Fuelling step

[flyer46]

Where to purchase???

[Scooter7779h]

Attlee Dodge of course..... He has the little fueling steps, or the longer one for entrty side. See them at http://www.fadodge.com/products1.html

I think Stoddards stocks them and probably a few others.

[flyer46]

THANKS SCOOTER!!

[Crash]

If your gear is stripped or needing paint, I'd cut the clamp off and TIG weld the step right to the gear. Crash

[flyer46]

THANKS, CRASH.

[T.J.]

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[Crash]

I wonder how Cub Crafters gets by with it on all of their gear? Crash

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[T.J.]

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[flyer46]

THANKS GUYS, FOR THE INFO. PROBABLY TOO MUCH TROUBLE FOR MY PURPOSES. WAS LOOKING FOR A DEVICE THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE FRONT SEAT OF THE CUB. AND ONE THAT I CAN TAKE WITH ME ON TRIPS.

ANY SUGGESTIONS?

[Crash]

Atlee Dodge "long step". Crash

[flyer46]

Crash,

Thanks, will order one.

[Dave Calkins]

Flyer46, definitely go with the "long step".

For you guys that have the little clamp-on deal, be careful. The thing can bend just above the clamp weld and then break.....I've had multiples do this. Maybe There was a bad production run of these. Or soft metal. And I weigh about 185 pounds.

[flyer46]

MUCH OBLIGED!!

[AkPA/18]

Don't forget that the Bushwheel 31's make a pretty good fuel step.

Mark

[Flying Miss Daisy]

Purchased the long steps from FAT LEE DODGE. They show up with white powder coat paint with a teflon encased bolt on. Looks great and is a great fuel step if put on both sides. John

[flyer46]

AKPA/18,

WHAT IS INVOLVED IN PUTTING 31" BUSH WHEELS ON A STOCK PIPER FACTORY CUB? WHAT OTHER ITEMS MUST BE PURCHASED? AXELS, ETC?

I HAVE 3" INCH EXTENDED GEAR AND 850 GOODYEARS, FLY OFF GRASS STRIP. NO OFF AIRPORT OPERATIONS.(ANTICIPATED).

WOULD THE FUEL STEP PROVIDE A SHORTER STEP GETTING IN AND OUT, COMPARED TO THE BUSH WHEELS?

[flyer46]

FLYING MISS DAISY,

THANKS FOR THE INFO ON THE BOLT ON STEPS. IS THE ONE ON THE ENTRY SIDE HELPFUL IF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE COCKPIT?

[Flying Miss Daisy]

I have tried the short step on a Super Cub down at Andover Flight and found it a lot easier to get into the front seat using the long step. The opposite side just balances the look but is a great refueling step. You will find your unknowing passengers love the long step as something to put both feet on while trying to figure out how to get in the rear seat. John

[Flying Miss Daisy]

I have the 26" Goodyears and find that these are great off and on asphalt tires without the expense of the Bush wheels. They will fit on the 3" extended and allow for the Borer prop. Give a call up to Reeves Airmotive in AK and ask for Dan or Jennifer. I just purchased my Goodyear's through them and they were a whole lot nicer than CC and Fat Lee Dodge. Like I have heard We have the expierence of F A Dodge without the GRUFF and the parts of Cub Crafters without the arrogance. Call Dan it is worth the extra shipping cost. John

[PA12driver]

John to quote you!

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I have the 26" Goodyears and find that these are great off and on asphalt tires without the expense of the Bush wheels. They will fit on the 3" extended and allow for the Borer prop. Give a call up to Reeves Airmotive in AK and ask for Dan or Jennifer. I just purchased my Goodyear's through them and they were a whole lot nicer than CC and Fat Lee Dodge. Like I have heard We have the expierence of F A Dodge without the GRUFF and the parts of Cub Crafters without the arrogance. Call Dan it is worth the extra shipping cost.

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John, I am sorry your experience with buying cub parts from either Attlee or JR was not up to your Southern expectation. But frankly I think your comments are pretty nieve and tasteless. I have personally grown up with Attlee, and Dan, and at least a dozen other Alaskans that are responsible for there being any cub parts of "bush tested" value available today! I don't know you personally but perhaps you will be better served to tell us of your Personal qualifications with a cub? The topic of what step to use, where to get it is certainly covered well by those that posted before you chimed in with your hurang!! Frankly I would like to see this kind of posting limited to the Rant and Rave section???


Those of us that have been around awhile, have actual experience using a cub in areas other then a gravel road, or asphalt jungle, can perhaps offer you some valuable information (that is if you are still open to "learning"??? The 26" goodyears have been talked about in many threads on the site--They have a place but it is not a 'bush tire', You are quite right about the long step (on the entry side) is a definite advantage for a passenger/ pilot for getting in and out of a cub. It is doubtful that any real bush pilot would bother to put on on the left side of a cub just to fuel the plane? As Crash said the little step on the gear leg serves that well (especially on skiis) on tires of at least 29" it isn't necessary.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh, but there is a close similarity to an Urban Cowboy and a City Cub driver, neither has much likeness to the real thing (quite likely guys like Atlee and Jim Richmond, Dan Hollingsworth, Charly Center, Holliday, TJ, Crash, MD and many other Builders from places like Idaho, Montana can tell the difference by a few minutes on the phone or by in the current times monitoring sites like this??

