's hangar.Atta boy. On all counts. Here's to 180s, PA-12s, and life-long wives that put up with them!
Stewart
Joe
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
Still considering a Helio?
Stewart
Stewar, i always wanted one. I have some hours in a few different ones all h-295"s . Up until this point i do not see any advantage over the 180"s and 185"s, at least good ones. The climbing spiral turns are the only impressive thing i like. Most people have probably not seen a real good 180 or a 185, but i really beleive they could follow a helio anywhere. The old helio videos with 30 mph winds really dont translate to what i have seen thus far. Add in the parts availability and insurance prices, and that has made me think twice. They are a nice plane , but to me thus far, their reputation is better than their performance.
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
A Twin Bee will easily outperform a Helio on amphib floats on land and water. Trouble is they only built 23 of them and about half of those are gone.
N1PA
I forgot to add another helio feature that is great in some ways. The tail is real heavy and if you land a little fast you can lock the brakes up. You dont get that nose over sensation like a lightly loaded skywagon would have. The tail weight is not always an advantage though. A local ww2 pilot that had one here some years ago sold his because of that heavy tail. He got stuck on some tight turning strips, he said you would need a d-6 to get it out. He sold it and bought a new skywagon 180 and pponked the engine. He gave it to his son a few years ago and it had about 170 hours on it. He stored it in a heated hangar so it was a beauty. He could really fly both planes, but liked the skywagon better. I would say helios perform better than most wagons, but with a good pilot and correctly speced plane, the wagon is right with it. Skywagon 8a, i have seen the twin bee at greenville suck up the helio super courier more than once. One day some guys were talking about helios taking off across the runway , they were saying to the old ww2 pilot do you miss doing that. He shrugged his shoulder got in his 180 , pointed it across the runway and blasted off. His eyesight is bad and he is slow to get around, but what a pilot. I feel priviledged when he stops at my strip and i get to hear him telling me about his trips pulling gliders on the night before d-day. Not too many left. Because of him, i always wanted a helio. Because off him, he has talked me out of one. He is a no bullshit guy, just the opposite of me.
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
pzinck I was the person flying the Twin Bee you saw At Greenville. I have never been beat in a takeoff contest with a Twin Bee.
N1PA
How about a 180 with Texas Skyways 550 conversion. Sounds like it might be great on floats. Anyone have any experience with one?
What's a Twin Bee? Got a pic?
Nimpo Lake Logan... boonie SuperCubber
200mi (300km) from nearest stoplight... just right! - "Que hesitatus fornicatus est"
^ A twin sea bee. a Flying pontoon.
I had to look it up the other day. http://www.republicseabee.com/UC1.html
Steve Pierce
"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."
Henry Ford
Use to be A Twin Bee flying out of Hyannis MA alot 20 years ago when I was there. Might of even been the one in Steves link. Took off really short on land also.
The guy that was my SES examiner had a twin bee on Havasu or Mead, Joe Laplaca, I think was his name. He was a pretty cool cat, and did MES training in it and I always meant to go and train with him but never got to itNow I understand he has retired
I wonder if anyone knows what happened to his bee and if someone else took over? I hear Shebles is doing MES in a Beech 18, but the cost (from feeding 2 985s) is not that appealing, for what would amount to a "just because" rating
What's a Twin Bee good for? It doesn't look like it'll hold much and the reported single engine performance isn't very good. Why bother? Besides, I'd expect a twin engine mutation of a single engine plane to perform well in a contest. I just don't understand why a twin would be considered in the same competition as a single. If there isn't a level playing field in the STOL contest a guy may as well show up in a helicopter. Even the single engine variants take off pretty short.
Ground Loop, there's a mid-50's 180 with a Bonaire IO-550 on floats at Hood. I've talked to one of the former owners. He went back to a Cub. I've spent time in a mid-50's 180 with an IO-520. I can't recognize any performance difference between it and my Pponk'd mid 70's airplane.
SB
Stewart B,
Thanks, I just saw it for sale on Craigslist. I think I'll hold out for the Heliocourrier.
I saw a great performing helio get beat by a big engine lake years ago. It was not an indication of which was better performing though. They dropped the flag and the lake accelerated like a speed boat chewed up way more water and got up. The helio lumbered on the step in a short distance and then got off. A friend was bragging about the lake beating the helio, but really the helio was amazingly short in it's takeoff run. Like i said the helio may be the best of the 4 to 6 seat birds, i just havent seen it yet. For years i saw supercubs flown, and never thought they performed that much better. Some years ago i started seeing some amazing pilots with supercubs and i was amazed. Same as 180/185's. I watch lot's of takeoffs with them and you could assume they don't perform as good as a few guys eek out of them.
Remember , the light at the end of the tunnel may be you .O wind of heaven by thy might save all who dare the eagles flight, and keep them by thy watchful care from every peril in the air.
It is true that with one engine out the Twin Bee doesn't climb very well, however a Helio or any other single engine plane, with one engine out doesn't climb very well either. A twin Bee will carry 5 adults or lots of cargo easily. The use full load on a light plane is 1200 pounds. It has a tough hull which works well in rough water. VMC is 58 mph at max gross. Cruise is 115 mph indicated trues out at about 140 at altitude. It is basically a highly modified Seabee with increased wingspan of 68" and the fuselage is stretched at the step by 3'. It is still a flying boat which clearly doesn't do as well in the bush as a float plane. It is superb in short ponds and fields.
I'll bet that a 180 with the Texas Skyway 550 is great. I have a Texas Skyway 550 conversion in my 185. I love it! It is the best engine combination that I have had in the 185. Before I changed to the 550 I had a Turbo inter cooled 520 which was great, but the 550 is better at sea level. The 550 is faster, smoother, quieter and burns less fuel. About a gallon and a half less per hour.
The Twin Bee that was in Hyannis went to Switzerland where it was destroyed in a wind storm.
I don't think that you could put over sized tires on the Twin Bee so the Helio will win on that count.
N1PA
Sky,
Does your 550 have the fancy Gama injectors to save fuel burn? What does it burn?
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