teeweed said:Providing no other unforeseen obstacles, with two guys working full time. What should I expect for material cost and time frame? thanks teeweed
Steve Pierce said:Christina, That comes out to around 640 hours if you figure a 40 hour work week for 16 weeks. That is fast. Can you tell us what all was done. I try to see how efficient I am compared to other mechanics. I know it is a big help if the owner gets all the parts. It is a big time burner looking up parts and trying to get them all on time. Sounds like you will have a great trip to AK this year in a new SC.
Christina Young said:My L-21B is almost done with complete rebuild.
I read on this site some posts before that it takes 8 months to a year to rebuild a cub, but I no longer believe it. I think that's just if the person doing it is inexperienced or lazy or not really working on it very much. Mine will be done in about 4 months with breaks for holidays and with my rebuild mechanic working on a couple of other projects at the same time (including a complete J-3 rebuild too).
citabrickr said:Christina Young said:My L-21B is almost done with complete rebuild.
I read on this site some posts before that it takes 8 months to a year to rebuild a cub, but I no longer believe it. I think that's just if the person doing it is inexperienced or lazy or not really working on it very much. Mine will be done in about 4 months with breaks for holidays and with my rebuild mechanic working on a couple of other projects at the same time (including a complete J-3 rebuild too).
Your airplane is being recovered, not restored, very different story. Not accurate to call it a "complete rebuild" at all. Sheet metal never removed or painted, cockpit interior not refurbished, floor not removed, panel not removed, no engine area work, no blasting of the fuselage, gear legs not recovered. For what was done the timeframe is normal.
Steve Pierce said:So it sounds like your Cub wasn't completely rebuilt in 4 months like your first post said. I took your remark as a slam to the people who rebuild Cubs and give away their intellectual property. A rebuild to me is a complete rebuild. All the steel comes out of the wings, gets blasted, epoxy primed and top coated. Fuselage gets blasted, repaired, epoxy primed and top coated. Ailerons and flaps get the steel fittings removed, blasted, primed and painted. Tail feathers etc. I do these things because I have seen what is hidden. No problem with how your airplane was redone just how it was presented in your first post. I would call it an IRAN personally. Inspect, repair as necessary. Apples to apples not apples to oranges.
I read on this site some posts before that it takes 8 months to a year to rebuild a cub, but I no longer believe it. I think that's just if the person doing it is inexperienced or lazy or not really working on it very much. Mine will be done in about 4 months with breaks for holidays and with my rebuild mechanic working on a couple of other projects at the same time (including a complete J-3 rebuild too).
Steve Pierce wrote:
I would like to see it but Texas is a long way from NJ.
Would be nice to put something on the site. I bet it wouldn't have been as memorable an experience without SC.org.
Christina Young wrote:
I already have put a few pictures from the trip on the site, you can look under my name and see them. Maybe I'll put a few more sometime when I get a chance.
But I don't understand why you guys want me to post my presentation - my intellectual property into which I put my time and effort - for free. If I choose to give presentations for free (like the one this weekend) or for a speaking fee, or choose to post it, well that's my perogative. But you shouldn't feel that you're entitled to it.
Steve Pierce said:I took the "Intellectual Property" quote from you.
Steve Pierce wrote:
I would like to see it but Texas is a long way from NJ.
Would be nice to put something on the site. I bet it wouldn't have been as memorable an experience without SC.org.
Christina Young wrote:
I already have put a few pictures from the trip on the site, you can look under my name and see them. Maybe I'll put a few more sometime when I get a chance.
But I don't understand why you guys want me to post my presentation - my intellectual property into which I put my time and effort - for free. If I choose to give presentations for free (like the one this weekend) or for a speaking fee, or choose to post it, well that's my perogative. But you shouldn't feel that you're entitled to it.
Didn't feel entitled, just thought it would be nice to see a small piece of it. Like I said I think the sharing is what makes supercub.org so great.
Christina Young said:When I posted in this thread, I wrote about what myself and probably most people would consider a rebuild. I could make the argument by using your criteria that it's not a total rebuild unless only the dataplate is the same. Everything else is just bolt-on, order it and put it together. In that case, a total rebuild shouldn't take very long at all.
citabrickr said:Christina, you are missing the point as to what "most" people consider a "complete rebuild". All of the items Steve mentioned are normal to most people. Uncovering a fuselage that has had fabric on it for over 30 years and not blasting, inspecting, epoxy priming it is..well, an odd short cut to take for the sake of speed. That can't be done with the interior in, panel installed and boot cowl still on. If you are happy with the outcome then that is all that matters, but other than the mods and minor repairs you mentioned all that has been achieved is new fabric and paint on that fabric. My concern was that the wing hardware be addressed, that was more important than anything else, especially cosmetics.
Christina Young said:John, if you are going to quote figures like this, please make sure what you are saying is correct first. First of all, it hasn't been 30 years. It was last rebuilt in 1988, which you know.
Christina Young said:It was indeed given a thorough inspection and was epoxy primed. It didn't need to be blasted or jigged.
Christina Young said:But then again you could have stopped in the hangar next door any time you wanted to see what work needed to be done and that this work was being done.
Christina Young said:Bob did NOT take any "short cuts". I believe that this comment in particular is just sour grapes. I offered this job to you before anyone else. I got a less than enthusiastic response from you. I'm glad that at least you were straightforward about that.
Christina Young said:As I said, I indeed lucked out with the fuselage. It didn't need any major repairs.
12 Geezer said:After over 20 years self-employed, I know it's sometimes prudent to present as less than enthusiastic to some would-be customers.
Christina Young said:I read on this site some posts before that it takes 8 months to a year to rebuild a cub, but I no longer believe it. I think that's just if the person doing it is inexperienced or lazy or not really working on it very much.