Good luck with your Cubbing in the Southern heat.

Tim

[AkPA/18]

Flyer---Heck I was just trying to give you an excuse to order up a set of those cool BW's. Sometimes that's all we need! Step would be a shorter distance.

Mark

[Flying Miss Daisy]

Ouch! I guess it hurts some people to have an opinion other than those that are much more experienced in the ways of the Alaskan Cub Pilot. I was able to look at the question and found that the Pilot is from Florida and was not overly concerned with gravel bar landing so his need of Bush Wheels was limited. The quote I provided was not mine but from a supplier who did me right. He was located in Alaska and had little use for some of his competition"s ways of doing business. I am all for Reeves Airmotive and Dan's personal touch. I am willing to pay the extra shipping to the much southern climate of Maine in the lower 48. I attached the long fuel step on the left gear for looks. I apologize if this extra $50.00 spent at FA Dodge is not in keeping with the utilitarian look you demand of the Alaskan SC but in "MY OPINION" I like the Look. So Sir with all due respect of a SC Rookie located in the lower 48 GO POUND SAND. John

[T.J.]

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[Flying Miss Daisy]

TJ I like FA Dodge when you go looking for a part or MOD. that you know what you are talking about. I find you will be put on the phone to an overworked single person who wants to help but has no time for the inexperienced. I am extremely happy with the parts I have received from them. You have to admit that the FA Dodge website is not the place to seek info when trying to perform a major mod. When converting my brakes wheels and 3" extended gear on my 56 PA18A I found no response from CC and FA dodge with several questions on e mail. I found Lee at Airframes Inc to be fantastic on the phone with plenty of time to spend with questions. When Lee had no answers on brakes and other parts he sent me to Dan at Reeves Airmotive. At that point and time I found them great to deal with. It does not take away fro Vera Liebert at CC who was great in finding STC"s on the 26" Goodyears I purchased at Reeves for less money. She has also helped me with a Borer prop on my SC without the proper paperwork. If I can afford it I would deal with the knowledgeable Vera in a heartbeat. I have purchased several parts from FA Dodge and for all intents and purposes found them to get me what I asked for. But I believe that there is a little more to just giving the customer the exact part he orders. A little assistance and personal touch is sometimes needed to a customer who does not possess the infinite knowledge of the product. So I apologize to all that defend the vendor as always right. It is with this type of criticsm that readers will remain mute, So Sir I go quiet on any subject. John

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[Erik]

John,

You are right that we should welcome differences of opinion. If we are open, that is a good way to learn. Now, on the other hand, you made a tasteless comment about a very respected man in the Cub flying community. It is not so much your difference of opinion that has brought harsh criticism but the manner in which you presented it.

Good luck, Erik

[T.J.]

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[Erik]

T.J.,

Are you trying to say that you hate the local transients? Confused

Erik

[Flying Miss Daisy]

TJ I have never spoken directly with Mr Dodge. I have dealt with others in his company and found them to be rushed due to work overload. I guess this is a good thing when you are trying to put as many products as possible into the marketplace. I repeat I take no issue with the products that FA Dodge has provided to me. I apologize to all if insult was taken to my comments about his company. I repeat only the words of his competitors that I felt was true at the time I was looking for answers on my project. I guess as a new comer in away it is my place to question the norm as this is an independent organization serving only the questions and the opinions of it's members. Since I speak of ignorance of the past maybe I expect the transfer of knowledge as provided in the manner of the late great Roger Borer. Knowledge and education must be passed on. I apologize to my elders and my betters for no insult was intended. John

[Erik]

Great John!

(Nobody beat on John for this anymore.) Note, I called FA Dodge maybe 5 times this last season for an air box rebuild and shoulder harness installation. I dealt with Steve on the first 4 calls and he WAS rushed. I could sense this and just tried to be as brief as possible so as not to irritate him.

Well, guess who I got on the 5th call? Mr. Dodge himself. I'm fairly new at this stuff too and had heard a lot about Mr. Dodge so I was a little intimidated and I didn't want to irritate him like I thought I was doing with Steve. It was the complete opposite experience than with Steve. Mr. Dodge was completely calm and put me at ease. He explained things in simple and practical ways. He listened to me and let me finish my questions and train of thoughts. I felt as if he was simply having a conversation with me on a park bench as we were waiting for the bus. He's a great guy.

Erik

[PA12driver]

John,

Please accept my opology, I have been pounding sand ever since I posted in reponse to you comments about a good friend, Like TJ said, sometimes guys like me speak before engaging the what is left of brain! I know that I don't, anymore fly nearly as good as some of my younger contemporaries do, it take persistant practice and we all start somewhere. I just managed to loose an $800 deposit from some customers, and looks like I must have mixed it in with the trash I burned. (damn I ain't never cleaning my office again) Guess the mood this put me in is the excuse I am sticking with for going off on ya earlier. Sounds like you are enjoyng the Cub and that is truly what it is all about! We all have people we likes and dislikes and ain't it great that we can still live in a country where we can agree to disagree!!

