Can't really remember but seems like about 2375 with both, but was reading my cub club newsletter and they were talking about having a 65 intake spider on instead of the 75-0-200 and low and behold I had the 65. since then have changed intake, carburetors, and done a few more mods and it really woke up a smart airplane. Love the 7440 so much I haven't even tried the 7144 for a couple of years now but feel like I could use more prop now. turning 2475 -2500 on climb out and have to throttle back to about 1/2 in level flight. getting off in about 150'-170' when light. we'll see if I can finally beat the T-crafts in Greenville this fall. pretty hard when you give them a 40-50 pound pilot advantage and they are some great seaplane pilots.