I am still trying to figure out how I am going to ask my customers to write me another check (cause I burned their first one)

Hope you make it over here to the left coast and Maine is one place I would love to visit as well,

Regards,

Tim

[Flying Miss Daisy]

Tim , Erik and TJ: If they are willing to teach I am willing to learn. I in the past 6 months have grown to love my Cub. I also own a 65 Comanche and I am part of the Comanche Society. We have the great fortune of having a technical advisor of Maurice and Bob Webber. These two gentlemen are always willing to help in any way to keep my Comanche airborne. As time wears on my old girl it is getting a little more difficult every day. But I know that knowledge is only a phone call or e mail away. This year I have transitioned my N956MD from a 10 year old restored 56 Float plane to putting her on 3" extended gear with the 26" Goodyear's. A few weeks back I got my first chance to land on a frozen lake in Northern Maine. What a rush!! So yes Tim my cub knowledge is much less than what Mr Dodge forgot during lunch and you are right I have no right to Question his manner. I am only looking for him to teach. Steve is a man of many hats and he simply does not have the time. So I was fortunate enough to find Dan at Reeves. He had the time and the general knowledge to help in my wheel and brake update. The website at Reeves and Airframes is lousy but the phone conversation was great. So I am a satisfied customer and I pass it on. I was provided personal non rushed service I did not find at the time at FA Dodge. That in no means takes away from the products I was able to purchase at Attlee when I knew what I was looking for. CC has Vera Liebert who has been with JR for years and is extremely competent and has answered all my e mails. This has resulted in purchasing STC'S from them and I am presently hunting down a inertia shoulder harness from them. So I have no reason to complain since I use all the resources available. By the way CC holds the STC on the 26ers. So please stop pounding sand and pass on your knowledge and experiences. My Regards John. PS wind is allot faster coming from your direction bring your shorts however our southern heat wave was -30*F this past Saturday morning. J

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[PA12driver]

John,

Cooler heads prevail (no pun intended -30) No I am not homesick for those temps. I remember cutting the paper oil can wrapper off of 30wt and squeezing it into the valve cover of my ol White Dump truck north of Livengood Alaska in the 60's (it was -68 with no wind!)

JR, Vera, Stan and the whole gang at CC work hard at what they do and deserve all our praise, Dan has worked the counter at Reeves for as long as I remember and his helper used to work at Robucks for years and know the business well. Heck most of us in Anchorage have spent hours in the old days rummaging through the old Reeves hanger gathering stuff we thought we might use? Some of my fondest memories are flying a cub on straight floats, step turning around a pot hole strirring up the water until we had enough nerve to pull her off. Nothing more enjoyable, then Grayling fishing off the floats or packing out a moose in a cub. You will enjoy the cub on wheels and the 3" ext gear is the way to go, The BW's will open up a whole new country to you when you are ready to make the change. Enjoy,

Tim

[Erik]

Tim,

Nobody should loss rightful funds because they lost a personal check. Just tell them the truth - that you somehow lost the check you were holding. They can cancel the check through their bank and write you a new one.

I know if I had written a check to someone who I knew I owed money to, and I could be sure that this check could be cancelled, I would not hesitate to write a new one. You may have to/want to pay their "stop payment" fee though ($20?).

The above is the world the way it's supposed to work. If it is a nasty customer, I bet you have legal rights too. A check is a piece of paper worth 1/20th of 1 penny if not cashed. So if you didn't cash it and a "stop payment" can be applied by the bank, that is all they gave you.

I hope it works out for you, Erik

[flyer46]

I DREAM OF BUSH WHEELS, THEY MUST BE GREAT -- DOES THE INSTALLATION REQUIRE THE PURCHASE OF OTHER LANDING GEAR HARDWARE??? HOW MUCH PAPERWORK?

WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT YOUR BACK COUNTRY TAKE OFFS AND LANDINGS USING BUSH WHEELS..

ARE THEY A CROSSWIND FACTOR?

[PA12driver]

Erik,

Not a problem with any of my customers, what flustrated me is that I couldn't find it, couldn't exactly recount my time. Heck at least I didn't loose the Mayo jar where the cub fund is stashed?

Today is a better day for sure!

Tim

[Broknbone]

My mechanic just informed me that my beloved fuel steps are not legal and that the federales would prefer that I hack them off and replace them with ugly bolt on ones. These were already on the gear when I bought the plane.

There's a few deleted posts that, based on their position in the thread, seem that they may have addressed this issue. Has anybody had to deal with this. Has anyone successfully obtain a field approval? Or maybe they should go for safety reasons?

[Steve Pierce]

I'd go for the field approval if the IA is a stickler. Can't see them effecting anything to do with the airworthiness of the plane.